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Tuesday, July 5, 2011

After Schwarzeneggers Incompetent Handling of Gaming Compacts; Pala Tribe Wants to Renegotiate

Arnold Schwarzenegger's legacy will be FAILURE.    Here's more evidence of that from Ed Sifuentes of the NCTIMES:


The Pala Band of Mission Indians in North County says it wants to renegotiate its gambling agreement with the state following the Rincon Band of Mission Indians' court victory last week against the state over casino payments.

Pala, which operates a casino and resort complex on its reservation east of Fallbrook, agreed in 2004 to pay millions into the state's general fund in exchange for more slot machines. The tribe pays about $18 million a year, said Pala Chairman Robert Smith.

The state's general fund is its main pot of money to pay for government operations. The state is partly resnposible for overseeing tribal gambling, which voters legalized

Then-Gov. Arnold Schwarzenegger offered Rincon, which operates a Harrah's-brand hotel and casino near Valley Center, a similar deal but the tribe rejected the offer and sued the state in federal court. Rincon argued the payments amounted to an illegal tax and the courts agreed.

Rincon won the lawsuit last week after the U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the state's appeal of a lower court's decision.

Smith said Pala wants a new deal based on the court's decision.

"I think the revenue we pay to the state needs to be re-evaluated," Smith said.

The tribe is willing to keep paying but not into the general fund, Smith said. He would prefer that the payments be used to address local problems, such as law enforcement, fire protection and road improvements, the chairman said.

If other tribes follow Pala's lead, the state could lose hundreds of millions in revenue, making its budget woes much worse. Fifteen tribes, including Pala, pay a combined total of $360 million a year into the general fund, according to the state.

Thus far, no other tribes have stepped forward to renegotiate their agreements since last week's court decision. The Viejas Band of Mission Indians in East County, which has an agreement similar to Pala's, said last week that it has no plans to renegotiate.



Read more: http://www.nctimes.com/news/local/sdcounty/article_68630f8e-6ba7-5057-973f-bf43f071c26e.html#ixzz1RHN8eASs

16 comments:

Anonymous said...

Didnt Pala start to disenroll its tribal members.

Anonymous said...

18 MIL IS CHEAP FOR THE NUMBER OF MACHINES IT HAS. LESS THAN HALF OF WHAT PECHANGA PAYS.

P.S. THE CHICKEN SOUP AT THE PECHANGA CAFE IS AWESOME!

Anonymous said...

Secret ingredient in 'awesome' chicken soup is 'spit and malice.'

smokeybear said...

QUESTION: WHY WOULD YOU EVEN CONSIDER SPENDING MONEY AT PECHANGA? I DON'T CARE IF IT IS JUST FOR WATER, WHICH THEY PROBABLY CHARGE FOR ANYWAY IF YOU DON'T BUY SOMETHING WITH IT. THAT IS A SLAP IN THE FACE OF ALL THE DISENROLLED AND BANISHED TRIBAL MEMBERS. SHAME ON YOU.

smokeybear said...

BE IT KNOWN THAT, "YES" WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS FOR A DECADE. HEADWAY IS FINALLY BEING BROUGHT TO BEAR IN AS MUCH AS THE WORD IS GETTING OUT TO THE RIGHT AGENCYS THAT MIGHT "EVEN" DO US SOME GOOD. THOSE THAT DIDN'T KNOW OF WHAT WAS HAPPENING AT PECHANGA, WITH THE HUMAN RIGHTS VIOLATIONS AND MORE, ARE NOW STARTING TO "KNOW." THAT IS "BIG." NOT ONLY THE BLATANT CORRUPTION AT PECHANGA, BUT THROUGHOUT INDIAN COUNTRY NATIONWIDE. WITH BAKER OVER SMITH WIN, MAYBE THE TIDE FOR ALL TRUE "NATIVE AMERICANS" HAS TURNED FOR THE BETTER. LETS HOPE HE IS AN HONEST AND JUST LEADER THAT WILL ACTUALLY BE GOOD FOR HIS MEMBERSHIP. QUESTION: WHEN IS THE NEXT ELECTION TO BE FOR MARK MACARRO? THERE HAS TO BE ONE, RIGHT? MAYBE, JUST MAYBE, THE PECHANGA TRIBAL COUNCIL MIGHT GET A LITTLE FORTITUDE AND END THE GREEDY, CORRUPT, DECEITFULL, AND IRON-FISTED RULE OF THE NON CARING RESIDENT "CANCER"...MARK MACARRO. SO ANYBODY, I ASK YOU, "WHEN?" AND HOW CAN WE HELP RID PECHANGA OF THIS "FOX IN THE HENHOUSE?" THE WORD IS OUT THERE, AND WE NEED TO INCREASE THE PRESSURE. THAT DOES MEANS "ALL OF US!" WE HAVE ALOT OF MOMENTUM GOING NOW, BUT WE NEED TO TURN UP THE HEAT. REMEMBER "WE ARE NO LONGER "SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER"

White Buffalo said...

No Pala has never disenrolled any members. Pala treats their members much better than Pechanga. Pala has always been at odds with Pechanga

smokeybear said...

QUESTION: IS BOTH PALA AND MORONGO TREATING THEIR MEMBERSHIP LIKE THEY SHOULD? WITH RESPECT FOR THEIR HUMAN RIGHTS? AND THEY BOTH HAVE CASINOS? IF THIS IS TRUE, HOW REFRESHING IS THAT? ALL THAT SHOWS IS THAT IT CAN BE DONE WITHOUT MALICE, CORRUPTION, AND GREED. IF THIS IS TRUE, THEN FOLLOWING THEIR RESPECTIVE CONSTITUTIONS AND BY LAWS FOR THE GOOD OF THEIR MEMBERSHIP WORKS. ON THE OTHER HAND, WHY DOES PECHANGA AND THE "MACARRO CARTEL" THINK THAT THEY ARE ABOVE THE LAW? THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIRS) MUST KNOW OF THE "FESTERING CANCER" OF CORRUPTION THAT IS GOING INCREASINGLY UNCHECKED AT PECHANGA. WITH SO MANY BLATANT LIES THAT MARK HAS TOLD THEM, THEY HAVE TO KNOW. THERE HAS TO BE A "BREAKING POINT." WITH CORRUPTION YOU EVENTUALLY GET CAUGHT. NOT "IF" YOU GET CAUGHT, BUT "WHEN!" EXAMPLE: WHEN YOU RIDE A MOTORCYCLE IT'S NOT IF YOU WILL FALL, BUT WHEN. IT WILL HAPPEN. I KNOW, I RIDE. THE SAME FOR CORRUPTION, IT WILL HAPPEN, MARK WILL GET CAUGHT. BUT THE "QUESTION IS:" WILL HE TAKE THE TRIBE DOWN WITH HIM WHEN THE "HAMMER FALLS?" THE GRIEF MARK HAS CAUSED IN THE PECHANGA MEMBERSHIP IS "MIND BOGGLING." WE WILL TAKE BACK WHAT WAS STOLEN FROM US.

Anonymous said...

Smoke bear I agree with you. You always known what is right things! That fair enough !

'aamokat said...

White Buffalo, we did meet some people from Pala at the protest last month who had some issues with the Pala leadership.

I am not sure exactly what those issues are but if in fact Pala is jumping on the bandwagon seeing how their neighbors at Pechanga so far have gotten away with misdeeds, that is disturbing.

'aamokat said...

Smokeybear, the next election is a year from now. In the last election Macarro reportedly only won by about one hundred votes over former councilman John Mcgee so if we were still in the tribe we would have taken him down.

smokeybear said...

QUESTION: HOW MANY ACTIVE(LEGITIMATE) VOTERS ARE THERE IN THE MEMBERSHIP? AND I GUESS I'M ASKING, "HOW MANY COME OUT AND ACTUALLY VOTE?" AND DOES THIS MEAN THAT ALOT OF THEM DON'T REALLY CARE? OR MAYBE THE "MACARRO CARTEL" HAS THEM RUNNING SCARED? I THINK THE LATTER! "MARKS" DECEITFULL, CORRUPT, AND DOWN RIGHT EVIL IRON-FISTED RULE OVER THE TRIBAL COUNCIL HAS TO BE SYSTEMATICALLY TAKEN APART. I REALIZE THAT THIS HAS TO BE DONE MOSTLY FROM THE INSIDE OF THE MEMBERSHIP. QUESTION IS, HOW DO WE GO ABOUT EDUCATING THE MEMBERSHIP ON WHAT HAS, AND IS, STILL GOING ON WITH RESPECT TO THE ILLEGAL AND CORRUPT ACTIONS OF "MARK AND HIS HENCHMEN" WITHIN "PECHANGA? WE NEED TO GO AFTER THE "MACARRO CARTEL" WITH A VENGENCE. CAN'T WE GATHER UP ALL OF THE CORRUPT AND DAMAGING EVIDENCE THAT WE CAN AND PRESENT IT TO THE TRIBAL COUNCIL AND SHOW THEM WHAT HAS ACTUALLY BEEN GOING ON? OR IS IT THAT SINCE WE'VE BEEN DISENROLLED THEY WON'T LISTEN? I'M SORRY, BUT THEY HAVE TO BE MADE TO LISTEN! THAT IS THE "BOTTOM LINE!" MAYBE WE HAVEN'T BEEN AGRESSIVE ENOUGH WITH THE MEMBERSHIP. WITH A YEAR TO GO BEFORE THE ELECTION FOR CHAIRMAN OF PECHANGA, WE NEED TO START WORK NOW. WE NEED TO MOUNT A FRONTAL ATTACK AGAINST THE DECEIFULL AND CORRUPT "MACARRO CARTEL" AND NOT LET UP. THIS MEANS WITH THE GOVERNMENT(INDIAN AFFAIR) AND OUR OWN MEMBERSHIP. THIS WILL TAKE ALL OF US, BUT WE CAN DO IT. "ARE YOU WITH ME? "WE ARE NO LONGER SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER." AND "FAILURE IS NOT AN OPTION!" WE HAVE RIGHTS UNDER TRIBAL LAW, AND DISENROLLMENTS AND BANISHMENTS ARE'NT ONE OF THEM. WE CAN "AND WILL" TAKE BACK THAT WHAT HAS BEEN STOLEN FROM US. RIGHT MAKES MIGHT. THE MOMENTUM IS THERE, IT'S HOW WE USE IT.

Anonymous said...

Smokeybear the only way is who we have ours cousin he the one chief ex chairman 12years ago he known what to do ! But he has do is have all his people go to white house to met Obama ! Or write letter to Obama and keep up never stop then they will know what going but we'll talk to the news woman she known all about! If we ask to help us she will do anything go check out her email and have explain her now to anyone who want to email her ask for!

White Buffalo said...

I think there are issue’s in every tribe I think the issue with Pala is Pala uses a blood quantum of ¼ so a lot of the younger generations are ineligible for membership. This is also true of Morongo.

Anonymous said...

I am 1/4; however, quantum is foolish and selfish.

Kicker;greedy eyes of 0/000 waltz right in and seize tribes.

Anonymous said...

Quantum is tool of invaders; aka United States. United States keeps grip on all Indian lands in pretense of 'trust.' Actually, United States considers all Indian lands as United States lands.

The quantum strategy was designed to effectively 'kill' off Indians once the quantum was reached.

Once the quantum was reached, ALL
Indian lands and resources would become American.

Quantum is just another fraud;theft suffered by Indians. The more insidious betrayal of the Indians is the imposition of 'quantum' by Indians themselves.

smokeybear said...

YOU CAN'T USE QUANTUM AS A VIABLE TOOL FOR THE TRIBE WILL DISINTAGRATE OR IMPLOWED FROM WITHIN. WHEN PEOPLE GET MARRIED AND HAVE CHILDREN THE PERCENTAGE GOES DOWN, AND THEN DOWN AND THEN DOWN. WHAT HAPPENS TO THE MEMBERSHIP THEN? IF FOR SOME MEMBERSHIPS YOU HAVE TO BE A 1/4, THEN THEY DIE OFF, WHAT THEN? RENAGOTIATE? OR WHAT? THAT IS REALLY DOWN RIGHT STUPID DON'T YOU THINK?