Dare speak about the goings on in Pala and you are taking the chance of being the subject of dire consequences. It is this imposed silence that has allowed ROBERT SMITH and his cronies to secure complete control over the tribe. To the outside world they address him as the honorable Robert Smith. To those that know him, really know him, fear addressing him at all.
Pala is a community now suffering from various syndromes:
Child Abuse Syndrome:
Mental health professionals may testify about behavioral characteristics of a particular child that are "typical" of sexually abused children. Such behavioral indicators include a wide variety of symptoms such as regression, withdrawal, aggression, nightmares, bed wetting, fears, masturbation, and tantrums but are completely nonspecific (Wakefield and Underwager, 1991b). They appear in many different situations, including conflict between parents, divorce, economic stress, wartime separations, father absence, natural disaster, and physical, emotional, but nonsexual abuse (Emery, 1982; Hughes and Barad, 1983; Jaffe et al., 1986; Porter and O'Leary, 1980; Wallerstein and Kelly, 1980; Wolman, 1983). There are no behaviors that occur only in victims of sexual abuse. With the exception of sexualized behavior, the majority of symptoms shown in sexually abused children characterize child clinical samples in general (Beitchman et al., 1991).
Stockholm syndrome is considered a complex reaction to a frightening situation, and experts do not agree completely on all of its characteristic features or on the factors that make some people more susceptible than others to developing it. Many researchers believe that Stockholm syndrome helps to explain certain behaviors of survivors of World War II concentration camps; members of religious cults; battered wives; incest survivors; and physically or emotionally abused children as well as persons taken hostage by criminals or terrorists.
Robert Smith cannot be considered responsible for all of the madness that is Pala. The United States is the one that planted the seed. All Robert Smith did was ripen the fruit of oppression. Now that oppression is protected by the United States under the United States endowed term of “Tribal Sovereignty”. In the old days, a leader such as Robert Smith would have just been thrown off a cliff as was “Custom and Tradition”. Now he is a protected servant of the United States. You don’t need to control everyone. You only need to control enough people to satisfy the requirements of the United States to convince the BIA that you are the rightful leader of the tribe.
The act of evicting and removing the people of Warner’s Ranch and Rancho San Felipe is more than likely the point of conception of the true dire conditions at Pala. The removal of people from their homelands and placing them in a fixed area with boundaries is no different than removing thousands of people from their homes and placing them in concentration camps. Placing those same people in living conditions with their historical enemies only compounded the situation at Pala.
The practice of placing more than one tribe on one reservation has never been successful. There is always tension, resentment and oppression. There is one reservation with four distinct tribes but the majority of leaders came from one tribe. When that particular tribe wanted full control they would and do simply conduct the meeting in their language so no one else can understand. It is even better when the BIA is in attendance.
It cannot go unnoticed that there are many negative comments about Robert Smith and some of his actions appearing on this blogs comment section. It would be easy for any knowledgeable psychologist to see that there are many symptoms of oppression expressed in these comments. Probably helplessness to do anything against their captor, Robert Smith, is the most prominent.
Many of the comments refer to some very serious crimes such as murder, kidnapping, rape, drug trafficking and various types of theft on a grand scale. Many of the comments express despair and hopelessness. The BIA will not help. The FBI will not help. The State of California with its Public Law 280 authority will not help. The County District Attorney will not help. There is no help. What the people do know is that if they acted in accordance with custom and tradition and just threw Robert Smith off the cliff there would be hell to pay. Those same officials that refuse to help the people of Pala would unleash every garrison of power within their might to prosecute/persecute the people of Pala.
The County of San Diego, District Attorney, has already demonstrated that she is quite willing to send, and has sent, an army of Sheriffs to quell any threat to crooked and despicable tribal leaders. Millions of County dollars were spent to protect Robert Smith from a peaceful group of concerned tribal members expressing a need to have Robert Smith’s actions investigated. The BIA only threw gasoline on the County’s fire when they refused to acknowledge a tribally sanctioned action as provided within Robert Smith’s, Amy Dutschke approved illegal constitution. This only added and confirmed the oppression within Pala.
OP: This is oral history, according to some Pala people......
So what is this often spoken of murder that Robert Smith and his brother Andrew Smith are supposed to have committed? It is known around the Village (Pala) as the campground murder. A man known by many of the tribal members had been allowed to live for an extended period of time at the then Pala Campground. One night he was being harassed by a couple of tribal members so he, the man who was eventually murdered, called Pala Security for assistance. The call drew much attention from Robert Smith and his cronies so they along with Pala Security went to the scene of the disturbance.
Once at the scene the situation escalated and got out of control. The man was restrained and as the story is told Andrew Smith shoved a flash light down his throat and killed him. Once he was dead Robert Smith took the flashlight to conceal the evidence. Some witnesses say he threw the flashlight in the sand and gravel pond. Others say he kept as a means to control his brother. Stories say that as many as nine people were present during the murder and an unknown number of people hiding in nearby bushes watching as the murder occurred.
Robert Smith’s counter story was that the man was armed with a golf club and attempted to strike Andrew Smith with it. Andrew Smith took control of the golf club and struck the man killing him on the spot. Robert Smith then tells of how the Sheriff was called and they determined that Andrew Smith acted in self-defense. The only problem with this story is that the Sheriff was never called. This has been confirmed by private investigators and the FBI.
Robert Smith and Andrew Smith have never denied that the man died that night. They stick with their version of the story. So they did it. They got away with murder and they have used this murder to further oppress the people of Pala. Yes you better keep your mouth shut or we will do you just like we did that man at the campground. What’s more, we will get away with it and no one will care. Words, when necessary that still echo in the village and intimidate the people of Pala.
There is another story about the murder of three Mexican Nationals. Many people have reported witnessing this event only they never reported it to the authorities. Instead they choose to remain quiet and safe and will only speak of the event from behind dark shadows.
The story goes that Robert Smith observed three men swimming in the pond where the Pala Casino is now located. People said that Robert Smith became enraged and ordered some of his cronies to go and get his Sea-doo. He then took his Sea-doo and speeded around the pond striking the three men. It is said that two of the men sank and never re-surfaced. The third man floated on the surface. Again, the Sheriff was called and this time the death of the man that floated was reported as an accident. Robert Smith was cleared of any wrong doing. It has not been confirmed that the Sheriff was contacted.
Then there is the story of the disappearance of Joe Scott. This story affects many people of Pala in so many different ways. Joe Scott was an innocuous likeable individual. He was friend to many. Yes he was a character of his own choosing but he was so subtle that he commanded kindness. He was a lackey for the Smith family. It was said that he would wash their vehicles and perform other tasks for them. So what went wrong? Who would want to kidnap or even murder Joe Scott? It was simply not a perceived notion within the village.
The Village story (gossip network) remains very consistent. Usually truth can survive the test of being distorted by gossip. The consistency of the story seems to lend credence to the truth about the disappearance of Joe Scott.
As the story goes, Joe Scott was accused of being inappropriate with the daughter of Andrew Smith. Andrew Smith, upset with the situation consulted with his brother, Robert Smith. Robert Smith concurred with his brother and gave his permission to end the life of Joe Scott. Robert Smith turned on the green light. A term used when someone is approved for killing.
The last person to see Joe Scott alive, other than his assailants, was a trained security guard. She did not think anything about it at the time when she saw Joe Scott being loaded in to the back of truck with a camper shell by two men. They were seen loading his bicycle as well. That was the last time Joe Scott was seen alive.
The story then goes that Joe Scott was taken to the home of Andrew Smith where he was shot and killed by Andrew Smith. Joe Scott was then buried in proximity of Andrew Smith’s home because they knew there would be a new home foundation poured over the sight. It is believed that Joe Scott is buried beneath Andrew Smith’s new home. That is the accepted story throughout the Village.
The disappearance of Joe Scott has taken a very twisted turn. One private investigator abandoned his search for Joe Scott when witnesses reported that Joe Scott moved to Mexico. Another investigator was brought in by Robert Smith and he reported that he had found Joe Scott living in a cardboard box in Tijuana. He said that Joe Scott had no desire to return to Pala. It was the opinion of the investigator that Joe Scott was suffering from mental illness and incompetent.
So why go through all of this trouble to find Joe Scott and not return him to his family? As the story goes there is a pot of gold in the name of Joe Scott. Remember he has only been reported as missing. His per-capital has been accruing for all the years that he has been missing. If Joe Scott were declared dead all that money would go away. Declare Joe Scott found and incompetent then Joe Scott’s money can be distributed to a court appointed guardian.
There has to be at least $500,000 in Joe Scott’s account. That is enough to attract the attention of any thief. Did it attract the attention of Robert Smith? As the story goes it did. Robert Smith had no concern when he stole the millions of dollars owed to the minor children disenrollees. His theft of those moneys was covered up by the BIA’s Office of Special Trust. So Joe Scott’s money was/is easy pickings.
Are these stories believable? Yes they are. There are eyewitnesses to these events. These same eyewitnesses are victims of the oppression that is the real spirit of Pala.
Pala is the place where Nahachish, a spiritual entity of the Luiseno People was murdered. The people of Pala (Old Pala) were cursed from that day. Joe Scott was Old Pala. Most of the people of Old Pala were scattered to the wind by the BIA. There is a BIA report that states that as many as 56 additional people were eligible for allotment of lands at Old Pala. Only 15 people received allotments. The rest were simply told to go away.
The ground is red at Pala. It is red from the bloodletting of Nahachish. It is where he cut his stomach open hoping to let out the poison fed to him by the Pala Luiseno. The poison is in the ground and in the spirit and minds of the people. In addition, the People of Old Pala lost their homeland to Warner Ranch Evictees. Thanks again BIA. The curse continues and Robert Smith controls every aspect of that curse. Robert Smith is the living curse of Pala.
Robert Smith, Andrew and all their cronies are just plain thugs. All the money in the world can't wash out the truth, those who know these men and their cronies are aware that Pala is run by a bunch of bullies (murdering bullies, by the way).
The Smith's are just like the mob and we are the innocent townspeople who are continually victimized by them.
Wow, there is no justice in Pala.
I guess the biggest question is will the Scott girls let the Smith's get away with it? I hope not.
Joe Scott never hurt anyone, he was always very respectful to all of the Elders of Pala. He was always ready to step up and help all the people on the Reservation. Weather it was helping with yard clean up or washing a vehicle for a person that could not do it for health reasons, or because of their age, Joe would always step up to the plate, and he didn't expect any payment for what he did.
How could anyone hurt a person like Joe Scott. I agree, that Joe had some issues, but who doesn't. I hope that his being missing is solved real soon for his family and friends. You will never be forgotten, Joe
and we are all praying for you and your Family.
I thought muder was a crime that is not overlooked by "tribal sovereignty". Wow! Where is the justice for this poor soul? Where is the police, FBI or the people of Pala to stand up to this hedious crime? Maybe the government officials just like the BIA have also been paid off by Robert! Smith family and government officials, you too, will have to answer for your crimes and to the people of Pala your ancestors must be rolling in their graves with disgust over your lack of character to help your fellow tribal members.
Has anyone ever contacted 20/20 or any of those investigating shows? Even 60 minutes? How about Geraldo? I know the local newspapers won't write about it because the tribes figured out a way to shut them all up by buying advertising and the local TV channels are the same. But a national show like 20/20 or 60 minutes can't be bought off so easily.
Why are the tribal members letting dictators like Mark and Robert run their empires? Because they are afraid....afraid if they say something or go to the authorities, these crooks will find a way to remove them and they will lose their per cap....it's all about the per cap. Why are so many afraid of these tyrants? You complain that the white man stole everything from you. And yet you let your leaders steal from you now. It's because that check coming in each month is way too easy. It's worth turning a blind eye to the horrible treatment that your fellow tribal members are getting. All those new cars and toys are much more important than culture and looking out for your fellow tribal member. And they are your tribe even if Mark or Robert has disenrolled them. You should be ashamed, but that check is just too good, isn't it?
Everyone has a price I didn't realize how cheap Pala tribal members are worth! The uneducated and weak will always be taken advantage of, this it is evident with Pala! Robert it was so easy, no one ever questioned you because they were too weak and if they did you disenrolled.
Well said Peter Trujillo sr. Even if Joe did do something inappropriate as is claimed, there are laws designed to deal with such actions. Why not utilize law enforcement? No, it appears the Smith boys have their own judicial system, neither one of these guys can do anything for themselves, have you seen them lately? They can barly walk let alone defend themselves, the karma of their wrongdoings seems to be taking its toll and I for one don't feel sorry for them one bit.
what comes around goes around...smiths day will come....
What I do not understand is why does that Morongo bunch like Francis Muncie defend the Smiths, especially Francis Muncie. Didn't Andrew beat her niece senseless on a regular basis? Never forget that Andrew also killed that baby and got away with that murder too. The Smiths are horrible men. If the Smiths are what the BIA thinks is honorable I would hate to meet the people they consider to be criminal.
I guess it runs in the Smith family. I remember when their Grandfather Henry Smith stabbed a man in their old house and killed him and got away with it. And then we all know how corrupt their Great Grandfather Domingo Moro was. So its in their blood.
Maybe someone will get tired of their bullshit someday and just lose it and kill off like do others. Remember in the words of Robert Smith, WHATS RIGHT IS RIGHT, AND WHATS WRONG IS WRONG. Well they just do not belong here, to breath the same air as the rest of us, they are soiling the rest of the Tribe and should be dealt with. Isn't this considered an internal Tribal issue and needs to be resolved by the Tribe. Well what are we waiting for. Another person to come up missing, and never herd from again, leaving their family and friends wondering what happened to them, and knowing that they will never come home.
Money talks, the big question to the REAL members of pala is how much longer will you sit back and watch Robert Smith give your money to people to look the other way while he robs you blind. Do you truly believe he gets to do what he wants around pala for free? It costs millions, for people in the B.I.A., F.B.I., the sheriff's dept. and Washington D.C. to call someone so despicable "Honorable". A B.I.A. employee has said they know whats going on in the pala casino, but what can they do about it. REAL Pala members are recieving only 1/2 to 1/3 of what they should be getting in per-capita because so much is stolen and another big chunck gets paid out so the thieving can continue unabated and uncontested.So if you don't mind your per-capita pays for people to steal your per,capita well there's not much anyone can do to help you.
Tally up the damage done by RS. It seems to be an endless list of acts of abuse, corruption, theft, and criminal activities. The BIA claims that it must give him deference and accept his interpretation of tribal law. It goes way beyond that. The BIA is doing everything in its power to perpetuate the evil reign of RS. Even after being notified that the Pala EC is violating tribal law and usurping the power of the General Council, the BIA extends them unwavering support. Then the BIA pretends that the Pala EC is the "Tribe" and that there is an internal dispute between the "Tribe" and its members.
Well PBMI is not a tribe; it is an association of groups, and the members are the Band, not the Pala EC. The Chairman and his lackeys are elected representatives who are required by tribal law to enforce the decisions of the General Council. So why do they get treated like royalty? The BIA is not acting in accordance with policy, laws, and regulations. The Courts seem oblivious to the breach of trust duty, and a Superior Court Judge actually helped the Assistant Secretary justify his decision to determine that a meeting and an election fulfill the same function by ignoring the plain language meaning of the Pala Constitution.
The money is the key; it explains all the head-shakingly ridiculous actions and decisions that have enable the Pala EC to stay in power and remove legitimate members from the roll. How do you get people to understand the simeple facts? Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto distribute a financial report to the Pala General Council. This report shows that all of the revenue is distibuted every year. It is shown either as per-capita, administrative expenses, general welfare expenses, or economic development funds.
So where does the money for lobbying come from? Or how about the money for Pala Interactive? What about charitable donations, or contributions to the Democratic National Committee, and the FBI retirement fund? How about the legal fees for the many attorneys needed to keep up with the wide spread criminal activities of the Pala EC and their compromised accomplices?
It can be proven that Robert Smith is deliberating concealing funds from the members of the Band. These funds are being used to destroy the Pala Band. Each day the Chairman devises new ways to hurt the people of Pala. The people must work together to gather the evidence. It is outside of the authority of the Pala EC to hide money from the Band and use it for personal expenses or for uses not approved by the General Council. Sovereign Immunity cannot protect the Chairman if the people file suit for theft and misappropriation of funds.
Pala no longer disenrolls, they just make you disappear by killing you and hiding your remains so no one will find you. But they will get caught, probably by their own mistakes. Someone WILL slip up one of these days and the TRUTH WILL come out.They can fool some of the people sometime but,they can't fool all the people all of the time.
They think that people come to these blogs and just read them and that's it. However I am willing to bet that there are people that come to these blogs as a source of information concerning the crimes and actions that the Pala EC has, and is bestowing on the Tribal Members of Pala, and Pechanga. There are plenty of statements and clues that are good evidence against the Chairman and the EC members of both Tribes. And sooner or later their will be enough evidence to convict these corrupt leaders and their EC members. Don't ever give up the fight for justice, because it will come. And from a good source,it is said that it is on it's way.
I heard that some one fired a couple of shoots at lizzy scotts house a day or two ago in Pala .Isn't that Robert Smiths sister-in law.Did she piss off Her Beloved Brother-in-law RS?
Here is a question for the people at the Pala Reservation.
1-Why do you allow R. Smith and the EC to hurt the people of your Tribe.
2-Don't you care that RS and the EC are spending all of your money.
Take a look at all of the security vehicles that have been bought with your money that are just sitting there collecting dust. There is not even enough security personal to account for all the vehicles.
3_What happened to the other security vehicles that were traded in or sold by the EC, where is that money, it never get added back into the budget for the following year.
3_Look at all the equipment that was leased and approved by the EC without the consent of the GC, (tractors and such).
4-Look at all the new security cameras that were installed near the park area,approved by the EC and not the GC.
5-How about all the new vinyl fencing that has been installed and approved by the EC and not the GC.
6-Don't you even care the your per capita check is only about half of what you should be getting, money being spent by the EC and not the GC.
There is so much money being spent by Robert Smith and The EC. This money belongs to you Tribal Members, and the EC.
7- They (the EC)spend so much money that should be going to the Members of the Tribe without the approval of the EC, don't you care.
8-Why is it never said at the meetings the amount of money that comes in from the payments of the new homes that have been built here for Tribal Members.
9- Why doesn't the treasure ever tell the GC at the meetings how much money come in from the other enterprises that the Tribe has, like the Roberts Property in Pauma Valley or the Groves that we have in Pala.
10-How long are you going to allow this corrupt council to do as they please with your money, or don't you care.You check every month should be well over $20,000 a month.
11- Where is all of the mone3y that was in the trust funds of all the minors that were disenrolled by the EC.
12- How about the 20 million dollars that they withdrew for the Warners property, where is the money.
13 and how about the $125 million dollars the they used for thew Pala interactive online gaming capper that never came to light.Or is that also OK.
I guess that you just don't give a shit about the crooks that run the Tribe. But you should care because they are ruing the Tribe beyond repair. Don't you care about that either.
It is time for the people to come together as a Tribe and take the Tribe back and put it in the hands of the General Council, the EC has proven that they can not run the Tribe, and they are destroying it.
Take back the control before it to late and we have nothing to save.
A Friend told me that PALA REZ POSTER is Mark Orassco, Robert Smiths assistant little bitch.
Also Aug24,@8:51 PM, you forgot to mention about the Tribe paying for the insurance on his daughters vehicles that were leased by the Tribe for his Daughters, I believe that there is evidence that was given as to the lease of one of the vehicles that is in the custody of one of his Daughters. There was a Check that was written to the Dealer for said vehicle signed by Robert H Smith and counter signed by Theresa J. Nieto. A copy of the check is now in the custody of the IRS and the FBI along with copies of the paper work that was submitted to the DMV. It's all there in black and white, and can't be disputed by anyone.
Lizzy Scotts 2 sons better quit speeding around in those fast cars that they have before one of them gets hurt or they kill an innocent child or an adult. They act like they own the reservation, however there has to be limits when it comes to wreckless endangerment of a person or children.Thats what the shoots fired were about in Pala a couple of days ago at Lizzy Scotts house. You know, Robert Smiths cousin/sister in law.
hey Mr. Robert Smith. How's the sovereignty going for you now. Chicken s**t ass. Afraid to face the real facts in court. Guess what, now you are in the court of shame. The truth is now out there and you can no longer hide. We don't care if the BIA, FBI and all the others won't do anything. It is done. Everyone knows about your murders and theft. EVERYONE. There is still so much to talk about. How many children have you sexually abused. I hear Leroy Miranda was your first. How many rapes did you and your brother commit. Sorry, you only watched because women aren't your choice. How is that moustache working out for you?
How long before the FBI starts investigating the head Sherriff that allows all of this to go on? Why is the Sherriff protecting this corrupt leader? They can't claim they can't go on the Rez because didn't Robert use them for protection? Conflict of interest much mr. Sherriff?
That's not a moustache, that's left over pubic hair from Leroy & Mark.
Where do you guys come up with this? The tribe does not pay for his daughters vehicles nor are any of them leased. The check ur saying the FBI and IRS have dissent exists, and yes I know that for a fact. Keep talking shit about the Ec because that's all your doing is talking. Face it already your disenrolled fight it all you want your still going to be in the same boat your in now. If you have a problem with lizzie's boys go take that up with them.
wrong 3:45, Palarez will dispute everything, he will even dispute "doesn't" really is spelled "dissent", but he's the only one sticking up for Robbie boy any more so he's not important and neither are his misspelled comments
Pala Rez, Happy to inform you the check does exist, and it was given to the Fed by the dealer him self, upon an interview with said Dealer from Escondido. It was for a lease vehicle to the Pala Band of Mission Indians, and one of RS's Daughters was in custody of said vehicle when a picture was turned over for verification to the Feds.
The actual photo was from the Valet at the Pala Casino of the Driver of the Black SUV.
And that's not the only check that was found and sighed by RS and Theresa J Nieto for things that were purchased by the EC for things that have nothing to do with the PBMI.
You, however do not realize that you CAN NOT delete or cover up in any manner a money transaction that occurred by electronic devises.
Which includes an ATM, Money Transfer in any manner, even by phone, there will always be a record that can never be deleted once it is a completed transaction. That why at any Bank you are asked to slide your Bank card, and your Drivers lic through the little machine on most Banks counter at the window where you are doing business, it creates and electronic finger print and remains on file through the FDIC forever and ever Amen.
It was Rincon people shooting cuz they got whipped the night before by Lizzie's sons. They ain't trouble makers they keep to themselves. And so what? They got loud cars. Everyone speeds around here. It is just that their cars are extra loud. Fuck complain about more important things fuck... Haters
Public Relations 101: Deny, deny, deny! Doug Elmets must have schooled PALARez well during his tenure with Pala as their #1 mouth piece.
Just deny everything and the public will forget and forgive.
WE WILL NEVER FORGIVR AND FORGET, THE TRUTH IS THE TRUTH AND THE TRUTH SHALL SET IS FREE!
Yeah, I guess Elmets is feeling the heat, his other clients have taken a fall. Robs bufdy Leslie Loehse is being investigated for abusibg her tribe. Another Dickstein client, anuses the tribe, abuses the financial trust, another jetsetter with an unlimiyed open purse. She and Robert Smith were part of the California Tribal Business Alliance, the political group that Howard Dickstein and Elmets formed to drive their lobbying activities. Robert has funneled millions into this group to influence Sacramento govt officials and to control those in power to vote favorably for his platforms. There seems to be a common thread with those who are involved with this tight knit group, they all seem to engage in oppressing their people while utilizing a powerful PR team to negate bad press. I noticed for some while now that every time a news article would come out with negatuve press regarding disenrollments, Pala Tribe would make a large donation to some outside organization, hoping to offset the negative press. This is something that is almost subliminal. People don't clearly see this pattern, but I have. So, Palarez is back, let the offsetting of information begin. No matter what you, RS, or you lackey, palarez says, we know the truth, we know what a vicious vile human being you are, we know that you operate secretly BEHIND the scenes doing your dirty eork, so you can forget about trying to pretend to us, those who really know you, that you arent a evil rapist, violent, money grubbing jerk, who will do anything to protect his lies, his stolem millions, etc. You are less than zero, you pig.
What really stands out in all of these comments and comments on the other Robert Smith v Brittens stories is that there is absolutely no denial of these facts. Sure a lot of name calling but no denials of the murders and other heinous crimes. Why is that? Because everyone in Pala knows that these stories are true. Everyone in some way has been a victim of the Smith reign of terror. Pala will survive and things will eventually change but the real criminals should not go unpunished. So who are the real criminals? Tribal enemy no. 1 is Howard Dickstein. He changes tribal constitutions like he changes his socks. He scripts policies for disenrolling anyone who challenges him. He develops schemes for funneling away billions of dollars from tribes. Public enemy no. 2 is Amy Dutschke. She is the BIA buy off. You want something done that will hurt thousands of Indians across California then Amy Dutschke is your man. These are the top two criminals that the FBI and IRS should really be looking at. Robert Smith will get his no matter what. Howard Dickstein and Amy Dutschke should both spend the rest of their lives in prison. Even that would not be enough to pay for what they have done to Indian Country. They would have to live 10 more lives in prison before all debts could be satisfied. Public enemy no. 3 is Francis Muncie. What a prejudicial hating bitch and servant of Robert Smith she is. Anyone in SoCal knows what I am talking about. Again, the FBI should be getting her jail cell ready too. She destroys Indians just because she is so full of hate. She doesn't need money like Howard and Amy. Francis will hurt people just because it is the only thing that makes her happy. What a miserable unrewarding life. Without these three criminals Robert Smith is nothing. He is nothing.
Howard Dickstein did not commit the crimes at Pala. He certainly was the brains behind the scheme to skim millions from the Pala Casino, and the architect of the deal to get the Casino built. He also involved numerous tribes in phony investments, or in investments that were devalued, or diverted to uses other than that originally intended. Just look at the Rumsey Rancheria v. Dickstein, Opper et al. complaint to see an example of this. That lawsuit was settled out of court though, so Dickstein and Opper did not have to face the consequences for their involvement in these spurious investments.
He is out of the picture now though. Amy Dutschke is involved in a conspiracy to commit fraud. She deliberately delegated the approval of the Pala Constitution to Acting Regional Director Carmen Facio when the approval was conditional. She also ruled that the Pala Enrollment Ordinance was the authority to disenroll the Britten descendants when that Ordinance is unconstitutional. She also has actively participated in the misindentification of the Pala Band of Mission Indians with the Pala Band of Luiseno Mission Indians, and has conferred the position of Chairman of the Pala Luisenos to Robert Smith. It is all part of a scheme to rob the Pala Band of millions.
She has announced her retirement so it may be difficult to bring her to task for the harm she has caused. It is definitely worth the effort though.
I HEREBY CHALLENGE ALL THE PALA MEMBERS TO REQUEST AN AUDIT OF ALL THE FINANCIAL TRANSACTIONS BY THE EC AND ROBERT SMITH FOR THE LAST 4 YEARS AND SEE WHAT THE OUTCOME WILL REVEAL.IF THEY REFUSE TO AUDIT, THEN MAKE THE REQEST THROUGH THE NIGC.
THE BAND IT SELF SHOULD WELCOME AN AUDIT TO CLEAR THEIR NAME IF THEY ARE CLEAN AND HONEST WITH THE MEMBERS.IF ALL ELSE FAILS GO DIRECTLY TO THE IRS AND REQUEST ACTION FROM THEM. IT'S REALLY SAD THAT IT HAS COME TO THIS,HOWEVER IF YOU DON'T DO SOMETHING NOW TO STOP ALL OF THESE ACTIONS,ROBERT AND THE EC WILL CONTINUE UNTIL THE TRIBE IS COMPLETELY BROKE.IF ANY OF YOU NEED LEGAL ADVISE PLEASE LET SOMEONE KNOW AND I WILL GET THAT FOR YOU.PLEASE PEOPLE DO NOT BE AFRAID TO TAKE THIS ACTION, IT WILL SAVE THE TRIBE. THANK YOU FOR CARING.
Good idea 3:56 pm. It's up to the people of the band to do something now, it seems like all federal law enforcement is just dragging their feet or they just don't give a shit about the Native American People.
Its time to rally together and demand that action be taken now, before it to late. Why do you think the BIA worker and the Tribes Gaming Attorney have abandon the Tribe.
I'll tell you why, Its because they know that they are close to being expose, and they don't want anything to tarnish there record and they don't want to be apart of the guilty party's in the actions of which they helped to create.
I found out some disturbing news today about the Pala School. Yesterday the school was put on lock down while the Sheriffs Dept looked for some wanted man.
The problem that I have is that know one notified the Parents of the Children that attend that School. My children couldn't even go to sleep last knight because of the Trauma that they went trough by having to hide under their desk. None of the parents were notified are left to deal with it. It was probably to much work for the School and the Tribe to call the Parents and advise them of the problem. This is going to be a big problem if it ever happens again because I will not stand for such treatment from the Tribe-the School or anyone else.
Where was the Pala Security, you know those lazy fucker with plastic badges. The ones that think that they are the Police Dept. Probably sleeping in their trucks across the river. This is a bunch of Shit. The parents need to find out more about way this school is run. I totally understand your concerns 8:03 pm.
@9:21 PM, The Tribal Security is hired to protect only certain people and not the School. Call the Valley Center Sheriff and see if they give you the answers that you are looking for. If they can't then call the FBI in Carlsbad and ask them. It is their jurisdiction being on Federal land.
I would contact the Bonsall School District and lodge a complaint with them. Schools on lockdown routinely send out a Robo Call to parents, find out why this wasnt done. This is the normal protocol for schools, since these things seem to be so commonplace in this day and age. You must let the school district know you are not pleased that they failed in their responsibility to protect your children! Unfortunate situation.
How did they fail. They had the students safely in their classrooms til everything was safe. Notifying parents wasn't a safety issue.
10:22 Its common sense, you need to modify the parents. That you don't get that tells me you are lacking basic human decency. I know that this was done when there was an incident at Valley Center last year, in fact, it was even on the news! After hearing you defend bad judgment, it makes me wonder what your true intentions are. You must really not want this incident to be made public. Im calling the news!
Stupid 1:29. Trying to make trouble where there doesn't need to be any. The children were protected on site first. The next step should have been parental notification. It's surprising that there wasn't already a policy in place by the school board.
Maybe the parents should have been notified not "modified".
Ask that fat fuck Robert Smith, isn't he on the school board. ok that explains it, he has his own set of rules for every thing, and everyone.
Smith is not only a bad Chairman, he is also a bad PR man for the community and neighboring Reservations. It's almost like we are
being force to deal with him, like it or not.
The school district won't do or say anything bad about any of this because the EC gives them too much money for hew busses and new construction at the schools, and it seem that the Children are second on the list. And that's terrible for a school to be so one way when the students are at risk. No matter what the district says, the school was wrong in not notifying the parents when this occurred. The parents have a right to know what's going on when there children are attending the school like it or not.
And people think that Day Care Centers are bad. Better check the Schools and the School Board members a little closer. And if you see the name Robert Smith on the list, forget it and keep looking for a better School.
Please 9th Circuit Court of Appeals with the Pala case hurry with your ruling so PalaREZ will shut the fuck up./This person is so disrespectful to the Elders of this Tribe. This person, Palarez has done a lot of harm to the Pala Reservation and its people that she should be disenrolled herself for slandering the Elders of the Tribe.
No matter what the issues is concerning the EC he/she ends up slandering the posters that have posted any negative post concerning the EC. He/she needs to go away and not be herd from again. PLEASE.
During a lockdown situation the primary concern is securing the campus and the safety of the students. A letter was sent home to parents the same day detailing what occurred.
Thank goodness, someone must have just not received that letter. I heard it was Lizzy's son, he was on the run since that accident he caused in the Pala Temecula Road in that corvette. Did they catch him? He is a real bad driver, but thank goodness he is okay and has people who care about him enough to make this all go away!
I Just received the agenda for the next Tribal Meeting and I is really troubling how this EC is working to get all the family members of MB off of the Rez. One by one, they are doing this. This time it's Gina Howard and Kenny Johnson. Who is next maybe your son or daughter that has pissed off the EC or their friends. Both of these people have ties to the Pala Reservation. Gina is the Daughter of Theresa Denver, and Kenney Johnson is the son of Barbara (Magee)Johnson who recently was buried here at Pala. She was the Daughter of Freda and Paul Magee. Don't let this happen to our own people. This is just another way for Robert Smith and the EC to gain more control over the people on the Reservation. Every person that is 18 yrs. or older needs to attend this meeting and stop R/S and the EC in their tracts.
The only thing that these two people are guilty of is standing up for their rights as a Pala Native, and for their Native Pride. If we, as a strong people, show this EC that the Control of this Tribe BELONGS TO THE GENERAL COUNCIL AND NOT THE EC, THIS WILL BE A BIG VICTORY FOR THE PALA INDIANS ON THIS CUPA RESERVATION.THIS IS THE RIGHT TIME TO STAND STRONG AGAINST THE WRONG DOINGS OF THE EC AND SHOW OUR PEOPLE THAT THE CORRUPTION END HERE AND NOW.IF WE DON'T STAND UP AND DEFEND THESE TWO PEOPLE YOU OR YOUR FAMILY MEMBERS COULD VERY WELL BE ON THE NEXT TRIBAL MEETING AGENDA.ARE YOU WILLING TO TAKE THAT CHANCE, OR DO WE STAND TALL AND STOP ALL OF THIS BULLSHIT ONCE AND FOR ALL.
RS is contacting his private security again to be in place at the meeting. Hoe chicken shit is this little pecker head anyway. Also it looks like RS just threw Howard Maxey under the bus AGAIN by having Maxey sigh the review of agenda for the meeting.
Be careful Howard and let RS do his own dirty work and stop being a dick blower and be a whistle blower instead. He will have everyone hating you instead of him, if you don't stand up to him.
Don't talk about private tribal business in public.
I guess it's not enough to disenroll her. He has to also try to keep them down. Why does he hate the britian descendants so much? This is ridiculous. The hate needs to stop. I'm sure he will never do it, but I wish he would just re enroll them. That way we won't be so divided. What negative could there possibly be to re enrolling them, compared to the positive?
Kenny Johnson and Gina (Denver) Howard?? I've known these people forever, and any one else who knows them knows these people have done no wrong. What have they done? Does anybody know why Howard Maxy wants them off our reservation?
Just go to the Meeting and vote no on the motion when it is made.
Stand up to the EC, and stand strong, this is very wrong to have this even put on the agenda.
Its not Howard Maxey that wants this done. It is Robert Smith and Nieto. They just threw Howard under the bus "AGAIN" by having him approve the Agenda for this Meeting. You know just like that special meeting that was called awhile back when RS. stated that he wasn't aware of the special meeting that was called by Howard Maxey. Same thing here, he is to chicken shit to do it on his own.
And one more thing, the banishment of Rolando Munoz. He was band one other time for the same reasons he is married to Melissa Smith, Goo's Daughter. Robert told the people at a meeting that they the EC
recommended that he be allowed back in Pala and that he has changed his life around and that he has children here in Pala. So the people at that meeting voted to let him come back to Pala and live and be close to his children and his wife. Now he and his wife are having problems and the easiest thing for her is to have him banded from Pala. This is a bunch of bullshit also. Why should the Tribe get involved with kind of problem. Let the Court have the say on this one this time, because it involves his children. And she is a very mean person. Now she wants her cousin Robert Smith to use his power to have him evicted. VOTE NO, we can't be taking this kind of actions against someone because the wife doesn't want her husband around. It's none of our business. This is the man that washes the vehicles here on the Rez and at the Admin Building.
I don't know how they can kick him out of Pala, being that he owns the property that he live on, and he has not committed any crimes or broken any laws. The biggest issue is that Robert Smith don't like it when they can't control everyone and every thing in Pala. So now he wants these two people gone and will probably lie to the General Council to get it approved.
This is Kenney Johnson i'm talking about. Frieda Magee's Grandson.
ENOUGH IS ENOUGH> VOTE NO ON THIS EVICTION< HE HAS STRONG FAMILY TIES ON THE RESERVATION.No matter what Robert Smith and the EC lie to you about.VOTE NO .................
Is there no other business in pala but evictions / banishments? The meeting should be motioned to cancel since there is no "tribal" business on the agenda, only personal vendetta's the E.C. wants the general council to carry out for them. That's a fine group of chickenshits you have there in Pala. Whats has happened to the good people of pala anyway?
So the Morongo Cahuilla Indian Howard Lugo wants the Luiseno and Cupeno off their own land.
It sure looks that way, Howard should be asked to show proof of warners ranch decendency or else get the fuck off the pala reservation
@ aug 28 3:34 PM
if you don't like to read the Truth go jump into a pile of DODO.
Does Howard even know where Warner's Ranch is? He probably thinks his homeland is Morongo.
How can they evict them with the appeals in the courts hands.
All Warners Ranch descendents attend the meeting and let these morongo/ cahuilla members know we've had enough of their bullshit
So Howard Maxcy is Robert Smith's puppet.... Is anyone really surprised? Hey Howard, go back to Banning. Maybe you can find some other Indians to remove there.
Wow Robert Smith washes his hand clean again all while crapping on Howard Maxcy. Hope the private jets and golf outings are worth it bud. What say you PalaRez? Did you have fun golfing last week with Howard? You guys gotta wipe the milk off your lips. Or is that milk?
This is a big bunch of BUKKSHIT, we need to talk about more important issues concerning the Tribe. This is all about the scare tactics of Robert and t. Nieto. They figure that this will keep people from questioning them and the bullshit decisions .I guess they don't care what the g
General Membership wants as long as they can keep every Tribal Member under their thumbs.
These two People did not commit ant crimes or break any laws, probably not even a traffic citation. And RS and Nieto want them gone.
Just vote "NO" at the meeting and take a stand against these greedy fuckers. If this was a fair Tribal EC, none of this "BULLSHIT" would be happening. The sad part of this whole thing is that these 2 stood up for their rights and are now being punished by the CORRUPT EC.
So that you care about your Tribe and take a stand against RS, Nieto and the rest of the EC that are afraid that they are close to being exposed for their wrong doings. Don't be a part of the problem, and be a part of the answer. Don't let Smith and Nieto "BULLSHIT" you anymore. Vote no on the eviction.
This "BITCH",T. Nieto needs to check her own closet before she starts cleaning out anyone else's. There is so much that the Tribe doesn't know about Theresa J. Nieto, it would make you wonder why she is not in the Federal prison system yet. But trust me when I say ,that it won't be to much longer until the ? comes and takes the 3 banditos away.
She really fools some of the Members and her Husband by trying to cover up her naughty secrets.
If her husband new what she did with Kilma on those long trips he would divorce her for sure.
To aug. 25@7:07
If they aren't trouble makers then what do you call them. From what you posted is the 2 of Lissy's son jumped 1 man from Rincon, sounds like they were looking for trouble. Whatever happened to the good ole 1 on 1 fight. I'll bet their not so tough that way. And then good ole uncle Robert wants to band this Rincon man from Pala, probably to protect lizzys sons from getting an ass whipping.OK then.
Tangled web. Lizard's sons fight with a Rincon guy. The Rincon guy is married to Lizards niece, a Bow. Lizard's sister Nona's daughter gets beat up by Rincon girls because Nona's daughter threw a bottle at a Lavato. Lizard's son causes a semi to flip over on Pala grade. Guys from Rincon come and shoot up Lizard's house. But the guy from Rincon is getting banned. Whew!
Don't band him until he takes out RS the chairman of some reservation somewhere in North San Diego county. After all he is the one that wants him band from Pala. So now The Rincon guy will have a beef with Robert Smith.
That goes to show it's not who you know, it's who you blow.
Sure is one big mess concerning 2 non trouble makers. Be clear Mr. Chappas it's not Howard Maxcy that's doing this to you, its Robert Smith and Theresa Nieto that are the guilty ones.
Do you know where they live.
Ya Brons, smith doesn't like you or your family, just ask anyone in Pala what RS said about you and your family.
I don't know if this true or not but word around the Rez is that Robert Smith paid $500 for some old lady to do him at the Hotel at Pala Casino Friday night, and that she wasn't the first one that he has paid to have hump him. What a piece of shit this guy is. If he has to go out and pay for sex when he is a married man, he must not be worth a shit in the sack or his wife isn't giving him any of that pie at home. Or maybe he is ,like that post said earlier, CHIEF LITTLE PEE PEE.
"CANCEL THE MEETING", ITS NOT TRIBAL BUSINESS, ITS A PERSONAL MATTER THAT HAS BEEN BREWING BETWEEN TRUTH,FACTS AND LIES THAT RS AND T NIETO
ARE SORE ABOUT BECAUSE THE TRUTH HURTS, AND THIS IS THE ONLY WAY THAT THEY DO THINGS ON THE EC,BESIDES MAKING YOU DIAAPPEAR AND BURING YOU WHERE THEIR ARE ENDANGERED PLANTS, LIKE THE OLD ASHLEY PROPERTY.
SO THE MEETING SHOULD BE CANCELED, THIS IS NOT TRIBAL BUSINESS, ITS PERSONAL BUSINESS.AND EVERYONE SAYS DON'T GET INVOLVED IN THERE PERSONAL BUSINESS.
Robert Smith and the Pala EC have no jurisdiction over non-members. Ken Johnson and Gina Howard don't have to obey the Band's laws since they aren't part of the Band. Also Ken Johnson was already evicted once. He used to live on Magee road in Peanut Magee's house. The twisted chairman had the house demolished after taking it away from him.
So what did Ken Johnson and Gina Howard do to Pala that would require eviction? Did they break any laws? Oh wait it doesn't matter if they broke any laws. They don't have to obey Pala's laws. Robert Smith disenrolled them so the Band has no authority over them.
This is just the coward's way of saying "Waaahhh, you won't kiss my ass after I ruined your life and trashed your family. Now I have to be mean to you and so does everyone else because I say so." As the maturity level descends into infancy, and the mighty chairman has decided to let the General Council does his dirty work. Are the people of Pala as petty, vindictive, and childish as their disgusting chairman? Or are there still some good people that remember when Ken Johnson ran for chairman and won except for the cheating election committee that stuffed the ballot box so Robert Smith would win.
Smith was at Las Vegas during that election bragging that he had it in the bag. He was right. Will there be a rigged vote at the meeting? Why don't you all go and support a good man, because Ken Johnson has helped a lot of people in Pala, unlike that repulsive and reprehensible criminal who calls himself the Chairman.
I was out riding around today up on magee rd. when I came across 4 people walking their dogs with leaches. So nosey me,I stopped and talked to one of the men and it turns out that they were training the dogs for finding dead things that have been dead for a long time. After I left I got thinking about some of the post here and on the other blog, post about that missing Scott man. And I remembered that it was mentioned that he may be buried on some property on magee rd.
However these people were a dog training school from some where in Texas. I just thought that that was kind of strange. Maybe I was tripping out for no reason. But where was the security people from the Reservation. No where around. Oh well, I am not a Tribal member but I live up on the Magee rd a ways so I was just a little surprised when they said that they were training the dogs to find dead things.
Response to 6:24 PM
The strange part of your post is that these same people told me almost the same thing, except that they were from Flagstaff Arizona
and that they had permission from the Pala Tribe to train their cadabor dogs around on magee rd. I also live at the end of Magee rd.
and to see these strange people around this area is a little freaky.
I think that maybe one us should go down and have a sit down with the Chairman of the Pala Tribe. Yesterday these people were all over the side of the hill side with shovels and rakes. They are for sure looking for something or someone.
RS is unbelievable!!! Such a bully
GUILTY OR NOT GUILTY??????????????????????????????????????????????????
You know what's really bad is that none of the Pala EC members have denied any of the charges against them, NONE.
Okay EC Members here is another question directly to you all.
If the Smith brothers,(Robert & Andrew) are NOT GUILTY of the MURDERS
that people say they committed, why haven't you defended your self of these crimes in any way? Why haven't you allowed or at least have some one come to the Reservation and investigate the missing Scott man. Why do the Pala Security Personal always post them selfs on 2 areas that are very suspect to the people in the surounding area. One
area is the George Ashley property on Magee rd.and the other area is
about 3 miles west on highway 76,just before the SDG&E power site.
They have NO BUSINESS on that part of the highway to began with.
They are always stopping people from going into these areas, both Tribal Members and non Members.
What is so important that Security needs to be on these sites all of the time. Why are paying them to do so?
Is that where Joe Scotts Remains are? I think that the FBI needs to search these 2 locations to see why the Security of the Pala Tribe is over stepping their boundry off of the Reservation, and getting paid to do so by the Pala Tribe. There is something being hidden at these 2 different locations. I just have an feeling deep down that I am right
on this and should notify the Feds myself, but am going to give the EC that chance first,to prove me wrong. Its almost like someone is directing me to the Ashley site and the pond off of highwasy 76.
Sorry Joe but your Cousins do seem to care enough about you. They still believe that their Buda Baby Smith would not do some thing like murdering you. We all know that that's bullshit. We know that he and Andrew did in fact do this to you and it will come out soon and everyone will know what kind of animals these two brothers really are. There will be justice for Joe Scott, one way or another. We will not give up until we find you and bring you home where you belong.
Now this group of dog trainers were at the gate of where the large pond is located of highway 76.
They are most certainly look for something, there was even a Sheriffs van down there with them.
If these dog trainers are looking for Joe Scott I am will to help them in any way I can. Remember if his remains are found their will be a murder investigation, and so far the only suspects are Robert Smith and his half brother Andrew Smith.
Fuck you Robert Smith, bring it one on one, you and me and see where you end up you worthless piece of shit. Remember I fucked you up once already and this time ill really fuck you up good. You and your Chicken shit 1/2 brother, Andrew .Neither one of you can fight or even make an attempt to defend your selfs. All you know what to do is cry like a little bitch Remember at the fiesta when I kicked you ass you little pussy and you ran to your mama crying, you fucken sissy.
Then your 1/2 brother got tough and he go knocked the fuck out with one punch, you guys aren't shit and you know it.So if you want Rincon to come down there and show you how chicken shit you really are, then lets do it, mother fucker.
No worries either way because we will catch one of you sooner or latter in town or at the Ball Games. But rest a sure we will be looking.
Does anyone know why their are scuba divers at the pond off of hwy 76 about 2-3 miles west of Pala. It looks as if they found something, they were putting something in a large plastic bag and putting it into a white van that was parked near by. The van had Calif. Excempt plates on it. Like the County offices use.
The only reason that Robert Smith is a Bully is because we are allowing him to BULLY.
@ 2:37 PM
I see that you call Andrew Smith his 1/2 Brother, is that because most people know that his Real Father was Daniel ?, the same man that Fathered Mia Boysclair. That's the Mexican guy that worked at the Agua Tibia Ranch, and was always at Genies in Pauma.
Andrew Smith and Mia Boysclair would be 1/2 Brother and Sister. I remember that rumor when it first started out about 30 + years ago.
Do you mean that the Rumors were true? That means that Andrew is not really a Smith so he has even less blood than everyone thought.
Very interesting, I will have to do some research and see what I can come up with.Why do you think Robert Paid for Her Funeral, for sure not out of the kindness of his heart, because he has no heart. Thats right he paid roughly $6000.00.
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