Thursday, June 5, 2008

Coming Soon: Another Crack in the Sovereignty Dam

Word is that at the beginning of next week, OR SOONER, there will be some news on court rulings against tribal disenrollment. Continued cracks in the dam of sovereignty, caused by Casino tribes who mistreat their people.

Stay tuned. This could help pending and upcoming lawsuits.

12 comments:

Anonymous said...

Cherokee Nation rolls out new Web sites

http://www.muskogeephoenix.com/local/local_story_156235556.html

The Cherokee and CPP are a real propaganda machine. They both will spend Millions of dollars to spread there lies.

O Pechanga said...

A lie is as good as the truth, if you can get someone to believe it.

Anonymous said...

Tribal governments that own and operate tribal casinos do not mistreat their own people. To correct their membership roll, however, tribal governments do disenroll individuals who have been improperly enrolled. These disenrollees therefore by definition cannot constitute a tribe's "own people." In fact, the disenrollees lack the tribal affiliation they once had. Put another way, the disenrollees have inadequate membership credentials. Hence, the disenrollees mislead themselves and others by claiming or suggesting otherwise. More accurately, the disenrollees possess the status of ordinary Americans who may or may not also trace Indian ancestry. In addition, some of the disenrolled individuals with Indian ancestry have become money-seeking Indians who want to affiliate with a tribe that owns a casino. These disenrollees cry to the contrary, yet their quest to gain (or regain) membership simply boils down to money-seeking. Citizens certainly must sense this intense disenrollee money-seeking behavior, and so tend to disregard the cosmic injustice the disenrollees assert they have suffered. The sharp negativity of the disenrollees also very likely must dull the interest of others. Please know, dear Reader, that the disenrollees tell a slanted story of their plight in order to recruit public sympathy. Finally, by longstanding doctrine, tribes determine their own membership in their own forum. The disenrollees cannot accept this doctrine or their fate. In turn, bitter, angry, and disappointed, the disenrollees lash out at tribal governments, tribal people (including old people), and tribal leadership. Shamelessly, the disenrollees blame their disenrollment both on tribal officials merely doing their job and on innocent others. In the end, though, the disenrollees remain forever external to the tribe that removed them from the membership roll. This internal tribal decision will never change.

O Pechanga said...

Anonymous has a point. Tribes do disenroll individuals.
In fact Pechanga had done it before, they disenrolled individuals that were not related to Manuela Miranda, who was an original Pechanga person.

The difference at Pechanga is the disenrolled en masse entire families that were proven Pechanga by the bands own hired expert. The Hunter family certainly didn't hire him.

While this anonymous poster is regurgitating the CPP's talking points, he is correct, that we are now external. But, as we say, Pechangas immunity does not equate to innocence of action.

And making sure that Pechanga's customer base knows what crimes they are capable of doing to their own people (expert proven) allows said customers to make a decision whether or not to support an enterprise of that nature.

Pechanga has no longstanding doctrine, but a Constitution and Bylaws, which the CPP has circumvented.

The Truth said...

Inadequate membership credentials? Such as affadavits from people LIVING with Paulina Hunter on the Pechanga Reservation? Versus somebody who says, "Somebody told me that they weren't Pechanga?" Please, Mr. B, don't try to pass that stuff off as the truth.
You just look silly

Truth said...

Come one OP, spill it. What is coming down?

pechanga blood since birth said...

What the about the people who are on Pechanga's illegal moritorium they have not even been able to prove they belong which some of them do 100% ,but they are being wrongfully kept out. When is Pechanga going to determine the futures of these people who have been wronged by them? Where is this longstanding doctrine? Where is this forum? All we know is that only a choice few got to be enrolled not that long ago during this illegal moritorium on all new enrollments because they were related to people on the enrollment committee! This is legal? This is how they determine their own membership?It is just becoming a club and my family has a Indian Civil Right to belong to it!I do not know who wrote the words, but I pray that those people will someday realize the havoc they have caused to so many in the past,present and future generations. Do they really think they can just ignore this problem that they have created. It will blow up in there faces in all four directions, something they try to pretend they know about (the four directions)if they really did no one would have to be writing here today and for many days to come.

Luiseno said...

Let us examine some of what Anonymous (aka E.B.)said...

1). "Tribal governments that own and operate tribal casinos do not mistreat their own people."

This is such a broad statement that I am sure we can discount it at face value, I am sure no one believes that they have never mistreated there own people.

2). "To correct their membership roll, however, tribal governments do disenroll individuals who have been improperly enrolled."

How about the wholesale removal of hundreds of members, families that have been recognised as members for hundreds of years.

3). "These disenrollees therefore by definition cannot constitute a tribe's "own people." In fact, the disenrollees lack the tribal affiliation they once had. Put another way, the disenrollees have inadequate membership credentials. Hence, the disenrollees mislead themselves and others by claiming or suggesting otherwise. More accurately, the disenrollees possess the status of ordinary Americans who may or may not also trace Indian ancestry."

Having a piece of paper stating membership is not enough, nor is having it on paper that we are no longer members make it true that we dont belong. The Hunters have been members of the tribe for over 100 years and have been recognised as such by tribal members who were there at the begining. My farther could out of anger state that "I am no longer s son of his", and throw me out of the house. And even though I might be treated as a non-member of my family dose not make a fact that I am not a member. I will always be Luiseno Temeclua Pechanga Indian no matter what others may say.

4) "In addition, some of the disenrolled individuals with Indian ancestry have become money-seeking Indians who want to affiliate with a tribe that owns a casino. These disenrollees cry to the contrary, yet their quest to gain (or regain) membership simply boils down to money-seeking."

I was a member before there was any casino, and I am sure when Paulina Hunter was a member there was no casino nor was there any money. It is the current membership that keeps bringing up the money issue, as it appears that this is what is of prime intrest to them.

5). "............ Shamelessly, the disenrollees blame their disenrollment both on tribal officials merely doing their job...."

Was it "there job" to hide behind closed doors guarded by armed guard, to stop all meetings and then to disregard the vote of the people to stop the disenrollements and disenroll the Hunters anyways?

stand your ground said...

Tribal official's where only doing their job!!!!!!!!Famous last words of Hitler's henchmen and killers. WE WHERE JUST DOING OUR JOB. CORRECTING OUR PAPERWORK.GETTING RID OF PEOPLE WHO DID'NT BELONG. Thats' how it all began and you corrupt lying and scheming tribal bastard's at Pechanga are actually doing the same thing. SHAME ON THOSE WHO ARE INVOLVED IN THIS, YOU ALL KNOW WHO YOU ARE. SHAME ON YOU.

Anonymous said...

If Anonymous is Ed B, he knows the Splinter Group was wrong when they tried to form their own government in the 1980's as he opposed their efforts.

But move forward to a new century and all of sudden Ed B sides with the so called Concerned Pechanga People (CPP) in their efforts to get rid of hundreds of long time tribal members.

Funny how the CPP has all of the same people who tried to form an illegal governemt in the 1980's, they are the Splinter Group.

It is also interesting that in 2002, at the grand opening of the Pechanga Resort and Casino hotel, that reportedly Ed B told members of the Hunter family that he was going to get more money, no matter what it takes.

Was Ed scouting out potential allies to help him get rid of other tribal members but when he discovered the Hunters were honest he sided with the CPP as with them was the best chance to get what he wanted, more money?

Anonymous said...

I would bet that before the casino..when the tribe needed to get money from the U.S. Government..they counted all the disenrolled as Indians...and probably tried to increase the members to get even more money from the U.S. Government ..the members that have been kicked out should start taking pictures of all the material things that these great Indians have bought with the money coming from the taxpayers pockets....like pictures of Macarro family houses etc...and bring up the facts..like the tribe members are getting close to 40 million a month in per capita..and does the reservation really look any different?..where is all this help that they say they are doing?..a few charities get some money so the get some good press..why don't you show how the outcasts are still living in poverty?..while the leaders are living on Millionaire row in Temecula?

Anonymous said...

Part of the disenrollment story that is not being told is how much the disenrolled themselves gave to charity when they were in the tribe.

I know of members of the Hunter family that gave more than 25,000 dollars a year to homeless shelters, disaster relief, Children's hospital, and other worthwhile organizations.

Pechanga gives 50000 dollars to some local group and they make a big deal out of it but the missing part of the story is that now that the disenrolled are cut off, many charities are also cut off of funds.

It wouldn't surprise me if the disenrolled, when they were in the tribe, gave more money to charity than the tribe itself!