Wednesday, June 17, 2015

BIA ADMITS to Having Documents in San Pasqual Membership Dispute

Last week, we discussed the BIA's despicable Amy Dutschke and her lack of effort in handling the San Pasqual membership matter.  In fact, she was part of the problem in this continuing saga. There were FOIA requests that revealed some interesting things.  Click the link above to read about it.

The have been new developments, the San Pasqual people have heard from Assistant Regional Director Dale Risling (hopefully meaning Dutschke has recused herself)

On a Facebook posting to the true San Pasqual people, attorney Alexandra McIntosh described the situation:

On October 1, 2014, I received a telephone call from Robert Eben. He had me on speaker with himself, Frances Muncy and Mr. Smith at Riverside. He was going to ask me for additional time in which to answer the FOIA about notice. However, they realized they had no documents I requested . . . only 3 pages. Also, we received through FOIA the letter sent February 2006 from Sacramento to Washington D.C. So, I suggested to Mr. Risling that Riverside has already had the documents, the ONLY thing that needs to be done is for Sacramento to provide the 48.9 notice. He didn't know about our FOIA. So, I have e-mailed him the documents . . .that includes the letter from Riverside TO Sacramento, as well as the letter from Sacramento TO Washington, in which the descendants did not get their 48.9 notice. He said that he will get back to me this week. Hang tight everyone, we ARE on the right path.

The Sacramento office needs to act, since the Riverside office has done their part.  Congratulations to the true San Pasqual and their attorney, Alexandra McIntosh

STAY TUNED..

94 comments:

Anonymous said...

That's fantastic what she has accomplished for her clients. She should stop worrying about Disenrolling other Members and focus her attention on getting her clients enrolled. Her objective is to disenroll 80% of the Tribe so her Clients can take over. If this weren't her agenda I would support it 100%. Hopefully when members are enrolled they have a different objective than a money hungry Lawyer.

Anonymous said...

This attitude is what causes animosity between the Tribe and potential Members. The Members would never vote to potentially Disenroll themselves.

Anonymous said...

What are you smoking, Trasks, Lawson, Toler, Herrera? The descendants were already enrolled, why don't you recognize them, allow them to vote and pay them their per capita payments? All you have to do is recognize the descendants.

Anonymous said...

If it doesn't fit you must acquit! If you don't have San Pasqual blood, you don't belong enrolled. Why blame the lawyer, Alto, she didn't disenroll you, it was Allen Lawson, your political croney that worked to keep out the true San Pasqual descendants when they were enrolled in 2005. You did everything you could to keep us out and you know you did!

Anonymous said...

Yeah! Fuck the Altos!!

Anonymous said...

The descendants were never enrolled. To get enrolled in San Pasqual you have to be approved by the Secretary of Interior. Never seen it.

Anonymous said...

Already talking about per capita. It's more than that Lineal.

Very Anonymous said...

Altos, per capita, Lawson ? What happened to heritage? You are here because your ancestors. Stop arguing, complaining and just go to court. If you belong, then you belong, if you don't belong get the f out.

Anonymous said...

I agreen 100 percent

Anonymous said...

Yeah fuck the Altos. They don't belong!!

Anonymous said...

What happens when the court orders Altos have a legitimate reason in the tribe?

Anonymous said...

Nothing. Fuck the Altos.

Anonymous said...

Well we know one thing. The Alto's don't belong. They descend from a Mexican and was taken in by Jose Juan's cousin, Maria Alto.

We know that the Trask's do not belong because they descend from Frank Trask, WHITE, and a Mesa Grande half blood.

Stay tuned.

Is it about per capita? Is it about participation in tribal government? Is it about birthright? Is it about being San Pasqual? It is about all of it. Don't be foolish.

Anonymous said...

Yeah. The Altos don't belong! Fuck em!!

Anonymous said...

Relax Lineals. You'll have your time.

Anonymous said...

Bunch of ignorant people. Thirty years old and you think you know what San Pasqual is.? I bet Heroine told you. You dumbfuck.

Anonymous said...

I apologize the leader Humaay Quisquis is not on heroine. He sells crystal meth to all the youngsters at San Pasqual. And that's no lie. I hope everyone gets enrolled. But not by this piece of shit.

Anonymous said...

Everyone in the tribe decends from other people besides the blood parent. Dumbfuck.

Anonymous said...

FWD:...many factors to every equation. Here's one for you, the family from San Pasqual who are trying to enroll themselves through an enrollment ordinance are currently looking to disenroll every other family on the San Pasqual Reservation. This family continues to threaten the Tribe as well as every Tribal Member who is not in their family. Their cry for Justice has a hidden agenda. The Leaders of this family have gigantic egos and will threaten if they don't get their way. They have done it before. San Juan Capistrano, the Juaneno's. The Belardes family was a faction at San Juan Capistrano and because of their arrogance and selfishness the Band lost ALL federal recognition. While this may not seem the objective at San Pasqual the probability of having the same outcome is very real. Be careful what you support. Could be the beginning of the end of us

Anonymous said...

Hummay Quisquis is a Belardes, He will follow in is Grandfather Raymond Belardes footsteps. Always got to be on top, while the whole thing crumbles away. The way of the righteous. The San Pasqual people will be taken apart just like The Juanenos. So sad.

Anonymous said...

Hahahaha! Huumaay in charge? You guys just don't get it. This has nothing to do with Huumaay. This has nothing to do with Juanenos. This has to do with due process and the rights of the Jose Juan descendants. All of you who talk otherwise are just trying to muddy the waters. If you have San Pasqual blood and belong, you have nothing to worry about. If like Lawson, Toler and Herrera, and you have NO San Pasqual blood, then you never belonged in the first place. If you have been disenrolled like the Alto's, and you never belonged, you are right where you should be; disenrolled. You guys are a joke.

Anonymous said...

If its only about due Process and enrolling Jose Juan Descendants, Why IN THE HELL does the Facebook page REZTALK NOT have one piece of paper about JOSE JUAN DESCENDANTS but continues to attack every family on the Reservation. Seems like there's a HIDDEN agenda to me. AND EVERYONE KNOWS WHAT IT IS. YOU ARE NOT FOOLING ANY OF US.

Anonymous said...

Hey Hunters!! Being disenrolled is probably one of the hardest thing a Native has to go through in his entire. If you had a chance to do it all over again wouldn't you fight with everything you have? Would you have spoken up more? Maybe attack before being attacked? The Jose Juan Descendants are not fighting for their heritage, they are not even fighting to be INDIAN. They are children of enrolled members. They did not loose there homes on the reservation, they didn't loose their per capita(never enrolled),they did not loose their JOBS, they didn't loose their Identity of being Native. They should have their due process but the Leaders within the group have a different Agenda. There are 276 members of the SAN PASQUAL BAND. There are only 15 actual tribal members that want to enroll the Lineals. Reason being, if 150 members are enrolled they can overthrow tribal government and enroll whomever they like. this is the Agenda and the TRIBE knows it.IT will not happen. Check out REZTALK on FACEBOOK and you can see for yourself. Try to find some documents about JOSE JUAN MARTINEZ and their DUE PROCESS. How's that for muddying the water?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous 9:55? Why should any of us have to worry about anything? Are you planning a Great Attack. Your cover is blown. Its to try and kick out everyone who is not a JOSE JUAN DESCENDANT. I don't think the BIA is going to join you in your master plan. Too bad, so sad.

Geronimo said...

Yall need to focus in exposing the corrupted. Frances Muncy, Amy Dutchske, question their authority, make FOIA reqests. Question EVERYTHING and maybe the agencies will get the attention by congress. Don't let them intimadate you, yall are stronger than a BIA eatablished by whites and their assimilation process (Disenrollment).

Anonymous said...

Yeah BIA has no power. HAHAHAHA.

Anonymous said...

The stuff written in this comment section is garbage. It's really clear the Alto's are on the attack and as usual don't know a damn thing. Can't point to anything. Want to blame everyone for their current positions. It is a joke. The Jose Juan descendants wanting everyone out? Get a clue, buddy. Not the case at all. Like someone posted earlier, if you have San Pasqual blood, you should be enrolled. If you don't, you shouldn't. It is as simple as that.

Anonymous said...

Alto's are out. You must not be in the circle of trust? Maybe you didn't get a memo on the Agenda of the Leaders of the Jose Juan Descendants. I thought this Blog was about natives who have been disenrolled? The dishonesty is tremendous. Acting as if an entire family has been persecuted. Using the Media to further your Agenda, trying to make people care. In the end you spit on everyone. BIA is going to throw it out and then what are you going to do? Nothing. Just sit and wait for the blood to be lowered. Its a big waste of time.

Anonymous said...

1:11 p.m. Blood doesn't need to be lowered. There is more than enough for enrollment of Jose Juan descendants. You are the one wasting your time! Your fear is clear, though!

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

If Amy Dutschke has recused herself and Dale Risling is making the decision then there is a good chance he will properly apply the enrollment requirements and issue a favorable response to the appeal. This is in the best interests of the tribe. The laws must be upheld and applied equally and fairly to all.

Anonymous said...

So, you've seen the documentation Reinstatement? How likely will they change a decision that they have decided on multiple times previously and to Change a blood quantum because of paperwork in 1850's... ..on the appeal, I would assume that it will be available to them but they still have to provide proof of not just lineage but degree of blood.....will justice be served even if they don't get enrolled? It all about due process.

Alexandra McIntosh said...

Having reviewed the FOIA response dated May 27, 2015, from Amy Dutschke, the documents the tribe and the BIA have relied on to state the Jose Juan descendants do not possess sufficient blood to be enrolled a total of 2 documents. This does not include an 'anonymous' letter that had 3 pages of completely incorrect and impeachable information attached to it. I can state that I have gathered over 5000 pages of historical research, this includes 2 full cases of certified documents. There are NUMEROUS documents that give Jose Juan's blood degree. Have they been released on Reztalk? No. Have they been shown to the descendants, yes. Am I going to post them on the internet to satisfy you all? No. The wheels of justice grind slowly but surely . . . . . .

Alexandra McIntosh said...

By the way, the Appeal is NOT to have them change the blood degree. The appeal is to correct the procedures, or lack of procedure, the enrollment had while in the hands of Amy Dutschke. Ms. Dutschke failed to give the mandated 48.9 notice for the Jose Juan descendants to submit their documents. For the record, having more than 5000 pages of San Pasqual documents, I can assure you there have not been, as stated by Anonymous at 2:07 p.m., requests for blood correction multiple times. This is the first. I can state that with certainty because I have all of the historical documents.

Alexandra McIntosh said...

Reinstatement_Restitution, I wish your good comments were the case. Having reviewed all of the documents, I can state with complete certainty, the tribe followed the mandates of 25 CFR 48.7. While their work is sloppy, and incorrect, the Superintendent Riverside followed the mandates of 48.8. When Amy Dutschke, Sacramento, then Acting Regional Director, got a hold of the enrollment documents, she made mis-statements (lies) in her letter to Washington D.C., AND more importantly, failed to give due process rights under 25 CFR 49.9. It is some of the most incompetent work I have found to date. When I spoke to Mr. Risling, he figured out quickly that he had the hot potato, when he realized he didn't know I had in my possession the file obtained through the FOIA. The incompetence at Sacramento is incredible. So, what is to be decided on appeal, did Amy Dutschke violate 48.9 and deprive the true San Pasqual descendants their due process rights, thereby. YES she did.

Anonymous said...

all u guys are real dumbos nothings gonna happen bia is not going 2 do anything but keep sending u response after response.also last I heard the altos were still enrolled and still in court and that allen Lawson still chairmen.also McIntosh u will still be in the same position u are now 10 yrs from now still not having ure clients enrolled.trust me.

Anonymous said...

Whatever Anonymous 5:31 p.m. Keep talkin' and showin' your ignorance/

Anonymous said...

Hope you succeed but it still doesn't take away Hummaay Quisquis selling drugs to the youth on the reservation and the Hidden Agenda. Hope you can resolve these issues so the tribe can move forward.

Anonymous said...

Wow, Anonymous 531. You r an ignorant slob. Delusional. You an Alto, Lawson, Toler, Herrera, Stewart? Whatever dude you will see. G

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Alexandra, I do think Dale Risling will issue a favorable decision on the appeal. He does seem to have a desire to follow the regulations, and the notification is required. As far as blood degree changes, that is not under appeal.

Now it would be really good if people understood the issues at dispute. It seems no amount of explanation will suffice.

Anonymous said...

Why isn't blood degree changes under appeal? What is under appeal?

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

The clients of Alexandra McIntosh have filed an appeal to the BIA citing lack of due process and failure to issue notice under the requirements of 25 CAR 48.8. The notice they seek is a decision on their enrollment status, over which the BIA has authority.

I don't know if there is an open appeal on blood degree determination. I am not one of the appellants, and my interest is in the manner in which the BIA handles this direct allegation of failure to provide due notice. Although the regulations require notice, this could be considered a case of civil rights violation. Just having this issue of due process provisions in the spotlight might be a game changer.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Sorry, that is 25 C.F.R. 48.8.

Anonymous said...

Ill discuss the San Pasqual issues that are in dispute.
Firstly there is a family named the Altos who have been in court since 2011. They were disenrolled by the tribe however the San Pasqual Constitution states that enrollment is determined by the Secretary of Interior. The argument Is that Marcus Alto was adopted. The AS-IA Echohawk proclaims that the biological Father was Mexican and the man who raised him was San Pasqual Indian. These two different men have the exact same name. Not logical. The decision was given on January 2011 and is under APA review in Federal Court. The Tribe is not a party in the suit.

The other San Pasqual dispute is a tribal meeting that took place with one person from the Business Comittee and a faction of the tribe. Their argument is that the tribe acted as a whole and enrolled 150 descendants. Regardless if the faction enrolled them, enrollment is determined by the Secretary of Interior. The BIA determined they did not meet the criteria.The Tribe sent letters denying their enrollment but were not sent letters from the BIA. They don't believe this was satisfactory. That is the reason for the protests and name calling of BIA officials. The lawyer of this group represents one actual tribal member and numerous lineal descendants. She also is in a sexual relationship with one of her clients which may be her drive to someday line her pockets with per capita. This is realative because it shows her professionalism.

Another Dispute at San Pasqual is the Chairman of the tribe and how his family obtained membership in the San Pasqual Band. Looking at the Solicitors reasoning, they were determined members because of their total indian blood and did not follow the Band's Constitution on determining Membership, which states Blood of the Band.

There are many issues on the San Pasqual Reservation and if members are not willing to comprimise it could end up a disaster. Look at the Juaneno's. Same family. Same problems. No comprimise. They are right and everyone else is wrong. That's not the type of leadership that any tribe should want

Anonymous said...

I heard the BIA is going to say that the Statue of Limitations have run out. NO valid legal course of action. Need to reapply for membership.

Anonymous said...

Please check out REZTALK on Facebook . Some of the worst journalism anyone has ever seen. Everything is out of context and misinterpreted. They continue to vigorously say they have enough San Pasqual Blood for membership. The attorney says they have 5000 documents and NOT ONE document has made it on REZTALKs Facebook page. A page meant to promote their membership. I wonder if they are hiding these documents on purpose or what are their real intentions. Check out REZTALK on Facebook. NOT ONE FAMILY DOCUMENT.

Anonymous said...

How can OTHERS support Jose Juan descendants when they have shown zero evidence. I don't they are clear about their objective. For instance, they praise the BIA former AS-IA Larry Echohawk for disenrolling the Alto family, but demean other BIA officials who worked in there job capacity. ECHOHAWK took bribes and he was relieved of his duties. Obama Administration made him go away. He worked for the BIA for a short amount of time. The people on REZTALK on Facebook praise this man for his dishonesty but aggressively attack every other BIA official on a personal, not professional level. Like I said, no clear objective. I do not believe the BIA is too worried about San Pasqual issues because their fiduciary responsibility is for Tribal Members not applicants.

Anonymous said...

We don't have to show anything.

Anonymous said...

Then shut up about your case. If you dont want to show your proof then you are a lost cause. Stop pleading your case when none of the San Pasqual Constitution pertains to anybody on any reservation exempt San Pasqual. Tired of your whining.

Anonymous said...

On REZTALK Facebook page they are asking the BIA for a 2015 California Judgement Roll. This makes completely zero sense. Not even enrolled and they want the US Government to give out Per Capita. For what? Where would the money come from? Why? Not even concievable. This is what the Attorney McIntosh is advising them? Silly Lawyer.

Anonymous said...

Very interesting 2:55 p.m. and after.

Alto's, google, John Peabody Harrington Smithsonian. Then click on Microfilm 3, click on Reel 169, Go to 33/49, Slide 2, Page 2.
1925 interview of Maria Alto. The Alto ancestor was adopted and not a San Pasqual Indian. No tribe's not a suit because BIA have the power over enrollment. They never should have been enrolled in the first place and that is why they were disenrolled. Trask's, just google Trask family history, clearly they were squatters and have no San Pasqual blood. You have missed the postings on Reztalk about the rest. 2015 judgment roll? Ha, what a joke. You have no clue. 48.9.

Anonymous said...

Shut up about our case? F)*% you. We will never stop.

Anonymous said...

awesome. shows we are moving in the right direction and exposing ignorance

Anonymous said...

Yeah, lots of ignorance. Maybe REZTALK needs to reread the constitution. Firstly, there was an illigitimate Tribal Meeting with one Business Comittee Member and a small faction of the tribe. The enrollment for the 2005 was never on the Agenda. That cannot be voted on. Also enrollment is approved or disapproved by the BIA not the tribe.
The descendants were never included on a supplemental roll so that discludes them from receiving back pay per capita. It has taken 10 years to appeal a decision that should have been appealed immediately. If there was evidence in 2005 why wouldn't the descendants appeal? Why wait 10 years? They may have enough evidence now but they could have just reapplied to the San Pasqual enrollment committee. If they did that though they wouldn't need a lawyer. I think the family took 100 extra steps that didn't need to be taken. Good luck

Anonymous said...

If they are San Pasqual Descendants and have proof then they shouldn't be denied. That's why the BIA has decision over San Pasqual enrollment. Because San Pasqual has been incompetent.

Anonymous said...

im lost why are the altos still tribal if they were kicked out of the tribe and also what if judge over rules echo hawks decision do they get back in and with back pay.

Anonymous said...

Altos will always be San Pasqual regardless of what anyone says.

Anonymous said...

Angela McNeil you are an ignorant beast. This isn't about the Alto's stop writing your drivel.

Anonymous said...

Im sorry 7:46 pm. It's about everyone who is San Pasqual. We are going to disenroll everyone who doesn't belong.

Anonymous said...

Who's Angela McNeil?

Anonymous said...

Angela Mcneal is a former Secretary of the San Pasqual Band. She was the one who involved the Bureau in the corruptness of Chairman Lawson and his money laundering scheme, She also is the one that involved the FBI when Victoria Diaz was stealing tens of thousands of dollars from the Tribe, It was later thrown out because she claimed sovereignty. She also is the one who had her home transported to the reservation and was burnt to the ground, a terrorist act, by Hummaay QuisQuis and the Belardes family. You weren't there Ms. Alexandra McIntosh. You and your drivel.

See Right Through You said...

??? Angela McNeal you were the one that believed Allen Lawson. You gave your vote and allowed him to disenroll your family. You were the one that voted against the descendants. You were the one that was not a San Pasqual Indian but was so quick to condemn those that ARE. If as you say you did all of these things, not a damn thing happened, did it? They are all still there and you are not and life goes on. And, why would you spew all of this bull$%#^, this is not about the Alto's, is it?!? Just be sure you take your drivel and google John Peabody Harrington Smithsonian. Then go to manuscripts and microfilm. When you get to Microfilm, be sure that you click on Southern California and Basin, Volume 3. Once you get there go to Reel 169. Go to slide 33/49 and you find where Maria Alto is interviewed by John Peabody Harrington in 1925, "Marcus Alto is Maria's adopted son, lives at Escondido with his wife and 4 children." So you just remember that Angela McNeal. For all the fighting against the true San Pasqual you did; for all the brown nosing you did; for all of the poison you spewed then and now; it did no damn good. You don't have San Pasqual blood, never did and never will. The issue pertaining to this blog is not about you, not about the Alto's, not about anything you have to talk about. Go pray until your knees are raw, you need it.

Anonymous said...

Anonymous, June 21, 4:04 p.m. NOPE

Anonymous said...

If it's not about the Altos, you should probably stop talking about them. EVERY post on this Blog you have brought them up. Thank you kindly Ms. McIntosh.

Anonymous said...

Drivel, drivel, drivel.

Anonymous said...

Angela McNeil has nothing better to do than try and bash the Jose Juan descendants and their attorney. Drivel, drivel, drivel is right. Looks like you got the memo to your attorney, the U.S. Attorney and to the Bureau. Got called out Angela McNeil? Exposed Angela McNeil. Ha! Knew it wouldn't take your hatred long to expose yourself. Yep, go pray until your knees are raw. It won't make you a better person. We all know it won't take away the despicable things you did to the true San Pasqual. Your soul is black, which shows here every day.

Anonymous said...

What happened to Reztalk Back? Exposed that you are an idiot and not a San Pasqual. Stop embarrassing yourself Angela. We all know its you. Go away.

Anonymous said...

OMG. Angela go away. Its clear you care about us. We totally don't care about you or your family.

Anonymous said...

I guess will see. Keep your eyes open. No one's going anywhere.

Anonymous said...

This may be a dumb question, but how come the tribe doesn't enroll the Jose Juan descendants?

Anonymous said...

They are afraid if they enrolled these true San Pasqual Indians they will lose their power.

Anonymous said...

That's a fact.

Anonymous said...

BIA decision coming today!!

Anonymous said...

You know what's funny is that in 10 years this page will still be up but rolls will be reversed.Jose Juan Descendants will be disenrolling 80% of the Tribe and somehow that's OK. SMH.

Anonymous said...

Yeah? 10 years? More like 10 days foo.

ToyPurIna said...

Message to Anonymoud 7:16 - I can almost swear this is Dave Toler... Listen you son Of a *** bcuz she was a bitch. ... What happens in REZTALK stays in REZTALK. And a Judgment Roll can always happen for a fail trust responsability by the BIA. Not even smart. You white trash, I mean Trask. .... ALSO, Beware of Alexandra, rumors say she is a fighter and she will embaraased ur white ass in court. The day that the Trask's have to be escorted out of the REZ, I will request to be there.

Anonymous said...

Judgement Roll cannot happen. It was ruled in Federal court that the government has no obligation to non members or applicants. Trust responsibility is for Federally Recognized members. Sorry to bust your bubble.

Anonymous said...

You guys need to calm down. All of you. Can't move forward with all your name calling. Going to end up like Chuckchansi. Learn from other people's mistakes.

Anonymous said...

I don't get it. According to Reztalk, Lawson was enrolled in the 90s. If thats true, how come you guys werent enrolled at birth when it was just your family?

Anonymous said...

This issue isn't about being Indian. It's about blood quantum. We found out the family has more SP blood than we thought.

Anonymous said...

ohhhh ok, so I believe they said the CFR states that you have to be 1/8 blood of the band. So, Lawson has no blood of the band and the people trying to get enrolled were classified as 1/16 San Pasqual and want to get classified as 1/8 to qualify?

Anonymous said...

5/16 th

Anonymous said...

3/16

Anonymous said...

Female blood ancestor Guadalupe Duro Wypoke Alto is listed as full, Male blood ancestor Jose Juan Martinez is listed as half. Their child Modesta Martinez Contreras is listed as 3/4. She should be Full Blooded. The Tribe is sovereign and we should determine who belongs and who doesnt.

Anonymous said...

Jose Juan Duro Martinez. Jose and Guadalupe Mothers are sisters. First Cousins married each other.

Anonymous said...

Back in the day, it was all family on the Rez. Everyone lived as family and it didn't matter whether or not you were enrolled or not. It didn't make a difference because you are San Pasqual.

Sure the Trasks were on the land, but it didn't really matter. Florence Wolfe was an old woman, because Helen had been dead for years. Allen Lawson, Sr. was an old drunk. Allen Lawson, Jr. was a hack painting contractor. Then the Casino came. Frances Muncy and the Bureau wrongfully enrolled the Trasks, then the Alto's, then a couple of other families.

Then the exclusion and the threats happened. You were or you weren't. If you weren't enrolled, you could be expelled. If you weren't you could be deprived. If you weren't enrolled you WERE NOT NATIVE. Yeah, Bull@_*&. We know who we are. Over the years it has only gotten worse. We are the TRUE San Pasqual. The Bureau has enrolled imposters who treat us like dirt, who threaten us, have tried to steal our culture and our history and our familial lines.

No more! That is why we have been fighting for our rights and we WILL get our rights! The Trasks do not belong. The Alto's were cousins to Jose Juan. However, as Panto taught, take care of your neighbors. So, Maria took in an unwanted little baby. It is not that the Alto's have not been brought up with Native ways, but there is no blood line to be enrolled San Pasqual. There are other blood lines that don't belong but the Bureau has screwed that up to. We will get it all worked out and we will be true San Pasqual again.

Anonymous said...

lie in pala,robert smith married his cousin also, because no one else wanted his pig ass.

Dr WilliamJones said...

Not normal for indians to adopt non indians. Mexicans and whites would adopt indians, but for the most part an indian baby who was born in the Tribe was taken in by a family member or another family within the Tribe.

White Buffalo said...

I see a common thread in most of these post, in that most of the problems stared when there was money, influence, and something to be gained. It is sad that we Indians are just as corruptible as those who oppressed us in the first place. We have forgotten to listen to our elders.

White Buffalo said...

The 1978 Indian Child Welfare act was written to address the mass adoption of Indian children by other non Indian races. One of the basic principles of child rearing was the communal spirit where all of the kids were raised by the all in the tribe. Another casualty of the modern Indian is individualism, wealth, perceived power over, others, and the belief that some are better than others. These things were not part of the community even in my grandfathers and grandmothers time, for they taught me and my brothers, sisters, and cousins that there are more important things than gold and silver.

Anonymous said...

Not true, Dr. Jones. Yes, White Buffalo. Yes. We never had these issues prior to the casino and the BIA wrongfully enrolling the non-San Pasqual who oppress the true San Pasqual - ever

Anonymous said...

It's so confusing White Buffalo because it's a generational gap. The youth of the Rez think they know what happened on the Reserves 50, 70 , 80 years ago but there's actual elders who lived it and the youngsters tell them that they don't know. The Reservations are going to get worse not better. That's a fact.

Anonymous said...

The lawyers are the worst part. They have destroyed reservations. They have no idea how tribes have interacted and they have no comprimise. If you give money they'll fight that the sun sets in the east and rises on the west. Spineless.

Anonymous said...

Is this how tribes act among one another now a days... how sad, i believe our ancestors would be ashamed. I thought it was about sticking together regardless... As time passes our blood will mix, blend or how ever you want to see it but our tradition and beliefs should stay strong and live on!!! If a family has indian descendant ancestors and they are fighting this hard to keep who they believe they are then let them... Indian chiefs of tribes back in the beginning would give you a title if you earned it... lets think back to how our ancestors would handle this. This is just so sad to see. Be good to one another. Stop fighting each other and find peace.

Remedy Quanah Pontas Blanco said...

Lmao!!~ I just finished reading all these comments..many things came into the light in this forum, especially about Angela McNeal
I wasn't aware she was a scantless fraud like Allen Lawson and his decendents..Wow! that fat heffer.. did all that thieving to the tribe? Those are horrid actions!.. shes going to hell with her partakers.really... And I also was wasn't aware there were actual haters who claim we need their support .lol...The only support we need is God allmighty..by the way . Isabel Duro was Santiago's wife.(Jose Juan Mom and dad) And Juliana Duro was Guadalupe mom. Cenon Duro was not the only husband Juliana had. She also had Miguel Wypokie. And Feliciano Alto. And there is one more from the San Pasqual valley..but this one is Private. Only for our Royals to know...And our supposably secret Agenda will continue until every dam fake ass non blood of the band fraud is gone.