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Tuesday, September 6, 2011

What Constitutes a PALA Indian?

In a post promoted from the comment section, Hunter Cousin A'amokat asks the question.   Is this greed over casino profits, or payback for a supposed earlier slight?

What constitutes a Pala Indian? Because Pala were originally Luiseno but in 1903 a group of local Indians known as Cupeno were kicked off of their land by Warner Springs, Ca and moved by the powers that be to Pala. For over 100 years the two groups, Luiseno and Cupeno, have lived as one tribe.



So are the Luiseno now saying that people with a blood quantium below a certain point of Pala Luiseno blood don't qualify for tribal membership or are the Cupeno saying that the blood quantium has to be Cupeno blood?


It would be ironic if the later was true because the Cupeno aren't even originally from Pala, it says so in a glass case at the main entrance to the Pala Casino, that the Cupeno lost their land at Warner Springs and were moved to Pala.


Ironic that none of these questions would have even been an issue if Pala didn't have a lucrative casino, sound familiar?





9 comments:

smokeybear said...

SO WHAT YOU ARE SAYING IS THAT CUPENO IS ACTUALLY LUISENO? THAT THEY ARE ACTUALLY A SPLINTER GROUP OF US? ONLY TO BE REMOVED FROM THEIR ORIGINAL REZ(WARNER SPRINGS)AS WE WERE FROM OURS WAY BACK WHEN? DIDN'T THE GOVERNMENT (INDIAN AFFAIRS) RECOGNIZE THEM AS A SOVERIGN NATION AND ABLE TO BUILD A CASINO. SO WHERE IS THIS ALL GOING? WHY WOULD PALA EVEN REALISTICALLY WANT TO "OPEN THIS CAN OF WORMS?" AND WHOSE BOODLINE DO THEY FOLLOW? THEY ARE "EITHER" ALL CUPENO OR LUISENO! WHICH IS IT? WHERE IS "THE LINE TO BE DRAWN?" THE SAD PART IS THAT THEY "MAKE THIS STUFF UP AS THE GO" FOR NOTHING MORE THEN: "GREED!" I WONDER WHAT THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS) HAS TO SAY ABOUT THIS "DEBACHERY?"

'aamokat said...

Actually Pala Indians can be either Luiseno or Cupeno. At least they have been for over 100 years.

Both groups have lived as one tribe since 1903 so my question is one group or another claiming they are the tribe now after the fact?

Anonymous said...

GREED, GREED ,GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED GREED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

White Buffalo said...

That sounds too familiar, I am a little surprised and dismayed that Pala would soil their hands in the manner that Pechanga has done. Nothing good will come of this action, for once the road is trodden, disenrollment’s for reasons of power and money, other acts against the people will occur. This trend that the modern, casino, Indian is taking will see the demise of a culture that once stood out as separate in manner and belief in all areas of society. The erosion of family, community, religion, can be seen in this modern time as a result of the sudden wealth and cultural assimilation into the world of individualistic capitalism witch is contrary to the communalistic nature that was once the Indian way that tribes fought to preserve through the last 400 years since the settlement of James town or the missionaries on the west coast.

smokeybear said...

White Buffalo said...
That sounds too familiar.
WITH ALL THE DISPICABLE AND HAI-US ACTS THAT THE "WHITE MAN" HAS BROUGHT UPON THE NATIVE AMERICAN INDIAN SINCE THEY ARRIVED IN THE AMERICAS', OUR BIRTHRIGHT AND HERITAGE HAS NEVER "WAINED!" THE NATIVE AMERICAN WAS "PROUD" OF WHO THEY WERE, AND AGAINST INSURMOUNTABLE ODDS STILL "ENDURED!" BUT NOW THE "TRUE NATIVE AMERICAN" IS DEEMED "WITHOUT A TRIBE " BY OUR OWN, "FROM WITHIN!" OUR HERITAGE AND BITHRIGHT WAS ALWAYS SECURE IN THE FACT THAT THEY WERE ALWAYS PROTECTED BY OUR RESPECTIVE CONSTITUTIONS AND BY LAWS FOR THE GOOD OF ALL. NOW THAT NO LONGER EXISTS. CONSTITUTIONS AND BY LAWS ARE BEING IGNORED BY RUTHLESS AND GREEDY TRIBAL LEADERS AND JUSTICE BE "DAMNED!" TRIBAL LEADERS CAN'T BE TRUSTED TO FOLLOW TRIBAL LAW BECAUSE THEY "NOW MAKE IT UP AS THE GO" AND THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS) BACKS THEIR ILLEGAL PLAY. ALWAYS A "BLIND EYE" TO JUSTICE AND FAIR PLAY FOR THE NATIVE AMERICAN IN INDIAN COUNTRY. SOVEREIGNTY, WHAT A JOKE. IT FUELS THE FIRES OF INJUSTICE BECAUSE THEY CAN! WHOSE TO STOP THESE INDISCRIMINANT GREEDY TRIBAL LEADERS? CORRUPTION IS A MALIGNANT CANCER, AND SHOULD BE "CUT OUT" SO THE HOST CAN LIVE! IF NOT....."IT DIES!

Anonymous said...

Yaqui Indian (a.k.a Mexican) just ask leroy mirandas family!!!!!

Anonymous said...

even with Cupeno Blood combine with Luiseno KING Freemans still don't have enough TO GET HIS CHILDREN ENROLLED. YOU TOOK ON THE RISK HAVING CHILDREN WITH A WHITE WOMAN AND YOUR FAMILY BEFORE THAT ALSO HAD CHILDREN WITH A WHITE MAN AND WHITE WOMEN. DO THE MATH!!! YOUR WHOLE FAMILY TREE WENT TO REFLECTED ON WHITE RACE,YOU WENT OUT OF YOUR RACE HOW DO YOU BLAME PALA TRIBE FOR THIS???

Anonymous said...

The bottom line is Kings children do meet the 1/16 minimum blood,There is a group of individuals who have lost all respect for what our elders have done as well as ignoring what our constitution says.Time is running on these individuals and soon it will be out,people are tired of these individuals who GAVE THEMSELVES POWER by lying to the general counsel.

Anonymous said...

The truth is When the removal of the Warner's Ranch Indians was Warners Springs Cupa, Puertala Cruz Luieno, San Felipe Diegueno and Individual Indians Yaqui, Sonoma Indian, Gabrieno, Chumash, Pai-Ute, , were removed in 1903, Once you start studying deeping into the history of the Tribe you can see that the Warner's Ranch Indians was three main Group the Biggest Cupen'o or Kuupngaxkiktam, Now during the 1850's White People start getting with Native women. The Govt. asked in 1900 how much white blood because white people can vote, Mexican are indians not matter how you see it, anyone Native born before 1849 in california was a mexican it was after the 185o when california became USA, before anyone says anything learn your history, read I hate when people do not tell the true history of California, If I am wrong correct me with prove, With Pala disenrollment is a case that was long over due 1985 read the 1928 application of California indians since you want to ask Leroy Miranda Family read all the 1928 Application and you will see the ones who are in question, because I know that how you found information on Leroy Miranda but remember which family of his Manuela Miranda side Luiseno, Merced Saubel Nolasquez side Cupeno/Cahuilla, Leland Fulwilder side Little Lake Pomo, Grace Wright Side Concow Maidu, or Fig Tree John Razon side Desert Cahuilla, So if you want to make statement you better back it up