This word imports a betraying, treachery, or breach of allegiance.
The Constitution of the United States, Art. III, defines treason against the United States to consist only in levying war against them, or in adhering to their enemies, giving them aid or comfort. This offense is punished with death. By the same article of the Constitution, no person shall be convicted of treason, unless on the testimony of two witnesses to the same overt act, or on confession in open court.
Does the Pala Tribe, or any tribe in the US have the right to put to death an members because of TREASON? Has the Robert Smith led council already committed treason against members of the general council?
To all disenrolled Natives from all tribes, one of our biggest enemies is Howard Dickstein and he needs to be taken out of the picture. It is time to inundate the California State Bar Association with complaint forms about the undue hardship that he has helped to cause us. I know his wife is on the board, but if enough complaints come in, she might not be able to stop them. Maybe they should be sent certified. Here are some links: one about him and the other is the link to the complaint form. You can look up his personal info for his address and number. http://www.sacbee.com/2012/01/22/4205410/sacramento-attorney-howard-dickstein.html#storylink=scinlineshare
Sacramento attorney Howard Dickstein has made tribes rich, comes under fire - The Sacramento Bee
Filing a Complaint
As long as he backs up these tribes, our fight is ignored. He is powerful and so is his wife. May God be on our side.
Looks like the walls are closing in and they know it. So how better to try and fight a losing battle. Try and use scare tactics to intimidate the general counsel to not stand up and speak your mind for fear of committing "treason" in the eye of the corrupt. Remember if your scared. Then they have you right where they want you. Don't be afraid of these evil doers. Indians are where they are now because of the fear they had to stand up and fight. If the b I a allows them to pass and ordinance like this. And backs it. This would be the biggest injustice on natives. Since the Indians were marched to Rez s. god help us all.
When I read this. It reminds me of king era style of ruling. "if you try to speak out against the king or take the kings vegetables from his garden you will be sent to the guillotine. ". Robert smith. You are NOT a king and you are NOT a ruler of a people. YOU do in fact work for us. In the best interest of US and if other members of this tribe can't see what you are doing. I would say shame on those people. YOU sir need to remember YOUR role.
I believe the EC IS a little scared....trying to shut up his flock? Will the current members let the EC get away with this? Let's hope and pray they do not allow it. Remember to stand up and fight for what is RiGHT and JUST...
Treason that means that they will be allowed a trial in court to prove they have committed treason weather it’s a military court or a federal court.
"Treason that means that they will be allowed a trial in court to prove they have committed treason weather it’s a military court or a federal court."
No they won't, they will be told that they committed treason by the powers that be, not given due process but they will be told they were given due process, and they will be convicted without proof of their offense and the U.S. government will say it is an eternal affair that they can't get involved in.
Even though tribes are supposed to be dependant sovereigns who get federal aid.
The U.S. can cut off their federal aid but they won't because frankly they don't care.
What are saying? Sue the United States for Treason?
Tribes can't be sued?
What are you saying?
No, I am saying that tribes who violate their citizens rights can have their federal aid cut off but the U.S. isn't likely to do so as, I said, they just don't care.
Do people realize that as dependant sovereigns federally recognized tribes get aid from the U.S. government even rich gaming tribes?
You can't sue tribes but you can sue individual people
I.e. Robert Smith, Leroy Miranda, Theresa Nieto!
Also Good luck getting re-elected Theresa, your the one in charge of PALA's finances and our finances are bad right now your gonna take the blame. More so Theresa Nieto should be scared of outside agencies looking in I.e. Feds , I.R.S, DOJ. their gonna be looking at the finance secretary which is you..and Robert Smith wont back u he will let h take the fall..YOUR A FALL GUY THERESA NIETO!! Don't u see that!!
First a packet of information that said/proved absolutely nothing and missing the RELEVANT information in regards to Margarita's father (Pelegrino Ortega) who was absolutely Cupan. Gee, now why would you leave something like that out intentionally?? Smoke and mirrors?
Now that the facts are out, and members of the tribe are starting to see through the BS of rs, why not rs attempt to put in place a treason ordinance to once again scare, intimidate, and keep people quiet?
rs and ec first committed a breach of allegiance against the United States of America by not conforming/adhering to the Federal Asbra Decision in 1989, then hid behind Pueblo vs. Martinez.
Now rs and ec will turn around and try to ENFORCE such a breach if Tribal Members agree with and speak out about the Federal Decision of 1989 (even if in support of family members and the United State's thorough and unbiased pre-casino investigation).
So..by outspokenly abiding by the Final 1989 Decision is treason against rs, theresa, leroy, dion, and company. Not agreeing with the 1989 decision (rs's puppets)is like mocking the Federal Government. Talk about enrolled members being caught in between a rock and a hard place--or under the spell of scare tactics,lies, and a dictatorship--on American Soil!
So this means "Pala" has committed "Treason" by their own acts against their own "Membership!" They can't pass this "Ordinance" when they are the ones "Comitting Treason!" Whose kidding who?...."Eagle Eyes."
Thanks SmokeyBear...I hope the rest of the members at Pala realize this and stand up for what is right...
People have to start realizing that it looks like no ones blood degree was lowered. There was no specific reason for disenrollment given. Still waiting on an explanation that makes sense.
If no one had their blood degree lowered why are these people disenrolled?
What reason was there to open their enrollment information packets for review?
What common factor was found in these peoples enrollment information aside from a blood quantum issue gave the Ex. Committee a reason to disenroll?
Ya there was a reason for disenrollment. Lord smith and the jesters said so. That's Indian law. Don't u guys know that. (said with complete and utter sarcasm). This group of clowns that are trying to rule with a jello fist. Are backed in a corner and the walls are closing in. They know it and they are scrambling. I can hear the conversations now. "what do we do Howard?". They got us". "uh don't worry r s and jester crew. I'll think of somethin ". "oh. I got it. If n e one speaks out for the disenrolled. We will have them hanged from the sign at pala casino for treason". " that should hold up. Oh wait. Your sovereign tey can't touch you.
The mental picture of above conversation was pretty awesome I must admit.
This is the thing about greed...eventually it will catch up to you. There will never be "enough" to make yourself feel good, buy you what you want, bail yourself out. Dip into the cookie jar too many times and pretty soon there are no cookies left and a lot of your fellow tribal members will be mad when they don't get their share of dessert.
You spent too much? Admit it. You mismanaged money? Find someone who manages it better. You paid your legal representative too much? Fire them (not an act of treason since the lawyer isn't part of the tribal government because that would be a conflict of interest). Your jet cost too much to fuel and fly? Sell it. Your other jet cost too much also? Sell it. That third jet...you get the picture, right?
You are right United We Stand... If they think they can scare current enrolled members to keep their mouths shut they will.. They are going to do anything they can because the walls are closing in. I hope all indians see what is happening all over indian country and take a united stand against these corrupt executive committee members. WE CAN STOP THEM..Just SPEAK UP!!!
Haha ya come on,executive comitee brain wash's the whole tribe and rules everyone.hahaha what a joke these people are.what are you going to try next damn give it up!!!!!!
What common factor was found in these peoples enrollment information aside from a blood quantum issue gave the Ex. Committee a reason to disenroll?
Their reason: Other "Corrupt and Criminal Tribal Leaders" are using "Sovereignty" as their right to "Steal, Disenroll, Banish, and Imbelish Criminal Activties without.."Consequences!" And all these "Criminal Tribal Leaders" subscribe to the same "Play Book!" The B.I.A. see's what's happening, but refuses to act "Responsably" to stop these "Blatant Acts Of Terrorism" against the "Oppressed Native American Indian. The only time they act is when their "$$$ Base" is threatend. With the "Casino Indian" being the "Parasites" that they are, and their only "Motivation is Greed and Self Interest," I ask you: Where is the "Justice" when the B.I.A backs these "Criminals" without question?....Question: Has the B.I.A. come foreward on the "Indescretions" at "Pechanga? This may be something they can't "Cover-up." Could be why "Chickenhawk" jumped ship. You can't steal "Indiscriminatly"...."WithoutConsequences." and this may be "Pechangas' Waterloo."..."Eagle Eyes."
For those who are cowering under the kitchen table waiting for the knock on the door, speak out and have a "Pala Spring"! Big Daddy Amin, Khadfy, Robert Smith. Dance like the Egyptians! Or else. Selling one of Smith's jets will pay everyone of the disenrolled back for all the misery caused by his evil and hate. Read this well-known quote from the WWII Nazi era:
First they came for the communists,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a communist.
Then they came for the trade unionists,and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a trade unionist.
Then they came for the Jews,
and I didn't speak out because I wasn't a Jew.
Then they came for me and there was no one left to speak out for me.
Oh Margarita Britian did not have the blood get over it no one cares its not something that came out the blue,people always talked about its just finally been done everyone was raised with truth except for the disenrolled obviously who thought they could get over on everyone shit you ripped off tribe long enough the people spoke get over it. You're white and thats that
"Oh Margarita Britian did not have the blood get over it no one cares its not something that came out the blue,people always talked about its just finally been done everyone was raised with truth except for the disenrolled obviously who thought they could get over on everyone shit you ripped off tribe long enough the people spoke get over it. You're white and thats that"
The proof is some people, not all the people, said that said she wasn't a full blooded Indian but where is the proof she wasn't one?
The proof, the BIA information, shows she was a full blooded Indian and no, the people didn't speak only the people currently in power spoke and others are afraid to speak out that lies could be told about their families and they could be next!
Same old story in gaming tribe after gaming tribe, kick people out to get a bigger share of the profits because, frankly the scoundrels in power can and no one, so far, will hold them acountable for their actions.
So your telling me that the Secretary of Interior, the highest authority on Indian Affiars, did extensive research over 22 years ago proving she was 4/4 and making a final determination on her blood degree was wrong, that they didn't know what they were doing when researching all documents. And your telling me that the original 1913 allotment roll that is housed in DC that was not changed with pen was wrong it said her blood degree was 4/4. Your telling me that ALL the documents that we have proving she is 4/4 ( and who her father was) that Smith neglected to put in his "official Packet" is incorrect (not that you have probably seen that info since he "forgot" to put it in his packet!! Your also telling me that it is ok that they blatantly disregard the BIA final decision from 1989 and their own ruling from a general council meeting where it was approved by your tribe and your very own Robert Smith that the blood issue is over and they accept that they had an error in their paperwork and that they now have changed it to reflect her true blood degree of 4/4. So because "some people" run their mouths thiking they know more than the Interior and all the original documents that they are correct. I am guessing, just going out on a limb here, you are... still enrolled, got a raise and expect more since the disenrollments happened, going to get a large bonus I am sure, are probably friends or family with Smith (or you are Smith ) or one of the EC , are just as corrupt as he/they are, probably getting paid to spread false rumors and you don't care much about the history of Pala or the fact that she was one of the original allottees. You make me ill thinking how you are just like the rest of the EC that could care less about the 162 members who have been stripped of their heritage after all these years. Shame on you and one day you and all of them will have to answer to the man above.
Sounds to me like I would bet my house on it. That moron blasting off. Oh wait. Did he list any factual information. No he sure didn't. WHERES THE PROOF EC. YOU HAVE NONE. So quit talkin like your even high school educated. Idiot. By the way I got sidetracked. To finish off the original sentence. That was probably smith or Miranda. Who's "lineage is based on the 1913 roll that proves who he is". But the disenrolled are not allowed to use the same roll. Because they make their rules up as they go. Walls are closing in boys. Better not drop the soap. Look at pechanga. Tic toc
Obviously Leroy likes picking up the soap, haha. Maybe Robert does too. Who knows, but the hammer is coming down and it will hit hard when it does. No one wants to have anyone else disenrolled, the whole thing is wrong. The more you think that disenrollments are fair the closer you get to the end of Indigenous People in the U.S., if you can't see that then you are blind. The government wants to end reservations, and the Executive Committees are doing it for them. That is why they are racking up as many funds as possible for themselves and they will leave their people behind when it is over. Unfortunately for them the disenrollees will hunt them down to the end and investigate every aspect of every deal they make so that their end is behind bars, along with their greedy lawyers. They are fools if the tribe can't see how much money the committees are giving to their legal council. If they did not have to do that their per-capita would increase immensely. That is the only way that Chairman like Robert Smith can hide his own corruption. How many houses do you have Robert? How many houses does your family members have? Trina's grandmother and mother must be crying in heaven to see what she has let you do to her family. Very Sad. Alice was such a beautiful, caring mother.
Everyone that is butt hurt cause their white hook up with the Cherokee nation they will accept you in a minute. They pay fees to be a wanna be Indian look into there web site for more information then you can still believe yourself. Oh you can make your own tribe and call youselfs the honest disenrollies!!! Since you are so corrupt free.
If you had your true facts the SCOTTS WERE ADOPTED IN TO THE TRIBE, THERE ORIGNAL OLD PALA FROM ACROOS RIVER THEY WERE HERE BEFORE THE PEOPLE WERE MOVED FROM WARNERS. THERE REALLY LUISENO'S. so how do you guys know so much truth you wanna be throwing things around. why would you be taking the words of other people over margarita brittian's own kids that sounds ASS BACKWARDS TO ME keep believing you'll win at the end.I would stop wishing bad on the EC if i was you people thats very wrong do your math and stop bitching your kids and grandkids don't make it. there's other people in tribe who can't be enrolled you don't see them suing and fighting causing trouble.GET OVER IT!!!!
Just because you get diss enrolled doesn't mean you get stripped of being Native American! So because you got stripped of your money, that Doesn't makes you not Native anymore? WHAT? Hey if you where Native before you will be native after! Come on you people, be honest with everyone, you are upset because you lost income! That is the bottom line! NOBODY STRIPPED YOU FROM BEING NATIVE!!!!! You still have the baby toe full of native blood in your body, so appreciate that and be thankful for who you came from. NOW IT'S TIME FOR YOU PEOPLE TO MOVE ON TO A NEW BREED OF RACE.
It is just getting started! Every person involved in this injustice will get exactly what they deserve. They think they've won but karma....wait for it because you reap what you sow. Thank you MB for leading us in the right direction and protecting your family. Happy Mothers day MB!
Ya thats what you people think hahaha karma for what the truth gzzz you guys wish bad on people thts not good no one did nothing but your parents trying lie.
It makes me laugh those that speak bad about the disenrolled.I am certain that you are going off what you hear rumor wise and not the factual papers that have not been seen by most people. Also, makes me think,and hope it doesn't happen to you even if you are against those who were disenrolled, that what would you do if you were in their shoes? Would you sit back and not fight for what you know is right?
“All that is required for evil to prevail is for good men to do nothing.”
Keep fighing! To those who have been disenrolled by the corrupt, lying, Executive Committee/Enrollment Committee, don't ever give up your fight! We all know that leroy miranda took his anger out on a certain tribal member's family by using the lies that he, himself, has perpetuated for years, to hurt innocent people. There are many people who are suffering at the hands of the vile dictator, robert smith, who only is concerned with preserving his lifestyle and hiding the truth. We know that leroy has worked tirelessly in his efforts to erase Margarita Brittain from Pala's history. Only the people who are too lazy or uneducated to learn the truth continue to perpetuate those lies, all the while ignoring the real truth about their own family, the truth that is well documented. NOWHERE in Pala history does Margarita Brittain ever state that her father is a white man, but her Great niece, Roscinda Nolasquez, has admitted several times, that her own Grandfather was from Mexico and he was a Yaqui Indian:
“…Roscinda Nolasquez of Cupa and Pala, a member of the Sawvel lineage (through her Grandmother and mother; her paternal grandfather, Silverio Nolasquez, was a Yaqui nicknamed Pexuchi Piita “String-Foot,” for his distinctive Yaqui-style sandals…” (A Grammar of Cupeño by Jane H. Hill).
The true history of the Nolasquez descendants is well documented, but the Executive Committee refuses to act on leroy miranda’s blood line issues, which are clear, instead acting against people who leroy and Robert see as their political enemies. leroy’s facts are based on a lie. We all know that rediculous excuse for a man, robert smith, allowed leroy to run with this because smith wanted to stop the only man who stood up to him and tried to make him accountable for his wrongful actions against the people who elected him.
Pala is still a General Council tribe, don’t forget that, and robert smith, leroy miranda and others have acted out of the scope of their authority. They have ignored the articles of association and the subsequent (questionably approved) constitution, by not protecting the welfare of their people, but only working to preserve their futures and that of their cronies.
Until you cronies know the pain and suffering your corrupt leaders have caused, you’ll never understand. You keep taking your little benefits they have given to gain your favor, so your bias is clearly for the ones that hurt the people.
Remember, hearsay is not fact. Margarita was born in 1850, Roscinda was born 40 years later, she was not present at the Margarita’s birth, so anything she said is not reliable. So, cronies, throw me some real facts. Until then, shut the hell up!
HISTORY IS PASSED DOWN GENERATION TO GENERATION, and history is said to repeat itself, which in my lifetime has been proven to me to be true time and time again. So believe me I will sure tell my kids and my grand kids and if I live pass 75 my great great grandchildren about MB. I will make sure they pass on this history that is so important to our future. Even if their blood runs down to 0 I will make sure they know this important issue. I will never let it die! MARGARITA B = FATHER UNKNOWN !!!!! UNKNOWN UNKNOWN UNKNOWN UNKOWN. How do you count the fathers blood if he is UNKNOWN! Why was he unknown???? Why don't MB have it herself saying who her own father is? How come SHE DON'T STATE WHO HER FATHER WAS? That's is the real issue, that is why you people are in this perdicament. NO FATHER LISTED !!! And to the EC in 1989 who got that fixed you are to blame for the diss enrolled today!!! Those poor innocent people whom you choose to sacrifice for your own children . REYES (KING) FREEMAN , LEE ANN HAYES , YOU PEOPLE KNOW WHAT YOU DID TO HURT THE POOR INNOCENT DISSENROLLED FAMILY'S THAT SUFFER YOUR GREED!!! TALK ABOUT GREED. LET'S. Robert Smith wasn't on the EC back then was he? Was Leroy Miranda on the EC then? Who where the Important individuals on that EC? If you people are so educated name your HONEST EC BACK IN 1989? Let's see how they helped the pala tribe? If you look at this picture you will see the TRUE GREEDY ONES, they are the ones that did the dirty deed . They are the elders who are still alive and grey, watching their own kids and grand kids suffer their GREEED! They are watching the loved ones suffer suffer suffer for their lies. MB is looking down at them in embarrassment. As they keep fighting the tribe they are trying to cover up the real sneaky lies and corruption they did. THEY HURT alot of people that is why they get to watch the ones they love the most suffer. That is just the way it goes, KARMA , since you people know so much about KARMA ,YOU I'LL UNDERSTAND THE PATH OF KRARMA!!! WHISHING BAD ON PEOPLE ,WHILE YOUR PEOPLE ARE SUFFERING BECAUSE OF YOUR OWN GREEDY SNEAKY ACTIONS. So stop lying to your people REYES , LEE ANN, and whoever else in 1989 that was on the EC, you people are through , done , finished . So ya, keep fighting , maybe people will forget what you people did to them.
How old was MB when she died? How old was Rosinda? Was Rosinda a crawling baby who couldn't speak when MB died? And where any of you present when MB was born? So wouldn't your words about her dad be hearsay also?. SO YOU WANT TO TALK ABOUT NOT RELIABLE. You all are not reliable, wouldn't you think? And as for the LITTLE benefits THAT ARE GIVEN, I wouldn't call them little, i would call them bentiful. No one should complain about little benefits, it is still a benefit. That some people don't get anymore because of corrupt 1989 EC that where greedy and evil. LITTLE BENEFITS, to them it's little that is what mAkes them greedy. They want more more more if they where running the tribe the tribe would be broke!!! FATHER STILL UNKNOWN. WHY?
Hate is also passed down from generation to generation, and this is what you are doing. The hate was instilled in you like the ones before you and you are going to curse your children, granchildren and so on. You don't even know why. I don't think you care. A good honest person would look at the facts and see the truth, even if they don't agree. It takes a real person to accept the truth and do the right thing even if they were taught to hate all their lives.
Why do people hate you ? Why? I don't hate anyone I hate when people lie, that's what I hate. So try to divert this issue as hate, go ahead DIVERT that is all you guys do. There are questions that where asked! Answer them clear this issue up. WHERE U THERE WHEN MARGARTA BRITTIAN WAS MADE AND CONCEIVED?
Nope and neither were you.
Why did Carolina Nolasquez say:
Q: Did Merced Nolasquez have any brothers or sisters?
A: She had she half brothers, Ambrosio Ortega, Jesus Ortega, and John Ortega. They are all living. They had the same father, but different mothers. She had five half-sisters, Margarita Britten, Rafaela Owlinguish, Melvina Sibimooat, Ysadora Michac, and Marcella Sibimooat. They had the same father but different mothers.
Interpreter: John Ortega
Taken 22nd day of July, 1921.
This was reaffirmed as true by Salvador Nolasquez, Ramon Nolasquez, Rafael Nolasquez, Cecilio Nolasquez and Claudina Nolasquez.
These documents are from 1921...LONG BEFORE 1989. So the Executive Committee of 1989 had nothing to do with this testimony.
If the current Executive Committee didn't have anything to hide, why not include this document in their 150+ page booklet they sent out?
It would have been a conflict to their goals of removing people, and it is a form of manipulation. Give people only the facts you want them to believe, and leave out the facts you don't want them to know about...don't let them think and evaluate for themselves.
What is that called again when the right to think and evaluate for yourself is taken away?
Very well states anonymous 8:46. There are several documents the Robert Smith and the EC "forgot" to put in the packet he sent out. Among those as you stated above. Another one that should be viewed as evidence that the EC does ehat they want with no regard for their own "constitution" is the fact that it states that enrollment is determined by the 1913 allotment roll which the original document is housed in DC and states that MB was 4/4 unlike the copy that has been penciled in. These people don't want to know the truth because they are
puppets of R'S. Do what he wants say what he wants think like he does. Unfortunately, one day the
tables will probably be turned on them and they will
have to fight to defend themselves. Only then will they understand or even care that they EC and Robert Smith are not he great leaders they believe they are
Ya but what about the 1989 leaders who where they ? who did MB say her father was?BOTTOM LINE WHO DID SHE SAY HER FATHER WAS WHY DIDI EVERYONE ELSE HAVE TO NAME HER FATHER, but her? DON'T ADD UP
THIS ONE SAID THIS THAT ONE SAID THAT? WHAT DID MB SAY. WHERE IS IT WRITTEN WHAT SHE SAID? That is what is so absent. So you people believe others than to believe her own children ? WHAT DID MB SAY?
WHAT DID MB SAY!!! WHAT DID MB SAY? WHAT DID MB SAY?
How come the the father didn't say or claim her?
WHAT DID HER FATHER SAY! WHAT DID HER FATHER SAY? WHAT DID HER FATHER SAY? W H A T DID
H E R F A T H E R SAY????
You talking about???????
I don't know what her father said. Do you did you have a conversation with him ? What I do know is that there are numerous documents proving who her father was and her blood quantum that Robert smith left out of the packet he sent out to members to try and get them to believe his lies. It just blows mind mind how people who have nothing nut hearsay can dispute factual evidence. Doesn't matter if you believe the factual documents or not you will soon see your " honest leader" and his EC who have done " nothing illegal or corrupt" have alot of questions to answer and I don't mean to the disenrolled I mean to those who have the power to investigate their wrongdoings. Neito, Miranda, Lattin if I were you I would would come clean now before you are caught in the middle of Smith and Dicksteins corruption. They don't care about you they will take you down with them.
May 15 anonymous clarification:
PELEGRINO ORTEGA! PELEGRINO ORTEGA! PELEGRINO ORTEGA! is Margarita's father, I know that is tough for 'hater' to hear, but it is true.
You also called the 1989 EC corrupt. What do you call this EC?? Honest, truthful, transparent with the tribe? Any way smith was a part of the 1989 decision and signed off on it through a general council meeting. My advice to you is to wash your hands of this learned hatred and protect this tribe because as the walls start crumbling and JFDP stated, "they will take you down with them."
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