UPDATE: The comment section is proving to be on of the biggest since the Snoqualmie issue. Take a look at the comments
Eight people have been ousted from the Pala Band of Mission Indians in North County, including a former leader of the tribe, because officials say they have determined the individuals did not have strong enough family ties to the tribe.
The eight individuals are members of the Freeman family, including King Freeman, former chairman of the tribe and owner of the Pala Store on Highway 76, and his son, Tony Freeman. A spokesman for the tribe said Tuesday that the dispute over the Freemans' membership in the tribe had been ongoing since 1989 and that it was an internal tribal matter.
"The courts have consistently held that membership issues are determined by the tribes," said Doug Elmets, a spokesman for Pala. OP: They all speak from the same script
The tribe ruled June 1 that the eight individuals did not have the minimum 1/16 Pala blood required to be members, Elmets said. They were given 30 days to appeal the decision, but they missed the deadline, Elmets said.
The 900-member tribe owns Pala Casino Resort and Spa, a large gambling resort complex, on Highway 76 about 15 miles north of Escondido.
Many tribes have "blood quantum laws" to determine membership. Those laws, introduced by the federal government in the 1930s, describe the degree of ancestry that is required to belong to a particular tribe.
King Freeman and his son, Tony, could not be reached for comment.
The ouster of the eight individuals from Pala is the latest in a string of disenrollments from local tribes. The Pechanga Band of Mission Indians, which owns a large hotel and casino complex near Temecula, has expelled about 240 members since 2004.
About 60 members of the San Pasqual Band of Mission Indians in Valley Center, which owns the Valley View Casino and Hotel, were expelled from the tribe earlier this year.
The disenrollments in Pechanga and San Pasqual were over questions of heritage, tribal leaders said. However, members of the ousted families allege they were kicked out for other reasons, including politics and greed. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments eliminated opposition voices, which allowed Council Members Mark Macarro, Andrew Masiel and Butch Murphy (who was adopted) to control power. Imagine eliminated 25% of Democratic votes. The GOP would gain and hold power.
One of the benefits of belonging to wealthy casino tribes is that members get a share of the gambling profits, which can total thousands of dollars a month. Fewer members can mean more money for individuals. OP: Pechanga's disenrollments accounts to THEFT of the per capita of the terminated members. That dollar amount has reached $1.4 MILLION from each terminated member.
King Freeman, a lifelong resident of the Pala reservation, served a total of 19 years as chairman of the tribal council and six years as vice chairman. His last term ended in 2001 OP: So, does anyone REALLY think that it's an issue of blood quantum?
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How is your truth real truth? And why you the only honest mo fo on this blog. I'm sure there is a lot of honest people on this blog. Camp away people !
(let me clarify, ugliest gross most obese ones are the lavatos)
Mo fo? Are you slow ho..
GET RID OF ALL SMITH AND LAVATOS! PALA WILL BE A MUCH FRIENDLIER AND LESS UGLY RESERVATION! ALL OF THEM
Well, if you, anonymous 11:11pm need proof of my facts, I will be more than happy to provide them to you. I will give you a hint on how to find the information, you'll have to do your own legwork. goto website: guidestar.org then put into the search menu "southern tribal chairman's association", look for 990 tax returns, and you can start to see what I see. You can do this for any non profit organization you want to see. Start there and maybe you will see the truth that I represent is based on fact, not fiction.
What did those lavatos do to you? Awwww it must have really hurted your feelings. All their obeseness got to you? That is weird.
GET RID OF KING FREEMAN AND GET RID OF THE CONTROVERSY. THEY NEED TO BE OUSTED. OH THEY ARE HEEEHEEEHEEE
For more of the truth about Robert Smiths personal enrichment, you can look at the website guidestar *dot* org where you will place your parameters into the search box. for starters, type the words "southern california tribal business alliance."
I know of at least 7 or eight organizations that he is involved with and is paid by, some are in excess of $30,000 per year, some as little as $3,000 per year. This has been going on for many years on some of these organizations.
He uses his position to enrich himself, his family and his followers. Anyone who comes on this blog and says otherwise is a RS supporter and will never admit to the truth. They will slander King by saying ridiculous things that are not based on truth.
I'm different, I have real facts. I know that there are others here who speak with a forked tongue, but they do so with the intention of protecting RS and his agenda, they want to distract EVERYONE from the real issues.
Mr. Nicole is that u
Yes, their obesity got to me, too many jabba the huts.
Children who come on here, please stay out! Your slandering is of no good. You have no legitimate arguements and no official documents to back what you say.
Go back to Mexico you Yaquis and let ALL US CUPA PEOPLE LIVE IN PEACE!!!!!!!! GO BACK to northern California Howard Dickstein and QUIT STEALING FROM ALL US CUPA PEOPLE.
Get one one of the THREE JETS YOU BOUGHT ROBERT SMITH AND FLY AWAY, QUIT STEALING FROM YOUR OWN CUPA PEOPLE!!!!!!
So true, but there is one of them who keeps refering to history repeating itself, although the rest of his/her slandering factless gibberish is easy to recognize, the history repeating itself comment is right on!.......history does repeat itself, and iam old enough to remember Marie Smith stleealing from the pala tribe. Now her son Robert Smith is doing the same thing. only on a much grander scale. It must be a gene pool, apple dosent fall far from the tree thing. History will repeat once again,as I remember, she was caught, and so will her son be, and then the people will see the true R.S.
Is it true the scotts were adopted into cupa? Because with all the families blood lines being brought up a few people have said the scotts are originally luiseno?.. But I have also heard of contridiction about other families not being able to do so? Im asking not accusing. But everything sounds like a mess and things should just let be like it was in the old days.. I hear too much bad things and it makes me sad to see and hear how pala is now dividing
Please ask at the next meeting if Robert Smith is paying for his own personal bodygaurds out of his own pocket, or at tribal members' expense! (tribal expense) OUR money.
"The Scotts are originally Luiseno"...
Please go look up some history. The original tribe at Pala was Luiseno. Did you miss that part of the history where the government didn't care about tribes affiliation with each other and called everyone "Mission" and moved everyone around to different reservations on top of the history of how the tribes purposely intermarried?
The Cupeno (along with the other tribes moved) were moved TO Pala...they were not originally FROM Pala. There was a tribe that was established at Pala before 1903.
Here the text of a book called Picturesque Pala published 1916. It has a lot of history and information.
http://www.archive.org/stream/picturesquepala00jamerich/picturesquepala00jamerich_djvu.txt
Ok, thanks. But were other families denied to boost their pala blood? Because I was told they couldnt, like the lugos, I think they said, and another family?
At the beginning of this thread 'aamokat (September 6, 2011 7:28 AM) asked "What constitutes a Pala Indian?" Now is a good time to answer that question.
It is all up to the tribal council, right? The elected officials can say whatever they want. Do you think that if history puts a tribe on a reservation that over 100 years later an elected council should be able to start splitting everyone apart? How dose that work in your opinion?
By the way, if you read that post...'aamokat knew that Pala was originally Luiseno. Glad to know that someone knows the history.
Better yet, read Pala's culture and history section of their own website.
http://www.palatribe.com/cupa-cultural-center/history-and-culture-1
Read the whole thing though. Second paragraph from the bottom starts: The Cupeño were finally moved to a small reservation at the Luiseño village of Pala in May of 1903.
"Congress passed the appropriation bill, made the purchase, May 27, 1902, setting the land aside as a permanent reservation. The Indian Department, therefore, ordered the immediate transfer of the Indians from Palatingua, as well as small bands from Puerta de la Cruz, Puerta Chiquita, San Jose, San Felipe and Mataguaya—tiny settlements on the fringe of Warner's Ranch and who were made parties to the ejectment suit—to Pala."~Picturesque Pala pages 49-50.
How do you count Pala blood? How many tribes is that now listed as being at Pala or moved to Pala by force?
"Once a established in their new villages, the Cupeño began founding a new tradition rooted in the Cahuilla tradition but changed by an intricate interaction with the peoples around them. They intermarried widely, and many Cupeño belong to lineages that claim to have Luiseño, Diegueño, and Cahuilla ancestry."~ Pala Tribe History & Culture website
(second section)
http://www.palatribe.com/cupa-cultural-center/history-and-culture-1
Why is every down on mexicans? My family the Trujillo have a lot of relatives a,ll over go on face book and you will see. Pala is full of them they have all jobs and you can see almost every one is hooking up with them.
Hello, not one family on the Rez can say they are Mexican free hahaha aha. What would the drug people do without them? The Pala Rez is becoming the Mexican Rez.
ANYWAYS! Why did anyone even bring up the scotts? their nobody around here!! HAHAHA My grandparents even told my they are related to those fucking freemans! HAHAHA! They are just mad because WE took over this reservation!!!
The Trujillo family are Mexican?
Sounds like the dope feinds are awake!. Your grand parents were probably not from pala, everyone knows the scotts get their cupa blood from vivian banks,( trujillo ). So that makes them related to every last one of margarita's decendents and there are alot of them. So you have taken over pala rez? No wonder its in the shape its in, used to be a rez looked up too. NOT ANY MORE!
And stop taking credit for something HOWARD DICKSTIEN has worked overtime to do. HOWARD DICKSTIEN has taken over the pala rez and their casino
Hey anonymous 12:36 pm are u one of those lavatos yeah i bet u are typical chicken shit lavato talk.always talkin shit on all pala family's.the lavatos act like their full blood indians.your grandparents are wetbacks fuckin Mexicans
Are the 120 people still going to get kicked out of the pala tribe does anyone know.
Its hard to tell right now since the executive committee is corrupt
ms anonymous shit talking bitch michelle cagey!!! fuckin little bitch!!! the next time you go on here slandering families and peoples names you pussy ass little bitch make sure your fuckin drunk ass doesnt run around talkin shit and letting people know its your mouth running! you fuckin little punk BITCH!!!!
Why is it hard to see how everyone is wet back Mexican that runs Pala everyone that I know has mexican blood.Who ever hates mexicans I bet has just as much wet back blood also don!t be ashamed of it.!!! even King Freeman is mostly mexican or setback how ever you see them. And white etc. And so what!!!!
Trujillio is wetback and shit there is one in every family they breed like the wetbacks shit there s no getting rid of them! Roaches anyway! Snip time ,birth control, then they like to blame people about being the dad! How many cases is there . He's the dad there the dads then you do DNA and find out no one is the dad ? What is that about? They are wetbacks true blue!
How can no one be the dad? Everyone has a dad.
None of the people they blame are the fathers
There goes the children with their B.S! Just a bunch of TRASH out of their identical ass to mouth FACE!
And you don't like it
So, if the ones these fat fucks keep talkin shit about (whites/mexicans) got wind of their shit talk out of their rat infested shit mouths and stopped donating their money to the casino, than these rat infested shit mouthed fat fucks would would be crying around to disenroll a hundred more from another family besides theirs to make up their money loss after the whites and mexicans they feel better than stop coming in. dirty scavengers
Ok Melissa Freeman I know this is your mutt ass talking shit. Don't hide
You think only one person would feel that way about you! Haha! Your more hated than you think!! So go inbreed some more
Your full blood? Yea FULL OF SHIT!
Fuck you michelle cagey
Someones got nerve to say someones hiding, after what we've been seeing we do believe they got their facts mixed up. Just like all their other facts!
Actually, I spoke with a certain somebody this morning who said they havent even bothered to look on here in days. Your over your fat heads
Goto Guidestar.org to see more truth about the real "greedy" one.
Type into the search menu "California Business Alliance" and see how much your chairman made in (2008-$24,000), (2009-$24,000) and (2010-$30,000). There's your personal enrichment. There's your greed. California Tribal Business Alliance is at Dickstein's/Elmet's/Friedman's offices on J street in Sacramento.
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I'll stop when you stop, Bob.
OK, SOMEONE PLEASE ANSWER ME THIS, WITH THE WAY THESE PAPERS TO VOTE ARE SET UP, HOW ARE WE SAFE TO ASSUME THAT THEY CANT EASILY BE SWITCHED OUT BEFORE GETTING THE VOTES COUNTED!!? PLEASE ANSWER SOMEBODY!! THESE VOTES CAN BE EASILY FIXED!!
The underworld of dickstein is too complex for most to understand, it would take a strong influential family member of their own to convince them, but those ones are in on it and would never go against their million plus dollar lawyer. but when his multi-million dollar investments of the tribes money falls through, like similiar tribes' did, only then will they get their too late wake up call
Better watch the post office by rob smiths house all night!they can switch votes!!!!if it hasn't been done yet.That is why smith wanted that post office,cause he couldn't switch them at the official post office!!
That's obserd
There were rumors floating around a few years ago that he had paid people to cast vote, either with drugs, beer or money. Those were never substantiated. I also heard that he has a key to the post office (PMB), since the tribe owns the post office. That was also never substantiated. There will be no way to truly insure that he didn't do these things and the tribe will have to request a BIA review or a BIA audit of all votes. We know that Amy Dutschke, Pacific Regional Director of the BIA, is his personal friend, that her niece, Sara Dutschke Setshwaelo, may be the attorney advising the tribe on the "disenrollments", which is a huge ***shock***.
If that is true, it would explain why the BIA is dragging it's feet with the appeal.
If I were Robert, I'd cut my losses and just stop all his and Leroy's hateful actions and rescind all their disenrollment letters before they destroy the tribe.
I dont trust the votes, I dont. This is all too coincidental... Can we please do something to make sure we're not getting scammed?
The eight member from kings family that got kick out of the pala tribe get to vote on Nov.22
Do the 120 people that got letters can they still vote are they still members can someone tell me plz
Make a request by the b.i.a to check the votes!!
California Tribal Business Alliance is located in Sacramento @ "J" Street, the same offices location of Howard Dickstein and Jane Zerbi, Doug Elmets, Mark Friedman and other influential people in the casino gaming industry. These people are also connected to Arlen Opper. They all have ties to the Maloof family, of the Sacramento Kings, but I digress.
The point is, the California Tribal Business Alliance is well funded by the Pala Band of Mission Indians. Public records show that the tribe donated the following:
$150,000 - 2/9/11
$6,500 - 1/28/11
$6,500 - 5/5/2009
$6,500 - 01/21/2010
$6,000 - 02/08/2007
$6,000 - 02/22/2008
$5,600 - 02/04/2005
$1,000,000 - 09/15/2004
$5,300.00 - 10/25/2004
($5,300.00) - 11/05/2004 (a refund!)
If you want to see more, goto: http://cal-access.sos.ca.gov/Campaign/Committees/Detail.aspx?id=1242839&view=contributions&session=2011
I dont get it, is that a good or bad thing?
Robert Smith is all about personal enrichment. He received $30,000 in 2010 from this organization, $24,000 in 2009 and $24,000 in 2008, so depending on whether you are Robert Smith or not, it could be good or bad. There are many organizations who pay him handsomely for sitting on a board of directors, I found about 6 or 7. Most people don't know he receives all these monies from different sources and his group of supporters have been saying that King is greedy, but when you see the real picture, Robert is the greedy one. He has about 10 cars (some which might be given to him via the Pala Raceway sponsorships), and everyone else can only afford 2 or 3 cars, so I guess he must be getting alot of supplemental income. So I guess it is good if you are him!
I havent seen anything of dicksteins past turning out good for anybody else but his self so far, so im guessing it would mean, its a bad thing.
Try this website. It links businesses with Pala, Turk, Dickstein and so on. Just keep clicking around to see who is involved with who.
http://www.corporationwiki.com/California/Pala/robert-smith/46566282.aspx
Can someone tell us why the person giving the guide on how to look up stuff won't go to our triibal meeting's to tell what they know? I think if every one new what was going on even his backer's would change there ugly ways. I say stop calling everyone down and win there support. Hate to say it that way but that's how smart people do it.....Of couse people worried about there race probably can't see it that way or none indian's. Is it really about the money or do we want our people to stay on the roll''s is it to late to work something out? won't get anywhere by being so negative all the time.
I'm hopeful that all this information coming out benefits the tribe as a whole. Some of it is new to us. A lot of stuff has been looked up since the news broke about United Auburn Tribe was posted and prompted some of us to go look up Howard Dickstein.
(http://www.originalpechanga.com/2011/11/united-auburn-tribe-split-over-payment.html#links)
If you haven't read this please do it and see if you like what it says.
(http://www.scribd.com/doc/58910785/Rumsey-Band-Rancheria-vs-Howard-Dickstein)
Is this what you want in the Tribe? This kind of business?
Just remember to think of Howard Dickstein's Ferrari when you don't get your bonus this year!
(http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/object/article?f=/c/a/2007/05/06/MTG6VPLH761.DTL&object=%2Fc%2Fpictures%2F2007%2F05%2F06%2Fmt_motorxxferraritour_16541.jpg)
Sorry, read the article too.
http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2007/05/06/MTG6VPLH761.DTL
One of my favorite parts is: "These cars cost $270,484 each and they are not easy to get. Those who want them frequently have to wait a while -- up to years -- to get one. But not Howard Dickstein, a Sacramento lawyer who has been driving Ferraris for more than 10 years and is on good enough terms with the San Francisco dealer that he can get a new car almost the way you can buy a new Honda Civic, which means right now."
and: "Dickstein, 62, has a law practice representing a number of California Indian tribes. With him on Ferrari day was his wife, Jeannine English, a member of the California State Bar Board of Governors. She drives an Aston Martin Vantage."
What the hell are you serious? Im not one of the few trying to wake up people. But I was curious and looked into a little bit, and IT IS MAKING ME WONDER WHATS REALLY GOING ON!! Are you Robert or howard dickstein changing the subject away because you know its easier for most people to fight over petty things instead of a more complex issue? Ever stop to think the people questioning it is trying to gain numbers to push for answers?! They cant do it as a few, they would be dis-regarded, you know that! but it cant be ignored if everyone screams for the answers! There is nothing ugly about it! Its not black and white there is a gray area!! Catch up already!!
Im sorry, but I think we're being played as pawns. The name calling and side taking has drained out of me when I think of everything else, I feel like a fool now.
Watch the right hand so you don't see what the left hand is doing.
ALL MEMBERS OF THE PALA TRIBE DONT FORGET TO VOTE ON NOV 22 .KEVIN,GINA,TONY,CHERYL,JACKIE.KEITH,MIA,LOUANN DONT FORGET TO VOTE OH YEAH U ARE NOT MEMBERS.HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA
Shut the fuck up little up girl. It does nothing now. Its petty talk from an immature little mutt.
Fuck u Nicole and rotten leg. Gross does that leg stink gross very gross.just like your aunt alexis he he he he and a ha ha ha ha ha
This mutt is a tribal member so fuck u. Ha ha ha ha. Yeah it is great to be member .
The children dont like it when the adults are talking. Its past your bed time little one! Stop interrupting,
fuck you
Mel lavato u changed the papers.and u know it.. what nephew ru voting for. Leave the trujillo alone.
Your still a pathetic little mutt bitch, no ones cares if your a tribal member so long as you can only speak with the maturity level of a caveman. Good for you tribal member your still nothing. And whos the idiot talking shit on nicole and chicky? They are more respected and educated than you could ever even try to be!
More on the personal enrichment of Robert Smith through his various positions:
California Indian Manpower Consortium, located in Sacramento, CA paid your local leader:
Robert Smith
2008 - $2,700
2009 - $2,550
2010 - $1,350
Shelia Smith-Lopez - also is being groomed to learn the ways of his Pala tricks, em, er, politics. The California Indian Manpower Consortium paid her:
2008 - $1,200
2009 - $1,800
2010 - $1,650
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Southern California Tribal Chairmen's Association was the highest grossing non-profit in Valley Center in 2010.
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A company in Pala called "TWO DIRECTIONS" contracted with them and received the following:
2010 $741,073
2009 $731,912
2008 $741,471
That's an awful lot of money, Ms. Arviso!
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Friends of Robert Smith benefit in every way by association:
Ed Arviso received from SCTCA:
2008-$11,500
2009-$ 6,500
2010-$ 5,000
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Denis Turner has been heard saying that the Rancho Luna Mia is "his ranch." It might as well be, he's got a sweet deal going there. Does anyone know how much he pays to utilize that property? I know the property taxes on those lots are extremely high. I saw that on the tax website that the tribe was late on their payments for several properties and they had to pay $15,767.85 instead of $14,325.32.
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Speaking of paying the taxes late, that happened on several properties. They paid them all with penalties on 5/10/11, with a whopping penalty of $26,800.70. I know, it's nickel and dimes to many of you, but in the business world, that is a huge error when you are worried about the bottom line.
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Speaking of the bottom line, did anyone see the three netjets that the tribe owns? Dickstein did the same thing over at Rumsey and he and Paula Lorenzo got caught!
Everytime the tribe uses the jet, it costs about:
Total Variable Costs/Hour: 1,154.11
When Robert Smith uses these jets for his personal usage (personal enrichment) or his friends and family use these jets, I want to know what part of the budget are they taking this money out of?
There was a one time buy in for this jet (Price ranges from $5 - $12 million for a Cessna Citation XL), then they pay Netjets a monthly fee, and they pay a usage fee, so where is the money coming from?
I read at the Rumsey Vs. Dickstein lawsuit that Dickstein's practice was to control usage of the jets at his offices, the scheduling was done through his aides, and the tribe was not allowed to control that side, but they paid the bill. Dickstein got in trouble because he had used the jets for his personal entertainment, flying to Monte Carlo or wherever, and the tribe made him pay them back. The only way the people of Pala will ever know the truth is to remove the people who are allowing the tribe to be run like a circus, demand a forensic audit, and fire a few people. To see the jets, you can goto:
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/Name_Results.aspx?Nametxt=PALA+BAND&sort_option=1&PageNo=1
Well, remember, it's your money and you can do with it what you want, you can be wise and secure the future or you can let Robert and his buddies enrich themselves and run the tribe into the ground.
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You stop Bob and I'll stop
Here is the link you can go to to reweiw pala's constitution/ tribal laws, http:// toilet paper roller @. Excutive comittie bathroom.com
GOOD ONE!! BECAUSE THE EXECUTIVE COMMITTEE ARE PEICES OF SHIT!!! (LINK TOILET PAPER @ BATHROOM) LOL!
I just got a phone call while I was at work and you know what? YOU FUCKED UP NOW BITCHES!
Is this a real blog
ssss those lavatos sure did it again now tha haters can really talk!!!! Plz now if u got proof submit it so u can prove everyone wrong u so desire but obviously u ppl dont got none thts y u cant submit the birth certificate suk it up n get the fuk over it allready u been living lies for how long!!!!! Get rid of trujillos n freemans pala will b better place!!!
To hell wit tha haters!!!!!
Already submitted. Where have you been?
How does leroy run with an arrest record ? Sounds like a law suit ready to happen.
This is great. Indian puppets whose strings are being pulled by master Jewish attorneys. Look at yourselves jumping,running and stooping as each string is pulled to lead you into self-genocide. It is sad to see Jewish people who hide behind the holocaust do exactly the same thing to Indians. You guys need to wake up and realize what fools you are to have your emotions manipulated so these master race Jews can become richer than they already are. Am I being racist? No. They are being racist by singling out Indians as their target population for ultimate destruction and extinction. So talk on and continue with your circular firing squad. Somewhere behind you is a Jew laughing at you. Does the shoe fit Howard.
the holocaust, genicide, correct me if im wrong but people have to be killed right not just the question of blood degree.
Now Wiilie Pink you can come out now and tell what you know about Palas tribal affairs. You need to stiop hiding behind Pachanga. If you have so much proof on everything step out bully.
Genocide can be defined in this case as "getting rid of", not necessarily implying as being 'killed' as you say. Be careful with your accusations for they can be libel.
The only Freeman being talked about is King. If he has the proof than good for him. Its just ashame what he's been doing bringing down the whole flock because his kids are out. "ITS KING FREEMAN'S FAULT". He created his own greed and misery. He kicked all those people to the curb.
DID THE BIA APROVE THE PAPER WORK SUBMITTED.DO THE 120 GET TO STAY PALA MEMBERS.
pink thinks he knows everything--every rez he has been on he has caused trouble! pechanga people have alot to thank him for!! that is why he hides out there.
Wake up anonymous12:59 p.m. The B.I.A will never see the paperwork handed in by the 120 britten decendents. They, the excutive committe, will tell them they reviewed it and then pull out a 1928 california indian judgement roll application, NOT THE 1913 PALA ALLOTMENT ROLL, and tell them their OUT. Of course they will blame others for their failure to abide by our constitution .... see anonymous 12:32 p.m. above, but others are not disenrolling members , THEY ARE !! This is how Dickstien writes it up, less tribal members to pay the more for him. Robert Smith and the rest of the excutive committe are in a bit of a bind here, they have told eight they are out because margirita britten was only 1/2 cupa , to allow the 120 to stay they would be admitting she was 4/4 cupa," as tribal records indicate". But 1/2 for eight and 4/4 for 120 is a genetic impossibility so it will be interesting to see what they do.....of course whatever way they go rest assured it will be someone else's fault.
Its not kings fault for anything. Leave him the fuck alone already. And hes never even been on this fuckin site and doesnt even know what little or fat bitch has been saying... Blame game, throw your blame game card, everyone knows what type of people you are so no one cares what you say. And from what I was told, while this came about someone looking for a copy to submit found AN ORIGINAL TO PROVE THEIR SIDE!! So shut the fuck up already and learn to smile miserable face.
What is that you said Rocinda. You are half Yaqui. Are you sure? You are sure. Thank you for your testimony. Yes it will be published in Mulu Wetam. Is it okay if we share the video tape of you saying you are half Yaqui? Thank you. Yes we will be sure that the tape is made available to the Cultural Center.
Hey bitches accusing king of bullshit, can you prove it? If not than you can be sued for slander or libel, and hiding behind anonymous wont help you, the law can go into the computer system to track you, and who was it that accused a girl of being a hot mess? Of being in a crazy house for cutting herself? Of not knowing who her father is? Of stabbing or jacking someone up with a razor? Who helped who kill a boy? Whos a theif theif theif? ETC. ETC... LAWSUIT!!! You cant sue us because we have documents witnesses and visual/hearing of your appearence and words. Keep it up 'hate mailers' Thank you.
A birth certificate for a woman born in 1850?, and born in indian country? Before california was a state?.. Heres a " NEWS FLASH " for you NEVERMIND, 2:10 a,m. .... It does not exisist, and you wont find one for any of your ancestors born in that time period , unless of corse they were born outside of indian country in a city of a state already in the union..... That was hilarious!
Thats right anonymous 7:35pm, they have been doing nothing on here but shit talk against our facts of documents. Fuck them.
Ya we kno wat we r u fukin idiots yes yaqui indians shit no ones try to hide tht or discredit it were proud of it!!!!u guys shld make copies of video n distribute it to ALL THA MEMBERS N YES KING DID START IT LIVING A LIE. SHOOT GET IT THRU UR HEAD QUIT BLAMEING EVERY ONE!!! Its happening for a reason get over it allready quit crying around!!!!
if u kno ur facts then y is it half ur people think tht there is a birth certificate and the other half say there is not one.get the story straight.yes people kno that they have sum yaqui but that dont make um full.what idiots!!and answer this if she was 4/4 how is it genetically possible for all of um to b 1/16? its not thats the facts!!
Prove king started it!! While this site is being investigated as we speak!! Prove it other than gossip!! Then prove the tribe dropped the yaqui blood like the b.i.a. suggested pala to do so!! Shut the fuck up with your bullshit already!! Everyone now knows your full of shit!! No one is fooled by your nonsense no longer and you are making fools of yourself!! Documents from long ago were submitted research has been proven in favor of the family so GET OVER IT!!
Read this whole site over, nobody claimed a birth certificate, so shut the fuck up with your accusations and contradicting words.
EVERYONE KNOWS WHO'S WRITTING THIS BULLCRAP (MELISSA FREEMAN) THA SAME ONE WHO RUNS HER MOUTH AND DONT HAVE BALLS ENOUGH TO SAY IT TO NO ONES FACE CAN ONLY PUT IT ON BLOG,HAHAHA HOW SAD SHE'S NOT EVEN A TRIBAL MEMBER. MAKES US FEEL BETTER KNOWING YOU GOT NOTHING BETTER TO DO BUT TALK BOUT EVERYONES FAMILY. THANK YOU VERY MUCH WE FEEL LOVED HATERS!!!!!
Happy Thanksgiving every one hope you all are in good spirits!!
Melissa only a mother could love something like you be happy not mad !!!!!p
Again, read this whole blog, you must not have because if you did you would know the ones with no balls to say it to someones face, is the one who knows who it is and cant approach, not the one who doesnt know who to approach because their anonymous and wont step up. Happy thanksgiving
But they still have no answer on their situation and accusations, they can only name call.
I can't think of a better way to start the holiday with a little insightful reading. Let me see, here's something interesting. Here's an excerpt from the "Rumsey vs. Dickstein" case, in a section which discusses Dickstein and Opper:
"For example, they involved the Tribe in complicated investments or transactions in which the business terms were more favorable to others than they were to the Tribe. Many such deals were fraught with self-dealing and conflicts of interest they failed to disclose. In addition, Dickstein and Opper used (or allowed others to use) Tribal assets for personal purposes without reimbursement, and they failed to advise the Tribe's governing body, the Tribal Council, of the full extent of their compensation, even when specifically asked. In the final analysis, the Tribe's former trusted counsel and investment advisor literally fed off the Tribes financial success, or allowed others to do so, without the Tribal Council's knowledge and approval."
Patterns and practices (of deception) are what you are seeing in all the tribes who deal with Dickstein. His corrupt tribal leaders are taught to protect his interest. Have you ever received a straight answer about his contract? Why has his contract never been presented to the people as part of the budget? Where is the money coming from? Is there a hidden form of dealing with these backside transactions, so that we are never made aware of the truth? Come on people, show me some sense! Haven't you ever wondered exactly how much we are paying Dickstein? Gee, people, fighting about your petty stuff really shows where you are mentally, so please try to focus and see the writing on the wall!
Blaming this person or that person is only feeding into their plan. Be vigilant, be aware. I have alot more to share and I hope I have a captive audience. I'm not King, Melissa or Pink, as you people speculate. I do truly care about the future of the tribe, and things don't look good to me at all from what little I have seen. You need to wise up and start asking the hard questions.
Question #1 - How much is Howard Dickstein paid a month by the tribe and how is he paid?
Good luck trying to find the answer, Robert will probably never tell.
Happy Thanksgiving to EVERYONE! Desendants of Margarita,never give up your fight for Justice and what is Right by all the Elders who came before.GOD BLESS YOU!
Wow!!! I just saw the birth certificate. It is hard to read because it is in Spanish but it says Sylverio Nolasquez was born in Mexico and that his mother was spanish (white) but it didn't list her name. Who got this. It came from Sonora, Mexico? - THANK YOU THANK YOU THANK YOU.
Wow! And I have your birth certificate right here that says you were born in the philipines... Lol! Please... Lol..
to anonymous who claims yaqui and is proud of it, good for you! Rocinda was. Never be ashamed of your heritage. But a couple of questions;, How is it that her yaqui blood that came into play a generation before her is not evident anywhere? By her admission she stated cupeno and yaqui, so why and how is it she shows up on the 1913 pala alottment rolls as 4/4 cupeno when she was not. ?Now should that be viewed as living a lie?? Should all her decendents enrolled based on this obvious mistake be viewed as thieves, thieves, thieves ? And is there not a degree of greed when family members enroll their children and grandchildren knowing the blood is not there? Maybe instead of pointing fingers and making baseless accusations , a good long look in the mirror is in order here. I dont know, just throwing it out there.
I hear a lot of passionate argument here. That seems normal when we engage in something meaningful, but I have a question. I hope someone will honestly answer.
If blood is the determining measure, aren't you then committing yourselves to only tribal intermarriage, or if not, risking diluting yourselves out of the bloodlines? Simple math.
I remember when we were all poor and there was more sharing and less of mine!.... mine!!.. mine!!!
It was always mine mine mine !!!
quit talking shit on the ancestors they'll be visiting you soon..
Ya they will too. They act like people didn't know the elders specially the last of the removals that lived till the end ! Then they decide to do dirt after that. Chicken shits had to wait until they all died to decide to pull shit and they sure did pull some shit! That's where they messed up now it is catching up to them! AND THEY ARE MAD NOW IT'S THEIR FAULT!
the trujillos are descendants of sheep herders lol
....and there were farmers, hunters, cookers, washers and so on and so forth... What was your sheep herder point?......
And the ones pulling some shit today looks like things will be cathing up to THEM soon!! It will catch up to you eventually, you corrupt, and fake full bloods, wishing they were as tough as they act but are fat pussies, blame game acting fools!! We all know your hiding something about yourselves and thats why you fight so hard (but sound so stupi) to try to get this family out! Thats why you've always avoided the questions on YOUR family! No one is fooled by you no longer. The family has the proof you were hoping they didnt, your ashamed to admit your wrong so you have been doing nothing else but immature name calling that doesnt even make sense, tell your children to stop arguing for you on here it makes you look even more worse than you are. And what will you do when the evidence on your certain family members blood puts them up for disenrollment? Probably use your un-original tactics of BLAMING someone else, right?... "its their fault"... "L o l".
Yeah leroy, quit talking shit on the ancestors! In the after life you will be alone, disowned, an outcast by your own.... As it should be today
That's your opinion not mine.
What happened I thought this was Pechanga blog I'm tired of hearing about Pala
All u idiots we kno our blood line and we dont got shit to hide hahaha jokes on u.. no ones fighting but you guys causeing all the drama for what if you got proof..hahaha quit blameing our family its not our fault. Our family was told from the start..quit fightin prove ur shit so the conflicts over.
Please let Pachanga have there blog back who cares about Pala and there drama.
First of all, you sound like a broken record, and finally...no one really cares anymore what you hatefuls say, you've shown everyone on here your basically full of shit, its been proven time and time again on here, but your either too stupid or too ignorant to realize that. Get a life.
Well if this is sounding like a broken record maybe You should get a life! You are probably reading this blog too much. So
And as for full of shit well Pala tribe has records they are abiding by obviously. There is nothing more anyone can say what is there is there. There is nothing anyone can do about it so take it As that. Stop being so spiteful
First of all. I think certain people are forgetting that A certain LAVATO years ago dropped the blood line for you you hateful people! Hey aren't the freemans and trujillos related dang! Swallow that idiots but you ne'er claim us huh. Shit. Talking all that crap but yet your cousins! Bobby should have left you without nothing! But instead he cares enough and passed the bloodline to be dropped! And still your not happy. All I'm saying is you prove your KUPA or NOT it's very simple. And another thing quit talking shit on Rocinda u fuckn ungratefuls she was a respectful woman who taugh us well! Your mad bcuz we have the blood and you don't! That's the truth!
So let me make myself CLEAR! trujillos and lavats are related and freemans too! Ha ha ha I bet u like that huh. Isn't king god son of a Lavato? And isn't margratia related to lavatos??? Stupid ass people. But this hole time all crap you talk you didn't bring that up huh! Wow
Everyone knows that but shit growing up the Freemans never once claimed the lavatos. The Grand kids of king wouldn't be caught dead claiming the lavato because they didn't fit their good looks the lavatos where to ugly to be their relatives. Everyone grew up with everyone and some of my friends would say the Freemans claimed they didnt know them . So what is that about. Only till now they will claim them. Of course to their benefit , when you see Tasha Moro , Cheranne Maho , Travis Moro, Brianna freeman, the brothers shit they don't say hey what's up cousins shit they look at you like their shit don't stink. And then they talk about how sloppy they dress. So if I where these people keep it 100% the same as it has always been.
Oh ya plus they are too obese to these people to be claimed. You know that kings people are nice and fit and they are so attractive like white people. But then you look at the older ones and they have a lot of wrinkles crow feet just the way white people age. The obese lavatos still have no wrinkles and there faces are not dried out they have oily skin just like natives in the old days. They have Indian bodies. Not to be mean but there is a lot of difference between these people for being related. Oh ya they are 3xs darker too!
That's what I'm saying if it wasn't for our family the lavatos and all branches off that lol they wouldn't even b enrolled! Shit talking about my Rocinda like that they got nerve and balls! So shut the fuck up Smelly crazy in the head Melissa or should i say cousin Melissa shut your smelling breath up we know it's you talking shit say it to our damn faces! Oh wait u can't cuz will 86 you Hahahaha were members not you! Yauqi to that! Jealous aren't u! we know what we are and proud at that! for more extra info were only a drop yauqi try 16th and 11 32nd like most of u that got booted out :) or less :) sorry to burst your bubble :)
quit talking hateful shit motherfuckers go to the lavatos and say to their fat faces if you have so much shit to say all you guys do is sit on your flat asses n talk your shit behind a computer screen, their will be a meeting next week so go talk your shit to all the familys you guys keep dogging, n you people are ugly by the words you say you may be pretty n cute on the outside but your ugly hearts n ways make you people look ugly.. n in my eyes it aint about whos drker or prettier or skinnier we were all made the same in gods eyes, only god can judge so it sounds like you people only run your mouths like chicken shits you people are.. shame on this reservation to be talking about one another the way you people do,and once again keep your mouths off the ancestors if it wasnt for them none of us would be here dumb fucks!!
Lol point proven no discredits any thing but the freemans n trujillos they forget or should i say try too.
Ya meeting there is where you can say all want you want to the obese to the beautiful say what you really want. Dont look at them and act like you don't feel the way you do. If I where the lavatos I would never give you people a chance again. That chance is being treated like a real human being! But you people will look at them and say " hiiiii how you doing" and some just will smile all crooked looking all fake! That is why you say shit on them they shit on you!
Hey single idiot talkin shit like a fake bad ass, put all your shit together as a whole and quit making it appear as though a gang of bitches are stepping up to sound semi-intelligant (but still hateful) and quit trying to sound tough bitch since no one around here sees your bitch ass coming up face to face bitch and im willing to bet you wouldnt have the balls to step up like you havent been all these past months! Theres only one true blood bad ass waiting for a mother fucker bitch! And it aint you chump! Ugly obese hateful shit talker..
And its hard at a meeting to speak when you loud mouths constantly scream at the top of your to drown out whos saying what bitch.
Oooh, related?? Thats how you treat family? Your pitifully dusgusting... Blahhh
P.s. Bitch.. Ugly on the inside? You must've never have met some of these disgusting lavatos.
Oh so hard! So all you want to do is tell them off , will that make you people feel better? Will that resolve the issue? Omg, and Melissa we know that is you as anonymous now you are the only really smart one in this whole wide world so intelligent so smart your IQ is out of this world. You just need to stop blogging on this where all the stupid low life people blog! Ha ha ha ha
"ha ha ha" you still think people fall for shit pussy ass 'coyote' nobody gives a fuck because its 'you', your scum, and your ignorance is not bliss but pathetic. Step up, I did not see you driving around looking for bitch, alone. And I dont have a son named johnny yelling at me that I make him ashamed to ne a lavato. Now what bitch.
Baby doll I'm a Lavato and honey I'm FINE and beautiful lol so what now! And bets believe there's alot of us that are georgous! ;) so shut up! come up or shut up Hahahaha bitchessss. You all just mad! That's all has nothing to do with us if you were smart damn!
Oh but your so hard!! Anonymous!!
Step up to who fuckin idiot!? think your tough bitch put out a nane and wait for someone!! Think your tough punk bitch!!
Honey baby they bitches, none would put out a name.
Shut up Melissa before you get 86 were TRIBAL MEMBERS OK I know you it's hard for you to understand
Oh yes honey plz put ur name on here talkin tuff n no one kno who u r so how r u gunna wait for sumtin u sound so smart.sum Might b big but were still SEXY. Rather b big then look whit bitch!!!
Try 86ng someone for their costitutional right bitch! Step up or shut up is what you were once told, last week, now you think your hard because you just used it. Fuck you pussy.
MELISSA MELISS MELISSA
Try putting out your name? Bitch, read the whole blog stupid bitch. Did you or your bitch ass relatices put out a bame bitch?
Put yours on here lol what u think were stupied? Hahahaha
How about one of yours? We have one of ours pussy
Put yours on here lol what u think were stupied? Hahahaha
I go beyond your rez, dont underestimate me.
U dont have "1"?
dumb ass ppl
Again don't put your name Melissa will go crazy not knowing she just guesses. Ha
Just dont let no one lie its you and you'll have no problems...
And one doesnt go crazy over this bullshit site, one will do anything to physically protect ones family.
Crazy! H h haaaa
Crazy? Are you sure? Prove it.
Your "crazy" accusations are overated. Get a life.
its a dog eat dog rez, you guys are a pathetic reservation hahaha airing all your tribes laundry how sad...
Thats 'them'...
Thank you someone finally can see what a joke the Pachanga BLOG has been reading all Palas garbage who cares what there problems are.
THANK YOU HATERS FOR LOVEING THESE FAT ASS (YAQUI) LAVATO BITCHS AS U SAY!!!
Yuk!! Thank you lavato bloggers for showing your arrogance!! Barf..
They think name avoidance protects them from a lawsuit, they've been spoiled ignorant, soveirenty doesnt protect them from libel and slander.
Dont forget to tell the obese they are a joke to think they are "sexy" lol are they blind?
We should sue you for slander you guys started this blog about lavatos.blameing blameing
Barf well quit reading this shit then all of you are pathetic.JUDGING AIN'T NO BODY HAVE ROOM TO TALK
Ya if nobody read this shit Pala would have more sander against them. And nobody would even know!! That is how sneaky non members do!!!
Even more sneaky to think you can talk shit simply because you a tribal member, trick!
Amen only god can judge let it be he'll deal wit it sooner or later. U can hate n call us down all u want its ok.
yes, only ONE judge, God. But I wouldnt follow that up with the "H" word. Make sense?..
OH ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE THE VICTIMS NOW? BLAMING WHO? AFTER ALL THIS CONSTANT ITS "THEIR FAULT" "ITS THEIR OWN FAULT" "ITS HIS FAULT" AND NOW ALL OF A SUDDEN YOU ARE VICTIM OF FAULT. GET A LIFE REAL CRY BABIES.
"im a tribal member im a tribal member..." ooooooh. your a joke.
Happy I could say I am tribal member it feels so good! Don't have to call people names.
fuck all you pala people your all fat nd ugly n mixed breeds hahahaha fuckin losers
everybodys not on here running there big ass mouths cuz they all got paid hahaha n no this aint melissas punk ass either
u sound so stupid learn ur facts.hahahaha..u mad cuz ur times up.lol
STILL, PALA...
you people are all materialistic, all you think about is who looks good n whos the fattest n ugliest haha there you people are driving high class cars n acting like your shit dont stink hahaha so what it looke like is family feuds n a bunch of bullshit..
hey cunt who feels so good to say im a tribal member... IM A FUCKEN TRIBAL MEMBER TOO BITCH, JUST NOT PALA BUT ONLY YOU GIVE A DAMN CONCEITED CUNT! and no, this aint that anonymous punk bitch ass either
Yes and I'm proud to be a Pachanga tribal member it's nice to be native. Real natives have respect for all rezer's.
They do if there is something in it for them.
Thank you
Pachanga want's to thank everyone that was trashing our Blog up with discusting drama.
This article should be removed, it did no good for anybody.
lol I would rather be light skinned, in shape, and free of heart disease and diabetes than obese and dark, and also, obese people can't have wrinkles because their skin is being pulled too tight to accommodate the fat underneath, so don't be thinking you have "nice, wrinkle free skin"!!!!..rediculous how these people think being dark and obese is what it takes to be a "native". get real and hop on a treadmill if you're so concerned with those freeman people and how they look!
Who cares what u would rather be. And for those Freemans there is no one conceded about them! They are concerned about obese people!
Discusting drama? Who the hell invented this whole blog ? Those ones are the drama! Why invent this and then say drama?
And your concerned over every one else's private matters. And continued with the nonsense on here.
****How many people know about this???****
Here is a filing from the SEC (Securities and Exchange Commission), which shows that Pala paid $77 MILLION Dollars to Anchor Gaming over a 3-4 year period!
Tell me, tribal members, do you remember authorizing this in your budget???
"Pala Management Contract
On December 23, 2001, we entered into an agreement with the Pala Band of Mission Indians (Pala) and Jerome H. Turk to sell our interest in the management agreement for the Pala Casino in San Diego, California. The transaction was completed during the quarter ended March 30, 2002. Pala paid us $77.0 million, consisting of $14.0 million in cash and $63.0 million by delivery of a subordinated secured promissory note on which interest began to accrue effective January 1, 2002. The note requires monthly principal payments of $875,000 plus accrued interest through January 2005, at which
time a balloon payment of $31.5 million is due and payable. The promissory note bears interest at 6% for the first year, 7% for the subsequent year, and 8% for the final year."
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(more on this can be found at: http://www.secinfo.com/daPkn.31.htm
you will need to scroll down to see the details, this is all matter of public record
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Wow, tribal members, you got reamed on this deal! Continue your squabbling over mindless things, I can see Dickstein and Smith have the upper hand with you. It's time to grow up, tribal members, and realize you are part of a multi-milion dollar corporation, which will fail, if you do not start asking the tough questions that need to be asked!!!
There are some childish comments on this matter,sounds like some high school girls bathroom arguments going on.Don't lose sight of the fact that the executive/ enrollment committee are wrongfully,unjustly Disenrolling members who have the right to be enrolled! These people will one day have to answer for their actions!
They are not going to still disenroll the 120 members from pala are they.can someone tell me plz
An original document was found in their favor
Ahahaha an original document as in the words of fat black greasy Pala peeps, how ugly hahaha
That made no sense.
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What's up peeps how's it going.. its a new year n new war hahaha
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