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Friday, January 14, 2011

Chronology for Pechanga Terminations of Tribal Citizen: Liars and Thieves Run Amok

Chronology of Events of Pechanga's Disenrollments.

 
1. In December 2001, Yolanda McCarter (niece of Irene Scearce and Ruth Masiel OP: and she is the one on the Pechanga infomercial saying she could die happy if she didn't have the casino money.) submitted a letter to Enrollment Committee demanding the Committee research several families including ours. The request stated that "this (be) straightened up before the next election in July." (So that there would be less votes, a clear sign that they wanted to disenfranchise "several families")

2. In June 2002, Enrollment Committee Chairperson Mary Magee is removed from the Committee for divulging confidential information. (She was caught talking about other families. Her sister is Gloria Wright, who is CPP) A petition is justified to amend the Disenrollment Procedures. A vote to approve or deny the petition is set for July 2002. (Petition is not brought forth until February 2003.) The newly built Pechanga Resort and Casino is opened. This is a permanent structure which replaced the original Casino structures which were in modular and sprung structure. In October 2002, 2 new members are elected to Enrollment Committee to bring membership up to required 10 members. (A member retired from Committee in September 2002).  Olivia Walls is elected Committee Chair, and we request an audit of Enrollment Committee activities for the previous years and advice from our legal counsel at California Indian Legal Services on how to address wrong-doings by Committee and Committee members.   Our legal counsel is told by John Macarro not to take any action to assist the Committee or answer our questions regarding the wrong-doings. (Wrong doings include enrollment of adult family members of 'certain' enrollment committee members.)

3. November 12, 2002, members of the Enrollment Committee, acting without a quorum and outside the Committee's procedures, serve several other Committee members with disenrollment summonses. The Committee members who took the action were- Irene Scearce, Ruth Masiel, Frances Miranda, Margaret Duncan, and Bobbi Lamere. Those served include John Gomez, Theresa Spears, Olivia Walls, and Sandra Garbani. (Lamere later gets her family members enrolled in the tribe, during the "moratorium", while others have languished for years.

4. On December 10, 2002, Concerned Pechanga People (These were part of the splinter group, many who were not on the original 1979 membership roll, nor allottees, as the Hunters were) submit documents to the Enrollment Committee questioning the lineal descent of several families including the Manuela Miranda descendents, Paulina Hunter descendents, and Garbani descendents. This action was taken a month after the above action. The Concerned Pechanga people are immediate family and friends of Committee members who initiated the November 12, 2002 action.
5. Between December 10, 2002 and February 23, 2003, Concerned Pechanga people make visits to Enrollment Committee and send out flyers to Tribal members urging disenrollment actions be taken against the 3 families they have targeted. The Enrollment Committee does not move forward due to a split as to how to proceed and what constitutes "factual" information related to enrollment.

6. The Concerned Pechanga people move to have Pechanga Development Corporation Elections post-poned until disenrollment occurs. After the PDC elections have been put off for over a month, elections are finally held and Jennie Miranda is voted out of office. She is replaced by a member of the Hunter family. She and members of her family make statements about getting revenge on the Hunters and Manuela people.

7. February 18, 2003, members of the Enrollment Committee, acting without a quorum and outside the Committee's procedures serve several other Committee members with disenrollment summonses. The Committee members who took the action were- Irene Scearce, Ruth Masiel, Frances Miranda, Margaret Duncan, and Bobbi Lamere. Those served include John Gomez, Theresa Spears, Olivia Walls, and Sandra Garbani.

8. From February 24, 2003 to March 18, 2003 Committee is locked out while the Tribal Council reviews actions and concerns of Enrollment Committee Chair.

9. March 7, 2003 letter from Tribal Council nullifying the February 18, 2003 action taken by Committee members to initiate the disenrollment process against several other Enrollment Committee members. Enrollment Committee members removed from committee and Enrollment Committee reconstituted.

10. March 18, 2003, Enrollment Committee now consisting of Bobbi Lamere, Margaret Duncan, and Lori Vasquez reconvene. Committee drafts letters of rescission and send to Committee members who were targeted by February 18, 2003 action.

11. Between March 18, 2003 and June 1, 2003, Concerned Pechanga people meet with the Enrollment Committee to provide additional information against the 3 families targeted and to push the Leyva/Basquez review before the review of any other family. The information questioning the Leyva/Basquez family (which includes Jennie Miranda, Irene Scearce, and Ruth Masiel) was received well after the information questioning the Manuela descendents and the other families. Procedurally, the Manuela descendents and other families should have been reviewed prior to the Leyva/Basquez family and/or the Candelaria Flores review. However, the Enrollment Committee consisted of members- Bobbi Lamere and Margaret Duncan- who acted with and for the Concerned Pechanga people. Even though the Manuela descendents provided information to the Enrollment Committee as early as December 17, 2003 refuting the allegations made by the Concerned Pechanga people, those working with, for, or were/are a part of the Concerned Pechanga people were pushed ahead of us in the review process. This was done to stack the Committee and guarantee our disenrollment.

12. On or about June 1, 2003, the Garbani and Leyva/Basquez families were cleared. Ruth Masiel, Irene Scearce, and Sandra Garbani returned to the Enrollment Committee.


13. Between June 1, 2003 and September 23, 2003, the Manuela descendents provided the Enrollment Committee with additional documents proving lineal descent and refuting the allegations made by the Concerned Pechanga.

14. On September 23, 2003, the Enrollment Committee clears the Candelaria Flores family. Frances Miranda returns to the Committee as a result of this decision. We were once again passed over for review so that a member working with, for, or is/was a part of the Concerned Pechanga people could be put back on the Committee. Frances Miranda's father, Richard Miranda, was a member of our family. The years before he passed away, she was receiving his per capita check as she was "taking care of him". Once he passed away and she was no longer receiving 2 per capita checks, the Splinter Group initiated their disenrollment action against the targeted families.

15. On October 21, 2003, Jennie Miranda provides the Enrollment Committee with a letter regarding the lineage of Pablo Apish. Demands that the Manuela descendents be disenrolled. On October 23, 2003, the Enrollment Committee sends summonses to all adult members who are lineally descended from Manuela Miranda.

46 comments:

Anonymous said...

ok, I'll go first...Truth is plain as black and white. Thanks OP for your presistance.

LOVE IT!!!

'aamokat said...

"(Wrong doings include enrollment of adult family members of 'certain' enrollment committee members.)"

Other wrong doings of the enrollment committee included not enrolling people who had their applications in before the deadline for the moratorium and not enrolling children of members from families they didn't like.


These people ended up stuck in the moratorium.

"November 12, 2002, members of the Enrollment Committee, acting without a quorum and outside the Committee's procedures, serve several other Committee members with disenrollment summonses"

"On December 10, 2002, Concerned Pechanga People (These were part of the splinter group, many who were not on the original 1979 membership roll, nor allottees, as the Hunters were) submit documents to the Enrollment Committee questioning the lineal descent of several families including the Manuela Miranda descendents, Paulina Hunter descendents, and Garbani descendents. This action was taken a month after the above action. The Concerned Pechanga people are immediate family and friends of Committee members who initiated the November 12, 2002 action."

The enrollment committee members in question here were all allowed to rule on my family's disenrollment case a clear violation of the equal protection clause under Article V of the Band's constitution and bylaws so our disenrollments are null and void on these and other grounds.

"IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE BAND TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION, BYLAWS, AND ORDINANCES OF THE TEMECULA BAND OF LUISENO MISSION INDIANS; AND ALSO, TO UPHOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EACH MEMBER WITHOUT MALICE OR PREJUDICE."

So tribal hack, how was this equal protection clause not violated when we were disenrolled?

You used to say that we got fairness and due process of law but now all you say is "Ha! Ha!" because you think we can't do anything about it but our time is coming!

'aamokat said...

"November 12, 2002, members of the Enrollment Committee, acting without a quorum and outside the Committee's procedures, serve several other Committee members with disenrollment summonses"

This was done before any evidence had even been submitted to warrant opening up an investigation and before the committee had even investigated any of the unfounded claims that Yolie McCarter put forth in her letter the previous year.

So our disenrollment was a travesty of justice that is well founded.

Anonymous said...

Result: Goodbye to the non-members. Meanwhile, to gain a peace of mind, necessary for enjoyment of life, these poor souls must resign themselves to their fate, to stop seeing it as a cosmic injustice, and instead to accept this outcome as the workings of a due process over time. All should understand the non-members simply did not have the facts on their side to meet the criteria for tribal membership. In turn, under its delegated authority, the enrollment committee terminated the enrollment of the non-members. This action conformed the membership roll to the membership criteria. This result the non-members could not accept, and so they pursued an external legal channel to overturn their ouster, to bring back the big monthly check. The courts said no, that the tribes determine their own membership in their own forum. The Department of the Interior will not hear this matter, and neither will the U. S. Congress. Now the non-members have resorted to airing their complaint in the court of public opinion. This effort has essentially borne no fruit, and likely will peter out within a generation. Soon enough the non-members will adjust to their status as ordinary Americans, having no other option. The non-members must give up their negative frame of mind and their hostility toward Indian Country. Doing so will allow the non-members to see the bright side of existence, and to enjoy it.

'aamokat said...

"and instead to accept this outcome as the workings of a due process over time."

So how was this due process followed?

By having our accusers be our judges?

By ignoring a duly passed law that adhered to the Band's constitution and bylaws that outlawed disenrollment and stopped our disenrollment?

By biased committee members who had a clear conflict of interest who never should have been allowed to rule on our case and who ignored legal notarized testimony from elders who lived in the historical period of when the reservation was created in the late 1800's taken in both the 1915 probate for Paulina Hunter's allotment and prior to the first written enrollment of 1979?

By ignoring notarized testimony from current tribal elders not from the CPP faction of the tribe that vounched for us that we are recognized tribal members?

By going by hearsay statements from people from the CPP faction of the tribe who are closely related to enrollment committee members and by missing documents from the mid 1800s that have been lost for over 150 years that their families couldn't find either?

By using a statement by a member of our extended family on a 1928 application for enrollment as a California Indian that said he was San Luis Rey as a excuse to disenroll us when the very people who voted us out of the tribe also have family members who put the very same thing on 1928 applications and a lot of other people still in the tribe have the same information in their family histories?

Note: Luiseno means the Indians of the San Luis Rey Mission so all legitimate tribal members are Luiseno.

Also, one of the census records in the late 1800 refers to the reservation as the Temecula Reservation-San Luis Rey Tribe so the 1928 application statement does not show we are not Pechanga as the names are clearly interchangable.

So does anyone think our critic will answer how we were afforded due process?

Or are all we are going to get from him is some more Ha Ha's?

Anonymous said...

God this is getting funny!

Anonymous said...

The tribal hack reminds me of krammer,comes in with a new intro,haha, goodbye, etc....

Anonymous said...

I really do like when the Ha Ha DORK comes in with his chime. He only justifies our case and cause.

Thanks DORK!

Pechangaredbrother. Aho!

White Buffalo said...

I would love to know who this person is that believes that the courts said that we do not belong. As I have said in earlier post the courts have not heard the merits of the case, in that, we were not proven to be non members, nor were we allowed to prove that the enrollment committee broke tribal constitutional bylaws. So there is no decision either way

If the tribe was so right in their conviction about the Manuela family not belonging then why not let an unbiased impartial body, the courts, weigh both sides of the evidence. We did have a forum that was willing to hear evidence. Judge Fields of Riverside Superior Courts had ruled that we had a case that could be heard, but the tribe appealed this positive decision and had Judge Fields ruling overturned. Now if the tribe is so confident then why are they hiding behind sovereignty? It is not the Miranda or the Hunter or the Moratorium families that are hiding in the dark, it is the People of Pechanga, who by the way are related to all of the people who have been harmed by the corruption of greed and power.

I must mention that I am not related to that punk Ed the grand potato head. We all know that Francis M is my grandfather’s first cousin. If anyone has forgotten or did not know the enrollment committee waited for my grandfather to die before they disembroiled us.

I got off topic there but there is relevancy, for he had first hand evidence that would have refuted the claim that his grandmother cut all ties to the Pechanga people. The reason for our disenrollment, Manuela cutting ties was not even questioned in the original proceedings, in fact, it was only stated in our letter that we received after we were disembroiled. We had no chance to disprove their claim. Is that fair? If we were allowed we would have liked to see the evidence that proves that Manuela did not live on the reservation at anytime and that she had cut ties. We knew that she was living with her sister when she was a young girl.

'aamokat said...

The tribal hack said,

"In turn, under its delegated authority, the enrollment committee terminated the enrollment of the non-members."


The following petition was declared justified by a vote of the Pechanga General Council (General Membership) on June 19, 2005 and was voted into the law by the General Council (General Membership) on July 17, 2005.

JUNE 19, 2005

"The purpose of this petition is to repeal the disenrollment procedures and declare all currently enrolled members as meeting the qualifications for membership for all purposes under the laws and customs and traditions of the Band.
The reason for this petition is to bring harmony and peace back to the membership.

For all purposes under the laws and customs and traditions of the Band, the General Council of the Band hereby declares

1) The Disenrollment Procedures is repealed effective June 19, 2005

2) All persons whose names appear on the membership roll as of June 19, 2005, constitute a base roll and meet the qualifications for membership in the Constitution and Bylaws.

3) Any persons who proves an unbroken chain of lineal descent from a member is (2) also meets the qualifications for membership in the Constitution and Bylaws.

4) It is unlawful for the Enrollment Committee to investigate members for disenrollment purposes.”

Our family, the Hunters, during our disenrollment proceedings appeared in front of the enrollment committee the week of June 6, 2005 through June 10, 2005 and we were given 30 days to turn in a list of certified and notarized docments to the committee but a decision had not been made as to our status as tribal members so the decision by the committee to disenroll and the decision of the tribal council to turn down our appeal were both made after June 19, 2005 when the disenrollment procedures didn't even exist as a part of tribal law so the decision to disenroll us on March 16, 2006 is null and void because, despite our opponent's claims, the enrollment committee no longer had the delegated authority to disenroll us.

And this isn't the only reason our disenrollment is null and void as I and others have pointed out on this blog.

'aamokat said...

The tribal council sent a letter dated March 14, 2006 informing the General Membership that the Hunters were not included in the 2005 law outlawing disenrollment, just two days before the Hunters received the Record of Decision informing them they were kicked out of their tribe, obviously timed so the Hunters could not dispute the councils decision.

The tribal council claimed in this March 14, 2006 letter to the General Membership that the General Membership could not under its own authority interrupt or question the enrollment committee regarding enrollment or disenrollment that it was a violation of established tribal legal precedent.

Never mind that the membership are the final authority in all matters of tribal government unless stipulated in the Constitution and Bylaws, which don't state the enrollment committee have the final authority in such matters.

But even so there is also no established tribal legal precedent that states the enrollment committee are the final authority in matters of enrollment and disenrollment but in fact there is precedent that states the exact opposite as on April 20, 1986 the General Membership voted to overturn the decision of the enrollment committee to not enroll the lineal descendants of Rose Murphy and to take them in as tribal members.

So the fact that sitting tribal councilman Russell Butch Murphy is a tribal member today is proof that the General Membership is in fact the final authority in matters of enrollment and disenrollment.

FOREMAN said...

WHAT

'aamokat said...

Foreman said, what:

This is the truth, the reason Russell Butch Murphy is a tribal member today, who sits on the tribal council, is because his family was turned down for tribal membership and the people voted to overrule the enrollment committee and to take them in as tribal members.

There is a clause in the Band's constitution and bylaws under Article II, section B, that allows people to be adotped into the tribe provided they were accepted in the Indian way prior to 1928.

Ironic that technically this would apply to Rose Murphy if she wasn't blood of the tribe but should this apply to her children as well?

Well regardless the people did vote to take in her descendants on April 20, 1986 at a meeting of the people (special single subject meeting) so that is why Butch is in the tribe today.

Another irony is that reportedly Hunter family members helped them get the vote put in front of the people and then in their disenrollment Butch reportedly voted against them in their appeal while sitting on the tribal council.

Butch can claim he is blood of the tribe all he wants but if that is the case, then why was his family turned down for membership by the enrollment committee?

But it, as I said, shows that the people are the final authority on enrollment and disenrollment so if they could vote to take Rose Murphy's descendants into the tribe in 1986, then they could and did vote to stop the Hunters' disenrollment in 2005.

'aamokat said...

I have to add that the exception to the rule of the people being the final authority on enrollment and disenrollment is the moratorium which I believe is not legal because it is stipulated in the Band's constitution and bylaws that open enrollment is the first month of each year so moratorium people should be let into the tribe.

So if I was still in the tribe I would be arguing to let them in on those grounds.

After the people voted to outlaw disenrollment in 2005 and I thought I would still be in the tribe I was trying to get a petition presented to end the moratorium but I was disenrolled before I could do so.

'aamokat said...

So tribal hack why don't you try to argue tribal law with me?

Not that I am any kind of expert but I don't need to be as all I have to do is write what our constitution and bylaws says and let it speak for itself.

Anonymous said...

Anyone get enrolled yet (haha) this month,hell no!

'aamokat said...

"Anyone get enrolled yet (haha) this month,hell no!"

The Ha Ha Dork is at it again.

You guys think you are invincible but remember Saddam Huessein thougt he was invincible until he had to go hide in a hole in the ground and when he was captured he found himself dancing on air at the end of a rope.

Now I am not suggesting violence in any way, shape, or form to acheive our goals as I have been and still am on record as opposing any kind of violence to acheive our goals, I don't want to be banished for a non exsistant threat like John Gomez was banished for, but my point is Hussein did fall and he had a lot more power than the Ha Ha Dork or any of the corrupt people who turned on their fellow tribal members could even imagine and yes he was brought down like all tyrants in the end are brought down. So if he can be brought down, then certainly they can be brought down too.

'aamokat said...

By the way, I am not advocating overthrowing the tribal government as that would be as illegal as what happened to us but I do support recalling any tribal officials who were culpable in violating their fellow tribal members' rights by legal means if any tribal members have the courage to do so, which is their right to do under the Band's constitution and bylaws.

Ironic that prior to our disenrollments our families were accused by the CPP of trying to overthrow the government, that we were planning a recall of the tribal council.

Unfortunately that wasn't in our plans, as it was just a rumor, maybe it should have been and it wouldn't have been an overthrow but within the bounds of the laws of the Band.

Anonymous said...

I am not the tribal hack (haha)I just asked if anyone got enrolled yet?

Anonymous said...

Be careful ,the court will not protect you if you get kicked off your land you know that right?

'aamokat said...

I am tired of being scared of what 'they' can do to me as they have already done all they can do to me anyway.

As the Ha Ha Dork says, I am an American citizen so I have freedom of speech to say what I think.

Besides, I have no power really to act on what I think so nothing has changed.

But I will continue to express my opinions all that I want.

Anonymous said...

(LIVING IN THE SHADOW OF SOMEONE ELSES DREAM).

thats no way to live!

'aamokat said...

"(LIVING IN THE SHADOW OF SOMEONE ELSES DREAM).

thats no way to live!"

But if you are coming here to discourage us, then it won't work as we are not going to give up as even if it seems at times like we are being ineffective there very well can be things that are going on behind the scenes that are working in our favor plus faith has a lot to do with it as God and everyone who is honest and knows the facts knows we are right in our cause.

No, we are not going away ever!

One thing I think that is amazing is that if we really can't do anthing about what happened to us, then why do those people who come to try to discourage us even bother as if we really can't do anything to help our cause, then it wouldn't matter what we say here would it?

Anonymous said...

That does puzzle me?

Why would someone getting 25,000 a month care about what you say in this small room?

I could only guess that it might be someone who feels they play some big part in their sad justice system.

I would not come here and toot my horn if I was them.

They fall way short and have no legal system in place (to toot their horn about).

So when you speak about the process you went thru its not much to speak of because they have no real system in place.

'aamokat said...

"So when you speak about the process you went thru its not much to speak of because they have no real system in place."

The thing is when we were disenrolled they didn't even have a process in place as it was no longer even a part of tribal law but even so if the procedures had been in place, they were not even followed as we were supposed to be told exactly why our membership was being questioned in both the letter to us from the enrollment committee and at the initial meeting with the enrollment committee but all we got was some hearsay statments from the CPP that were directly contradicted by current elders not from the CPP and of course elders from the historical period of when the reservation was created and a list of documents to turn in to the committee.

"That does puzzle me?

Why would someone getting 25,000 a month care about what you say in this small room?"

I think we are stepping on some toes here as in the back of their mind were are making some of them very uncomfortable.

Anonymous said...

WHAT???...go back to being an "ordinary American?"..whats that mean..the tribal people have super powers?...its too bad the "ordinary Americans " are stupid enough to go the the Superior American Tribal casinos and throw away so much money

Anonymous said...

You have duel citizenship,your one of those stupid people that throw away money to!

Tribal super powers? "please" The federal government gave them those powers and don't ever forget it!

The White man pulls the strings and congress would be the super power that would make change.

The key here is the right (front man)or people(or victim) to approach congress.

I think a good FRONT person would be carol with the washington tribe for the simple reason because she won in U.S Federal court and the tribe told the U.S COURT to screw off.

(This is what I mean by a front group).

Anonymous said...

I dont have duel citizenship idiot...I am not tribal and I usd to go to Pechanga and gamble...not anymore...so get your facts straight!and it was the voters of California that let them have gambling and the voters can take it away!

Anonymous said...

It was the Federal government BONEHEAD indian land is FEDERAL!

California voters can,t stop shit!

Wheres the CITY law suit for money against the tribe ?

IN FEDERAL COURT ! THE STATE COULD NOT CLOSE PECHANGA DOWN ,THEY WOULD NEED HELP FROM THE FEDS!

IDIOT!

Anonymous said...

Does anyone know a count of how many people are in the moratorium?

Also, how many tribal members are there?

Anonymous said...

I saw a list with three or four hundred names. Some of those people on the list or their families have been disenrolled.

Anonymous said...

There is no count for the moratorium.

I'm wondering if IN the moratorium is the correct verbage. I don't believe you are in a waiting list for entry into the tribe. If the tribe lifted the unlawful moratorium, it's not like there's a list of people that would be enrolled immediately.

All who are not in the tribe that can meet the enrollment requirements are caught BY the moratorium, no IN the moratorium. Its a simple ruse to keep people out.

Want to bet if the moratorium was lifted Feb 1st, that the ruling would be that NEXT January, people can try to enroll? Thus making sure that 10 months of per capita were not shared with new family entrants?

Anonymous said...

What?

First of all,they don,t want to open enrollment because current members who are not pechanga will also have their family members approach the enrollment committee and try to get enrolled and this will cause more fighting (does anyone feel this)?

Anonymous said...

So caught BY the moratorium is I assume the correct verbage. I just thought that the tribe might have a list of names stuck in the filing cabinet for future "openings".

If I were the tribe, out of the list of names awaiting entry, I would already know if so and so belong. I assume there are names that are trying for entry into the wrong tribe, not legit or have definate ancestral links to Pechanga. As I know that at one time one of my great aunts thought we were of a different tribe do to location.

Even if I had to wait another year for enrollment, had to donate certain hours monthly, and try for an office position :), I would be happy. Atleast something would be happening to bring people together.

Anonymous said...

What? Filing cabinet?

What planet are you from?

Wait another year? Office position?

Come again,wait maybe I am on the wrong website let me check ?

Are you talking about the pechanga tribe? or ?

Anonymous said...

file what? ask for reveiw what? dont take my land what?ORIGINAL PECHANGA DESCENDENTS HAVE HAD THEIR 8 GENERATIONS OF HERITAGE AND LAND STOLEN WHO ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT NOT PECHANGA please please just give back my idenity my land my bloodright oohhh!!! I dont think so wake the hell up and fight now !!
PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST PROTEST AT THE REZ-THE REZ THE REZ THE REZ-THE REZ-PROTEST AT THE REZ-CALLING ALL MORITORIUM INDIANS

Anonymous said...

This quote, "California voters can,t stop shit!" is very false.
Yes they can!! Gaming has is a State by State option....the state and its people vote to allow gaming or not, you bone head.Terminate Pechanga! They don't belong and they are going to ruin California Indian Gaming for all!!!

Anonymous said...

What I meant by "filing cabinet" was that the tribe has to have records of who they sent letters to about being in the moratorium!

It was a figure of speech because in theory your applications could be in the garbage and that is where the moratorium names went.

Also my comments about waiting another year was in response to this stagnant waiting game that is going on and that last writer said the tribe would probably lift the moratorium in Feb. so making everyone wait another year!!!

People should not be so quick to insult unless they read posts and understand what is being written.

I was just hoping they would lift the moratorium so things would get moving again.

Anonymous said...

If the California voters cant overturn gambling then why did they have to vote to allow it in the first place IDIOT-BONEHEAD form above?they may be on federal land, but California could still stop the gambling if the voters approved it....and how many millions did Pechanga spend on commercials asking California voters to give them the Casino?...you speak with forked tongue!!

Anonymous said...

No they can,t stop gaming boneHEADS,THE TRIBE IS TO POWERFUL GO AWAY !

To many whores,pimps and gamblers to late shut up and go away.

Anonymous said...

HAha

Anonymous said...

They people of California don't have to eliminate tribal gaming, they just have to approve gaming throughout CA.
Imagine if the population bases got gaming that was completely regulated by the state. Think many OC people would drive to Temecula anymore, except for wine country?

Anonymous said...

That is why you are still on this blog....The only one that will go away will be you and your family....You guy's are afraid.

Anonymous said...

"To many whores,pimps and gamblers to late shut up and go away."....vices and/or ill behavior will exist with or without gaming, Bonehead! Wayz, Cali people can put an end to Indian Gaming in Cali if they want, it's the bottom line. So stop with all the will my way right rhetoric. Pechanga will be the demise of the exclusive rights of Indian Gaming in California. The rest of the Tribes will then and only then speak out until then they will stay in there shells. That's just how they roll these dayz.

Anonymous said...

Take , take, why don,t you try giving to your city state or country?

I mean working for them? There is honor in that (do something with your life)!

Don't just smoke pot ,and work at the casino? (no motivation) be a world leader! Not a pothead !

Anonymous said...

Wasen't the gaming compact for 20 year's then it needs to go back to the people to revote on.