MOST PEOPLE OF PALA DO NOT EVEN UNDERSTAND THE BRITTAIN/BRITTEN/BRITTIAN CASE
(Even some of the Britten Family)
This is very true. If you ask the average tribal member what the Britten case was about they really do not know the answer. For Robert Smith it is the end of a more than 40 year battle to rid the Pala Reservation of the Britten family. For the Brittens, it is just the beginning of a new battle, one which they have always won and will win.
The first challenge came when Juliana Calac challenged the blood degree of Margarita Britten, Allottee #25, in 1961, as was her right to do. Mrs. Calac was the chairperson of the first BIA sanctioned enrollment committee of Pala. (Julia Calac, herself was an Ortega and the Ortegas were adopted into the Saubel/Ortega family in the 1880’s.) OP: WHY is it always adopted members who want to harm real tribal members? She was not a Cupeño Indian. She also challenged the blood degree of Catherine Valenzuela, Allottee #149. She challenged the right of Alvino Salazar to be enrolled at Pala.
On February 27, 1962, 063-Pala Reports and Recommendations, the BIA informed Juliana Calac that Margarita Britten was indeed a Full Blood Indian. The BIA determined that Catherine Valenzuela was only ¼ Indian and not ½ Indian as she had claimed. It was also determined that there were no records demonstrating that Alvino Salazar was a descendent of any Pala Allottees.
The Pala Band Enrollment Ordinance granted anyone and everyone a full 18 months to challenge this decision. It was not The decision was final. The time to appeal this decision had run and the statute of limitations had run as well.
As far as the Britten family can tell, the next challenge came from Patricia Nelson, perhaps as retaliation for the BIA ruling against her family. The BIA has refused to produce the supposed petition submitted by a group of Band members to the BIA challenging Margarita Britten’s blood degree in 1983. The only real hint to the existence of this petition comes from letter exchanges between the BIA and Patricia Nelson in 1989. It was not a petition of PBMI. (Pala Band of Mission Indians) PBMI accepted the determination of the BIA in 1989 and did not appeal that decision that Margarita Britten was Full Blood.
That should have been the end of it. But it wasn’t. Robert Smith was convinced that Margarita Britten was not full blood and began a relentless battle to achieve power that would allow him to disenroll the Brittens. This is not a product of 2011. It is the result of a long drawn out conspiracy on the part of Francis Muncy and Amy Dutschke to help Robert Smith achieve his goal.
Robert Smith began inquiring as to what he needed to do to get the BIA out of approving the PBMI Rolls. Francis Muncy and Amy Dutschke both advised Robert Smith to take action to have the BIA removed as having final determination over who is and who is not a member of PBMI. Records of this correspondence are on file with the BIA.
So it began. Robert Smith set out on a long road to achieve his goal of getting rid of the Britten family. If you really know who Robert Smith is then you know he is not capable of thinking this whole scheme out by himself. So it was Amy Dutschke to the rescue. Amy Dutschke just happened to have a niece named Sara Dutschke who was completing a two year internship with the BIA under her Auntie Amy. Sara Dutschke’s reputation was one of developing schemes for tribes to disenroll their members. As reported by Executive Committee member/s Sara Dutschke was responsible for developing the final scheme to disenroll the Brittens.
First of all who is Sara Dutschke really? She is an attorney, so as an attorney and employed by PBMI her employment should have been approved by the General Council. This is still a reserved right of the General Council and not a right of the Executive Committee. If Robert Smith was a real man he would have presented Sara Dutschke to the General Council and told them that he wanted to hire her to develop the scheme to disenroll the Brittens. And so it was, in violation of Robert Smiths own illegal constitution, Sara Dutschke was hired.
After the disenrollment of the Britten family members Sara Dutschke went St. Peter. Whenever she was asked if she worked for Robert Smith and if she had anything to do with the Pala disenrollments she denied it. Just like St. Peter denying Christ, Sara Dutschke denied working for Robert Smith. Funny how her name shows up as attorney of record for various PBMI matters.
So how were the Brittens to be challenged? The PBMI Enrollment Ordinance, even with its adulterated amendments of the Pala Executive Committee, guaranteed that anyone who was a member of PBMI at the time of adoption of the new BS Enrollment Ordinance could not have their membership challenged. Save one tiny little clause that states that if anyone committed fraud at the time of their enrollment their enrollment applications could be reviewed again.
So Robert Smith recruited Cindy Leal to request the Executive Committee to investigate the enrollment applications of the Britten family because she suspected fraud. Understand that it is now common knowledge that Cindy Leal herself has no right or entitlement to enrollment in PBMI. She has zero blood ties to anyone of PBMI.
It was safe for Robert Smith to choose Cindy Leal for the dirty deed because if he succeeded then he could reward her and he has. If she failed he could expose Cindy Leal for who she really is and have her removed from PBMI.
Also in the mix was Shasta Gaughn who was hired by the Executive Committee to research various archives and produce evidence about Margarita Britten. She too has been rewarded very well.
So what was this fraud that Robert Smith charged the Britten family? He claimed that the Britten family failed to provide PBMI with copies of the applications for the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll. On this Roll several Britten applicants show Margarita Britten as being ½ Indian. Other Britten Rolls (the ones not tampered with) showed Margarita Britten as being Full Blood.
What most of you don’t want to realize is that there never was or is there now a requirement for anyone to provide the PBMI enrollment committee with a copy of their families 1928 applications for the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll. Most of you do not even know what they are. If you did you would be running scared right now because the use of these records gives complete control over every family in PBMI to Robert Smith.
Even the BIA has determined that these files are so fouled that they can no longer be used as evidence. Just ask the Juaneno. Isn’t that right Robert Eben and Amy Dutschke? You already knew this but you let Robert Smith go forward with his plan and utilize proven as fraudulent documents in the decision making process.
What you should know is that PBMI adopted as its base roll the 1895 Allotment Records of Old Pala, the 1913 Allotment Records of Warner Ranch Evictees and BIA approved adoptees. The only authority the enrollment committee has is to assess each enrollment application based on the information contained in this base roll. That assessment is simple math and a family tree. If your ancestor was listed as Full Blood on the PBMI Base Roll and you are at least a 4th generation descendent of this person, then you are a member of PBMI. It is a no brainer and this is what the old people approved, finalized and settled for membership in PBMI. They didn’t write in a special clause that said the PBMI Base Roll was final unless Robert Smith disagreed.
In the 1983 to 1989 investigation conducted by the BIA it was found that the California copy of the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll had been altered. The original document filed in Washington D.C. was not altered and clearly listed Margarita Britten as being Full Blood. The altering of the original California filing is easily visible and evident.
So the first eight Britten disenrollees were charged with fraud and the remaining Brittens were disenrolled because Robert Smith, himself, lowered the blood degree of Margarita Britten.
Why should you be concerned with this? Robert Smith has determined that if your family lineage in the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll is not clearly listed then you must assume white. Every 1928 application has voids in listing family members. This means that if you piss Robert Smith all he has to do is examine your family’s 1928 applications and let the disenrollments happen. You are all at risk. You can all be controlled. You can all be disenrolled.
The truth is that the Britten fight is your fight too. If you sit back and do nothing then what happens next is your fault. Just look at this random glance at a 1928 App. Mother’s side “Don’t know:” but the record shows 4/4 Cahuilla. According to Robert Smith the “Don’t know” is the same as white so the 4/4ths gets changed to 1/2. Need I say more?
Has anyone done a lineage on Robert Smoth?
Lets do the same to him. He has no real Kupa ties, so lets take out the trash. Also the Escondido city indian and her cousins, perez and hoody duty maxey.
Sure. Robert Smith's family tree is in the hands of the Brittens, as are all the EC members'. That is not the point though. We are not here to hurt people. We simply want justice to be served.
What gives RS the right to change a final decision made by the US Government on this issue. Yes the Tribe has a right to determine their own membership, but for 1 person to do what RS has done is total fraud. Back when this was approved by the BIA and the ASIA, didn't the BIA and the ASIA have the final say on this matter. If so, then how can he(RS)change a final decision by the us government. Doesn't law say that its a Tribe that has the final say. Well the Tribe didn't do this, in fact Tribal members were surprised by what took place. So when the EC says that the Tribe disenrolled these family members, it in fact was not the Tribe, it was one little fat white man that did it. Well we will see what the circuit judges have to say about that. And if need be, the US Supreme Court. He and the EC must pay for this crime of fraud that they have committed, one way or an other.
I am sure that the FBI and the IRS are involved in this by now, and hopefully the can get them on something. All they have to do is follow the money, and check out the real estate dealings made by the EC and their Real estate agent, who is going to sing like a bird when the Feds contact her.I'm sure that she would not want to risk her lic. to save Mr. Schmits white ass.
Hey Dion Perez and Teresa Nieto , what the heck are you doing determining the blood degree's and tribal rights of Agua Caliente descendants? I ask this because I have reviewed all documentation obtained on your ancestors and quite frankly you should be ashamed to be around here masquerading as descendants from WARNERS RANCH let alone the AGUA CALIENTE TRIBE. You belong to a tribe/reservation nowhere close to the PALA INDIAN RESERVATION! I wonder what P.B.M.I. band members think about you, your parents, and your kids taking percapita money that should be going into their pockets? You really should of done some homework on your own lineage before you did Robert (white boy) Smiths dirty work, your fakes, and living a lie AND IT CAN BE PROVED!
A questiin to Robert Smiths wife, your grandmother was Vivian Banks, do you know who her grandmother was? If you guess Margarita Britten your right. So did your cowardly husband wack you and your childrens blood too? How about you Sheila (smith) Lopez, your great great grandmother was none other than, yeah, you guessed it, Margarita Britten. Did Robert cut you and your childrens blood degree too? just trying to make sure it went across the board fo all and not just a few.
I had talk with some today, and they advise me to file a complaint about the conduct of BIA workers Frances Muncy and Amy Dutschke concerning the wrong doings in helping the Pala chairman, and advising him on what to do concerning the illegal tactics, and giving him a heads up on what steps to take concerning the illegal process used to disenroll certain tribal members. So I contacted the Attorneys office and submitted a complaint on those two workers concerning fraud. If anyone wishes to add to the complaint let me know and I will post the address of the Attorney office, and the phone number. They said that they have to look at all complaints that are filed with there office, so it may help to have more people join the complaint, and see what happens. it can't hurt.
Why do the other Reservations all acknowledge the blood degree of MB. All except Pala, where she should be acknowledged as a full blood.
@8:33, yes that would be great, I will call and make a complaint. @3:42 Yeah somehow Roberts wife and her family were not affected by the disenrollment, because they use their old Pala blood line which is another one that is being looked into, because a Scott seemed to have taken a homestead at one point in the area and if that did happen then the name should be taken off the rolls, any Indian who took land ( a homestead) gave up their Indian ancestry to own and run a homestead. Their mother Alice was a beautiful soul, sad to see her kids do this to their own cousins.
Philamino scott was the husband of Ramona scott from old Pala. These are the Grandparents of Mrs. Smith(Chairmans wife.)I believe that he did homestead that land that they farmed for many years.
Did he lower his Daughters blood.MB was their Great-Great grandmother
because of his (wife/cousin)side.
Yes all of his, shelias, and the Scotts all lost a 1/16 because of the disenrollment. You guys are to much if it's not one thing it's another but when you guys were apart of the tribe this came up now did it
Pala Rez, how do you know this? is that what you were told? or are you stating facts.
The San Pasqual Martinez clan are trying to change their blood quantum. Their ancestor Jose Juan Martinez had a homestead. He gave up his identity as a San Pasqual Indian. No other family did that in San Pasqual except the Trasks. Listen and Learn.
I'm stating facts
palarez is talking out of his backside, and why do you continue to call P.B.M.I. a tribe? Can you not interpret a document or do refuse to actually read factual material?
Can u not interpret your not a part of the tribe?
Well I am part of this Tribe and I am sick and tired of all the "BULLSHIT" that is happening at Pala. This is not how our people built this Reservation .It was built with sweat, blood, and tears.
Our Elders loved our people and wanted a safe place for the native people of Pala to build their homes and raise their families. And that's the way that it used to be. But now The so called chairman, and his group have totally changed everything to benefit their little group and to demolish the lives of true native people. All of this name calling is not good for the Tribe as a whole and really needs to "STOP" and stop know before the U.S. Government is forced to take action and everyone will lose in the end.
I once heard t5hat Robert Smith wants his Daughters to follow his footsteps and have one of them be the Chair Person of the Tribe. This will never happen. Why?, because by the dealings that RS and his EC are involved with. Mostly, the people will be afraid to vote for them because of all the hurt that their Father has imposed on the Tribe and their people.
All of the name calling needs to be set aside, and its time to show a little respect for one another, you know the way it used to be, and really the way that it should be.
Just take a minute and look what is happening to the other Tribes that don't stop and think about things before they act. Their are loosing their Casino's, and working on loosing their birth rights to be called native Americans. Is this really what the people of Pala want to see happen, because we could be next in line for the Government to take this action against the Pala Tribe. "Think About It."
Robert should just re enroll the disenrollees. It would save the tribe money in legal fees. Then the disenrolled would be able to pay there tribal loans back. Plus people MIGHT even praise Robert for bringing pala back together. It would be a win win for everyone.
It is disgusting what has happened at Pala. Some day Robert will get his day.
Hey, August 8, 2015 at 4:29 AM, you have no idea what you are talking about. Read all about Jose Juan Martinez in the John Peabody Harrington papers. He was a full blood Indian. All that the San Pasqual descendants want to have happen is that the tribe and BIA not rely on the 1928 applications because each and every family Martinez family member is different and they are wrong. You have to look at ALL the historical documents. The San Pasqual descendants have the blood to be enrolled and will be enrolled.
Robert and the current EC members, you time is almost expired. It would be in the best interest of the Tribe to re-enroll the members that do qualify. Why are you so afraid of willy and king if everything is on the up & up. By disenrolling these families is not the answer. The whole Tribe is taking a real beating and is being bad mouthed because of these actions. You say, Robert that you want your Daughters to run the Tribe someday. Well then why are you leaving such a big mess for them to clean up, if that is the case. If you really care about your legacy to be that you were a good chairman for the Pala People, then this is the time for you to do the right thing for you and the EC to do the right thing for the Pala Tribe. Gain back the respect from all in Indian Country that used to think that Pala was a model Reservation. Show them that we are a model tribe. Don't leave it up to the Government to make this determination.
Reinstatement ....that's why you stay disenrolled....it's time to hurt people with facts. Quit trying to be the nice guys, it hasn't gotten you anywhere and it never will as long as Robert is in charge. You say you know his lineage, well it's time to put it all out for the world to see.
PLEASE POST THE INFO FOR ALL TO SEE CONCERNING ROBERT SMITH AND THE REST OF THE EXECUTIVE MEMBERS THAT ARE IN QUESTION HERE.SEE IF THEY CAN IN FACT BE HURT, LIKE THEY HURT THE OTHER TRIBAL MEMBERS. THANK YOU.
Check out the documrnt posted on PALAWATCH PALAREZ
PALAREZZER/ROBERT SMITH SAID: Yes all of his, shelias, and the Scotts all lost a 1/16 because of the disenrollment. You guys are to much if it's not one thing it's another but when you guys were apart of the tribe this came up now did it
YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS. YOU CAN'T UTILIZE YOUR OLD PALA BLOOD AND YOUR CUPENO BLOOD, TWO DIFFERENT TRIBES, TWO DIFFERENCE RESERVATIONS.
IF I WERE THE SCOTTS WHO WERE ENROLLED UNDER THEIR MARGARITA BRITTAIN BLOOD, WHILE EVERYONE ELSE WAS DISENROLLED, WERE THEY ABLE TO BENEFIT FROM UTILIZING ANOTHER INDIAN TRIBES BLOOD DEGREE TO REMAIN ENROLLED? IT'S VERY CONCERNING THAT THEY'VE STAYED ENROLLED ONLY BY ALIGNING THEMSELVES WITH 'OLD PALA'. YOU CAN'T HAVE IT BOTH WAYS, YOU ARE EITHER CUPENO OR OLD PALA AND I THINK YOU SHOULD JUST GO BACK TO OLD PALA.
MARK THIS EVERYONE, THE SCOTT GIRLS HAVE FULLY EMBRACED THEIR OLD PALA BLOOD AND CAN NO LONGER USE THEIR CUPENO BLOOD TO BE ENROLLED AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN WILL FOREVER BE "OLD PALA." SO MANY DOUBLE STANDARDS, SO MANY WRONGS COMMITTED BY RS/PALAREZ AND THEIR FOLLOWERS, IT'S A CRYING SHAME.
IN MY HISTORICAL BOOK, SCOTT GIRLS AND THEIR CHILDREN ARE NO LONGER CUPENO, THEY ARE "OLD PALA."
SO, IN THE CASE OF SHELIA, SHE ALSO TURNED HER BACK ON HER CUPENO BLOOD. DOES THAT MEAN SHE IS EMBRACING HER SAN FELIPE BLOOD? SHE HAS TURNED HER BACK ON HER CUPENO FAMILY ALSO. IS IT FAIR TO OTHER TRIBAL MEMBERS THAT ONE FAMILY CAN USE MULTIPLE BLOOD FROM MULTIPLE INDIAN GROUPS TO BE ENROLLED? I THINK NOT.
HOW YOU GUYS COULD STAND THEIR AND DO NOTHING WHILE OTHER PEOPLES LIVES HAVE BEEN DESTROYED AND DO NOTHING, THE REAL SHAME IS THAT YOU CAN'T EVEN SEE THAT YOU ARE ALSO HURTING YOURSELVES AND THE FUTURE OF YOUR FAMILIES. YOU'VE MADE YOUR CHOICES, YOU'VE TURN AGAINST YOUR CUPENO BLOOD.
IT'S A MESS CREATED BY THE GREED AND EVIL DESIRES OF AN EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE/ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE WHO NOT ONLY WANT TO HIDE THEIR LIES AND DECEIT, BUT ALSO WANT TO HIDE THE TRUTH OF THEIR OWN BLOODLINES. WE ALL KNOW THAT YOU'VE BENEFITED TREMENDOUSLY FROM REMOVING PEOPLE WHO FOUGHT FOR THE SIDE OF RIGHT. PBMI IS CORRUPT TO THE CORE, AND IT TRICKLES DOWN TO THOSE WHO FOLLOW THEIR EVIL WAYS.
^^ to bad you don't speak up and let the Scotts know your opioion because I honestly don't care your opioion you are not on the Ec. Your another cry baby who won't give it up already. If you knew Scotts lineage there cupa and luiseno if you knew shelias she is cupa on her mom and dad's side but you tell yourself you know it all.
No body is just going to "give it up". There are injustices and favoritism happening in pala. Not all families are being treated equally. Including the brittens.
Not all family's must be a freeman
Someone at the Casino last night said that, PalaRez is none other than
Nona Scott Nejo. This came from someone at the Bar. Don't know if it is true or not, but that's what the rumor is.
I herd it all now first I'm Rob now I'm Nona you guys are classic
No, it's not we guy's that are classic. It's the people that like to gossip at the Casino that are the classic ones. They like to say shit with the hopes that it will get back to the person that they have a beef with. So I guess that someone wants to put all this bullshit on Nona, well I don't think that it was Nona, but nice try anyway.
To who support for my Pechanga and Pala friends, me and my friends boycott both of those casinos. You should encourage everyone you know do it to. You might get their attention if you hit them in the purse.
I don't think that it is Nona that is posting as Pala Rez. It doesn't sound like something she would do. And I don't think that she would say those things about my Family either.
Peter you are always so cordial, you are an example of how we all should be with each other, after all we are suppose to be family and community, and to call each other names and hate each other is not helping. We can fight the problem but we do not need to fight each other. Every time I read such distasteful comments on here, my heart breaks. I hope we can all come together and if we have to agree to disagree then so be it, but no matter what and no matter who says what, we do belong, plain and simple and we have been taken advantage of.
I will talk with my other family members and see if they agree with posting the family trees of the EC. I don't think it will accomplish much. The EC is in charge of enrollment. Are they suddenly going to disenroll themselves? Will the General Council try to take action on the EC? Both of these are highly unlikely. I mean after finding out about the millions that were stolen to start Pala Interactive and just letting it happen, I don't expect there to be much use in exposing the blood lines.
Here is the truth about the EC plot to remove the Brittens. Does anyone want to talk about lack of evidence, due notice, or denial of equal protection? Pelagrino Ortega was Margarita Britten's father. He was also the father of Merced Nolasquez. How many Pala members claim lineal descent from Merced Nolasquez?
These are the things that we need to talk about. The loud noises coming from Palarez sound like what happens when elephants eat too many beans. They are rude and insulting, but the smell will go away soon enough.
Explain the one million that is unaccounted PALAREZ
One million? Now we can laugh.
There was 1
$10 million invested in San Pablo Lytton Casino. They make money but the Chairman reported the investment lost.
There was $125 million borrowed to renovate the Casino. The project acutally cost $110 million. There goes $15 million. Just a drop in Robert Smith's Bucket.
There was $79 million that came from who knows where to invest in Pala Interactive. The Chairman said that it was only half that amount. The Band keeps paying to support the venture which has not started making money yet. Somewhere around $100 million to kiss goodbye.
Just the tip of the iceberg. The personal junkets on Pala Jets to golf in Mexico and follow the Steelers on the road aren't free. The vacations to Las Vegas for the National Rodeo or just to gamble where the Indians can see add up.
The lobbying costs to promote online gaming legislation never seem to show up in the financial report, but it is at least $20 million over the last few years. Contributions to the Democratic National Committee, the $65k to shake hands with Obama, contributions to the FBI retirement fund, and so on.
That money comes out of the members pockets. But the Casino belongs to Robert Smith. It's his. If it weren't for the BIA Revenue Allocation Plan and the NIGC/IGRA, he would take every penny. The Band should really be proud of their EC. Such efficient thievery is not that easy to achieve.
The piracy continues.
@ 8:16 PM, I think you are right, there is a sigm hanging on Lizzy and Verns fence that says "OLD PALA or Luiseno or what ever. If that's the case then she should move her house across the river. Or burn it down.
Who are you to say that there both from here, they have every right to have a house.Who are you to say burn it down? You must of lost yours.
"there both from here"? dude whats your completed education level?
What the hell does this have to do with anything. I have seen worse things hanging on peoples fences.
Ya, like at voting time. That's like hanging your dirty laundry on you fence, but the smell never goes away does it. Especially on the dirty incumbents.
Pala Chief "Little Pee Pee" needs to go back to San Felipe.
interesting letter posted on PALAWATCH
By the Pala EC and Robert Smith, over riding the 1989 "FINAL" decision make by the US Government is a Federal Crime and they need to be held accountable for this action. So we need to find a way to do so before it's to late. Also I wonder why Amy douchbag and Robert Eben have decided to retire all of a sudden. And why did Howard Prickstien, leave the Pala Tribe as their gamming Attorney.
One way to go at it Joanne Smith the Pala boys and girls club she has said and so has her daughter that Michael Willis is her daughters brother. Meaning her kids fathered from multiple women in the tribe.Not to mention that Joanne and her daughter as well as twelve others claim on the taxes that they live on the reservation when they do not. Millions over the years not paid in taxes. That could count for Prison term given the right people.
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