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Tuesday, February 15, 2011

Evidence of Incompetence Shadows Pechanga Enrollment Committee

A post from August 2009, by request: A commenter from the CPP faction of Pechanga Band of Luiseno Indians routinely tries to shunt aside arguments of the Manuela Miranda family and Hunter family disenrollments as "simply correcting the errors in enrollment."

Well, the CPP had the perfect opportunity to put their money where their mouths were, but:
G-R-E-E-D  +  C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N  +  D-I-S-H-O-N-E-S-T-Y
=

C-O-N-C-E-R-N-E-D  P-E-C-H-A-N-G-A  P-E-O-P-L-E


At the most recent membership meeting, a dilemma came up: The tribal enrollment committee recently 'discovered' nine applications that were submitted prior to the unconstitutional moratorium.

That brings up a few questions:

1. What happened to these applications? How could they be "lost" in a very small office?

2. Who had access to these papers and how did they suddenly become "discovered".

3. How incompetent are the members of the disenrollment committee. (remember, they disenrolled more people in the past 10 years than they enrolled)

Well, instead of doing the "right thing" and enrolling the nine applicants. The 'right' thing in correcting the tribal rolls by adding those who submitted their applications as required. The enrollment committee brings the question to the people.

All of a sudden, the general membership can now rule on enrolling members? Remember, the corrupt tribal council has ruled that the membership had no authority to halt the disenrollments of the Hunter family.

Well, a raucus meeting ensues. At these meetings, you get to speak by lining up at the microphone. Here's what sources had to say:

The Chairwoman of the enrollment committee presented to the General Membership at the last meeting that they found 9 applications for enrollment that were submitted before the moratorium but were never processed.

They wanted to know what to do with these applications. (process into the membership or not) The people discussed them at the mic and some of the comments were "do we have to share our $$ with them?"

When it came to a vote it was an overwhelming "NOT to enroll them".

Okay, so the tribe was NOT concerned about correcting the tribal rolls, or, they'd accept these applications. MONEY and GREED triumphed over what is right. Here is the kicker, GUESS which family the applications belonged to?

The enrollment committee was not allowed to say who these 9 apps were but everyone there knew (word leaked out) that they were all from the Murphy family!
That means that the tribe REFUSED to admit family of members ALREADY in the tribe! Was there a question about their lineage? IF so, shouldn't the whole Murphy family be evicted? After all, that family has NO lineal descent to a Pechanga person.

The members didn't want to do the right thing, which would have been to:
1. Enroll the members if they were valid, as the applications came in before the moratorium
2. Give per capita dating back to the moratorium which would have been somewhere near $1.4 MILLION dollars. to the nine.

So, when Pechanga Chairman Mark Macarro said "it wasn't about the money". Was he lying?
What say you?

70 comments:

Anonymous said...

Oh Pechanga... You rid yourselves of Temecula natives... Keep the criminals out of fear... Run around changing your modus operandi to look legit... FAIL, FAIL, FAIL and you continue to FAIL our population. Making up stink and changing rules to suite who's needs, correct what, too sad.

We could make such a fantastically positive influence if not for U CPP. Pechanga is a place not a small group of people.

Mateo, Paulina father was born @ Pechanga not to Pechanga as documented history tells. He is Temeku as is all his lineage. AHO!

Anonymous said...

Hunters are all out due fraud... Relatives will not let family partake due greed... Pechanga "where the water drips" will be the end all be all due corruption... AHO!

Anonymous said...

Isn't this the second time that the Murphy family was presented for enrollment to the general membership (with the same outcome)? Just why do they even have an Enrollment Committee?

Anonymous said...

Macorro, your are a disgrace to the indians nation wide to have fraudulantly failed so many people or their due rights . Tick tock, your time is almost up.....

'aamokat said...

In April 1986, after their applications for enrollment were turned down by the enrollment committee, the lineal descendants of Rose Murphy, including Russell Butch Murphy, had the committee's decision overturned by a vote of the General Membership of the Pechanga tribe which enabled them to become tribal members.

The tribal council had maintained in March 2006 that the law outlawing disenrollment that was passed into law in July 2005 did not include the Hunters because it violated tribal legal precedent, that the enrollment committee could not be questioned or interrupted by the general membership regarding enrollment or disenrollment.

But why is Butch Murphy a tribal member today then?

Did he vote, while sitting on the tribal council, to stop the Hunters from being included in the law outlawing disenrollment?

If he did, then didn't he in effect vote to disenroll himself if, as the council claimed in 2006, that the people can't interrupt or question the enrollment committee?

Are the people this article refers to blood relatives of Butch or they are he or they blood relatives of Patrick Murphy Sr?

That is something I don't know about maybe someone can answer that question.

Anonymous said...

It really does not matter what lineage these people are from.

It shows that the enrollment committee does not, nor ever had the final call in enrollment matters. They continually ask for guidance form the tribal council, who in turn asks the General membership as the constitution and bylaws state. This precedence was set in 1986, and custom and tradition should rule in all matters of the band. This current council is weak and thug happy. They know nothing about custom and tradition unless it suites their agenda, not the will of the people.

White Buffalo said...

This action is of no surprise to me. Since the very beginning when we were disenrolled we knew that there was no justice or integrity among those who rule in the name of the people. It is sad that the general membership has forsaken history, respect and self-worth all for money. I’ll bet the Potato was one of the speakers crying about losing some of his money. It also appears that the tribe really does not like big B. and his descendants. Did you know that MSJC honored him at a banquet last weekend. He apparently played football there and graduated, but they did not say what degree he received? Butch will stab you in the back just like he did us, for it was testimony from the M Miranda family that helped get him enrolled in the 80s, yet I might be mistaken, but I do not think so.

Anonymous said...

One of the pechanga disenrolled was paid off not to protest.

White Buffalo said...

Anonymous said...

One of the pechanga disenrolled was paid off not to protest.

February 17, 2011 10:05 AM

You need to be more clear ast who, where, and when. If you do not respond with clear evidence then it is true you are trying to devide us.

'aamokat said...

White Buffalo said:

"You need to be more clear ast who, where, and when. If you do not respond with clear evidence then it is true you are trying to devide us."

Probably Mr. Potato Head or someone trying to cause trouble

Anonymous said...

We have been through being divided... Now we all know the true... And will be divided no more... "paid off not to protest" ya right. Lol

Ya all too greedy to part with your green to get one of us not to protest.. One of us... Really!?

Anonymous said...

Victor Rocha brags on his new web page. Proud traitor; shill for agents of exploitation of Pechanga Indians; Rocha shamelessly uses Pechanga.Net for furthering the 'best financial interests'; non- Indian gambling interests of Pechanga resources.

Pechanga.Net is sham;cover for Rocha; using his false public face to hide his enterprise;criminal corruption of the Pechanga Reservation.

Victor Patricio Rocha is blinded by his greed and avarice. He is a traitor to Pechanga.

He is proud his criminal job for National Indian Gaming and Global Gaming Business Magazine have recognized his excellent work of exploitating Indian Country for their best interests.

Congratulations, Victor! Your greed and avarice have been recognized and honored! You have managed to betray Pechanga. Traitor!

PechangaMonroe@facebook

Anonymous said...

Victor is a nice guy,go to facebook he might add you.

Vote for victor head of the council!

Anonymous said...

Fuck that vile criminal! He is a hollow.

Anonymous said...

'hollow excuse for a human; flim-flam is his game.'

Anonymous said...

Victor goes to church,he is a true believer.

Anonymous said...

Not like your disenrolled person who made a deal because the fucking tribe got scared last time you protested in front of the casino.Also the pea brain sold out the hunters with fake concern.

creeper said...

I would like to know who you are talking about Anonymus.
If you would like to meet with me and talk, lets do it.
Right here on this blog we can arrange a peaceful meeting.
I doubt that you will.
Another words, prove your accusations.
Mark L.

Anonymous said...

Victor's souless;spiritless according to his own prideful admission. Going to church does not require good character and spirit.

White Buffalo said...

Is that you Potato? Is Vic your friend/ Does he share your taste of hobbies? I would love for you to meet me for a little conversation, you know what I mean. Your simple diatribes um don’t understand well this might help “di•a•tribe (d-tr b) n. A bitter, abusive denunciation” is annoying. Don’t you have some animal to molest?

Anonymous said...

Victor for head of the council

creeper said...

Idiot...

Anonymous said...

Potato head and Victor are 2 theiving assholes who give each other head.

Victor is the potato spud!

Anonymous said...

Victor gives to his church stop talking about him like that.Mark also gives to the poor.

Anonymous said...

Some of these members are very giving ,the Magee sisters are very giving also you have them all wrong.

'aamokat said...

Anonymous said...

"Not like your disenrolled person who made a deal because the fucking tribe got scared last time you protested in front of the casino.Also the pea brain sold out the hunters with fake concern."

creeper said...

"I would like to know who you are talking about Anonymus.
If you would like to meet with me and talk, lets do it.
Right here on this blog we can arrange a peaceful meeting.
I doubt that you will.
Another words, prove your accusations."

I think this person is referring to John Gomez Jr but if John is supposedly dealing secretly with Pechanga behind our backs, then why was he banished from the land for no other reason that he has been speaking out about the corruption going on at Pechanga?

Also, I am sure that the powers that be at Pechanga are not very happy that he has been lobbying and speaking out in support of water rights for all allottees including both those who have been disenrolled and those who are stuck in the moratorium.

We stand with John and John stands with us and no, we will not be divided.

I think this is who this anonymous poster is talking about John because in the past someone has come to this blog and specifically named him and said he was paid not to protest.

Anonymous said...

I think you guys should move to the middle east and take it up the a**, since you don't care what pechanga does to you and don,t protest. (This has nothing to do with gomez )just cowards that let people screw them.

Victor for tribal council!

Anonymous said...

The disenrolled and moratorium people should just take this site down because they are going to grow old ,and die cowards for doing nothing.
Do yourself a favor move on.

Anonymous said...

We are moving toward, with great strides. You are just scared about your line because the truth is being exposed and you wish we would go away. I bet you are a Mark Macarro Lover. Sorry we are never leaving.

Anonymous said...

Giving! How charitable to steal from legitimate descendants and give to illegitimate enrolled!

Rocha always walks on the dark side and brags about it. He made a
bargain with the devil. He traded his soul for a handful of silver.

Rocha has been one of the tools of corruption;Pechanga.Net is one of the conduits through which the Jewish juggernaut has infiltrated through Indian Country to manipulate and destroy Indian rights.

Magee sisters are not legitimate, Potato head is not legitimate, Victor is engaged in illegitimate activities.

MURPHY CLAN; Russell 'bitch' Murphy is one of the most insidious theives who has infiltrated Pechanga.

Ayal,Casas,Fletcher,Magee, Ibanez; Flores; Miranda. List goes on and on.Parasites have kept Pechanga under seige all these many years. They lie, steal, threaten, violate all human rights of legitimate Pechanga descendants.

Counsel are wolves in sheep clothing; vile, conniving, theiving
wolves using their 'talents' to cover crimes.

LAURA Y. MIRANDA, JOHN L. MACARRO,and the shyster who 'practices Indian Law' to steal even more.

Anonymous said...

not legitimate,what about mark ,arlene?

Anonymous said...

Didn't you know Arlene thinks almost everyone else besides the Macarros are not legititmate?

Anonymous said...

Ya their all Parasites ,except for angel mark and I see she never talks about that Bitch Jenny Miranda,why's that arlene?

Is she your gay lover?

Anonymous said...

Leave arlene alone. Lets here some more arlene ,is there anyone thats pechanga Indian?

Anonymous said...

Quick question. How come so many people post on OP's site (No offense) than on the pechanga.info site (Gomez site right?)? Other than OP, it looks like the last post was in early December of 2010.

'aamokat said...

I am not sure why other people haven't been posting at Pechanga.info, but I haven't been able to get into it for a while now.

I forgot my password there and I have tried to have it reset but it doesn't work

Anonymous said...

'aamokat said...
I am not sure why other people haven't been posting at Pechanga.info, but I haven't been able to get into it for a while now.


BULL SHIT, tell the truth. Come on? Its ok say it?

SAY it arlene!

Anonymous said...

Put it this way ,most of hunters are caring people thats why people come to this site we won't throw stones anywhere else.

Anonymous said...

I come to this site because the content of the Pechanga.info site is rarely updated. They dropped the ball on it.

I go there for new Chukchansi information.

This site has more current information, mixed with historical information we won't ever find on Victor Rocha's site.

Anonymous said...

"Magee sisters are not legitimate". I guess you're saying the entire Nesicat family line is not legitimate then. That's a lot of tribal members. Victor was pulled aside by the very angry Mirandas when he anounced the disclosure of crooked Anthony Miranda and his family at the end of one of the general council meetings.

Anonymous said...

Nesicat family line is not legitimate...LA HOYA

frances knows damn well she is not legitimate.

The frauds infiltrated Pechanga and along with Ruth;MEXICAN

Andrew Masiel and Anthony Miranda's gang have iron grip on Pechanga's politics and resources.

Open eyes people

Cigna controlled by frauds

Pechanga Development controlled by frauds.

James Joaquin Fletcher is ruthless thief. ayal, casas, Ibanez all frauds.

Basquez, vasquez..theft ring.

Imagine...council, development Enrollment, Cigna...they illegally controll all of it.



It is no coincidence that they are huge 'political bribers;aka DONORS.

Anonymous said...

correction: control

Anonymous said...

LA HOYA

oscar? de la,,,

well 1600 applications in moratorium mmmm ,,,,

Anonymous said...

There was evidence that Frances and Ruth were supposed to be investigated for enrollment fraud.

It is common knowledge that Pechanga is known as a counterfeit tribe.

A conspiracy was entered between Yollie the Hut and........

The result? Manuella's were ambushed and eliminated before frauds were investigated and removed from rolls.

Andrew Masiel is one of the puppet masters along with James Fletcher and 'Indian Law' counsels.

Laura Y. Miranda is a fraud.

Anonymous said...

Laura Y. Miranda who is this bitch?

Anonymous said...

I come to this site because the content of the Pechanga.info site is rarely updated. They dropped the ball on it.


why did they drop the ball?

Anonymous said...

"Yollie the Hut"....Now that's funny

White Buffalo said...

That is funny

Anonymous said...

Fits doesn't it. Barely :)

Anonymous said...

I'm beating a dead horse here with Arlene, but even when Anselmo Nesicat married Juana Apish (daughter of Pablo). The magees and others that came from that marriage are not legitimate? Also, with your comments, would it be hard to say that most of the moritorium people and dis-enrolled people need not bother trying to get in because they're not legitimate? These are just questions and I'm not trying to piss anybody off. Just looking for clarification to her comments. I ask only because I'm from the Nesicat family and anonymous.

'aamokat said...

Yolie the Hut? That is classic but who would she be like, Java the Hut from Star Wars or Pizza the Hut from Space Balls?

Anonymous said...

dude their not enrolling anyone,and the land owners are lazy and un-motivated,look in the dictionary under pechanga member ,lazy un-motivated pile of shit.

Anonymous said...

Pechanga is not a government. Council are not officials. Macarro is not a leader.

Macarro is called chairman because the whole setup was designed to keep Indians powerless.

Council is just board of directors and Macarro is figurehead aka chairman of the board of directors; designed after business models.

It has morphed into calling it government. This is a myth to mislead members who ultimately are supposed to make decisions.

All lineal descendants are equal as stakeholders.

Anonymous said...

Thank you ,best statement on this whole blog.

Anonymous said...

WATER RIGHTS

"The federal government's argument that a tribal water rights permit system can substitute for real property water rights "dosesn't pass constitutional muster" unless the allottees consent to it.

However unconstitutional; it is very convenient and much cheaper for the Interior and Justice departments.

Above statements are excerpts from articles regarding Crow Water rights of allottees (paraphrased)

Anonymous said...

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page





HER father listed as clarence butler



mother listed as Pauline Butler



a fraud was committed This may explain her cruelty to Paul Magee aka Joe Liska

Mary Bear Magee most likely is also an impostor



the indian census was tampered

Anonymous said...

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page

Gloria Elanie Mages

Date of Birth:13 Dec 1938

Age:0

Gender:Female

Marital Status:Single

Relation to Head of Household:Daughter

Father's Name:Clarence Butler

Mother's Name:Pauline Butler

Tribe:Mission

Reservation:Pachanga

Agency:Mission Indian Agency

State:California

Previous Census Number:133

Census Date:1 Jan 1939

Neighbors:View others on page





HER father listed as clarence butler



mother listed as Pauline Butler



a fraud was committed



the indian census was tampered

Anonymous said...

a fraud was committed This may explain her cruelty to Paul Magee aka Joe Liska

Anonymous said...

I bet they wish you would just go away Joe!


Viva Mexico

Anonymous said...

Funny how I looked it up and Gloria is 2 years younger than Mary. Who is Gloria Mages? I heard that there is an "amacarro" looking up the Magee family on acestory.com. You trying to say that the women that grew up with anround their father are not Magee now? That looks a little unfounded since the last name is spelled wrong. :P

Anonymous said...

Hoka Hey

Anonymous said...

Don't stop there; investigate further. You will find an imposter.

Tedious work, but, you will be rewarded with many surprises.

Anonymous said...

p.s. further investigate mary bear. Shocker!

Anonymous said...

Don't take much just to pull up anyones birth certificate on the internet.The fathers name will be on it you don't need the indian census.

Anonymous said...

The above poster has nothing or would have posted something.

Anonymous said...

Then Joe Liske (Paul Magee) is out then too. He was adopted and didn't even know his family until'96. Some people poke at anyone they are mad at. Now you will say that Joe is the only legitemate one. :)

Anonymous said...

Who's Joe (Liske)?

Anonymous said...

check out twitter,maddog is on there throwing darts.

Anonymous said...

When fighting angry blind man, best to stay out of the way,"

Anonymous said...

You guys need to get a life Good Luck!