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Tuesday, June 5, 2012

Sheriffs to SCAN License Plates at Pala, Rincon, San Pasqual casinos. If you are concerned about privacy rights, STAY AWAY!


A new patrol vehicle that is able to scan hundreds of license plates at a time was deployed Monday in Valley Center, Sheriff's Department officials said.
The $78,673 Dodge Charger was purchased with a grant from East County gambling tribes, officials said. It's not the first vehicle equipped with plate-reading technology, but it will be the first to be used in the county's rural areas, said Lt. Michael McClain of the Valley Center sheriff's substation.
"It's fantastic to have this at our disposal," McClain said.

Sheriff's officials said the vehicle will be used in North County casinos, such as Pala Casino and Valley View Casino, which have multiple-level parking lots. Deputies will be looking in particular for stolen vehicles.

Can you say:  VEGAS BABY!

 The Valley Center substation serves the communities of Valley Center, Pauma Valley, Palomar Mountain and Rancho Guejito. It also serves several reservations, such as La Jolla, Pala, Rincon and San Pasqual. The money for the vehicle came from the Barona Band of Mission Indians and the Sycuan Band of Mission Indians through the Indian Gaming Local Community Benefit Committee.

The committee was formed to distribute grants aimed at reducing the off-reservation problems caused by tribal gaming, such as crime, traffic and gambling addiction.

25 comments:

Erick Rhoan said...

If a cop were stationed outside the casino manually reading and writing down license plates, and then calling the plate numbers in to check for stolen vehicles, then this device would essentially replace those manual tasks.

I'm not sure how much of a privacy violation this is, especially since your 4th Amendment rights are not really implicated when you drive a vehicle in public, and you can only drive that vehicle by voluntarily becoming licensed to do so by the state in which you reside in. You don't have a reasonable expectation of privacy out in public, and especially at a casino parking garage that's open to the public. (The fact that it's sovereign land doesn't matter since CA is a PL-280 state.)

It would be one thing if they got into your garage without a warrant and scanned it, but this is sounds like something else completely.

Anonymous said...

Would the sheriffs be able to set up a drunk driver checkpoint on sovereign nation?

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't there be a reasonable suspicion that a car was stolen?

Erick Rhoan said...

@Anonymous, 10:54 AM: It depends; I'm not particularly versed on Cal Criminal laws on Indian land, and I think the tribe has some say in law enforcement, as well as whether the suspect is Indian or non-Indian. But DUI laws are California DUI laws, and generally, I know that state law enforcement can enforce state laws on Indian land via PL 280.

@Anonymous, 11:03 AM: Again, not a crim law whiz, but parking garages are used by the public, and so a cop doesn't need justification to look at a license plate. And since the license plate is attached to the vehicle, visible to anyone that passes by and in plain sight of the officer, there is no 4th Amendment protection.

smokeybear said...

Question, Erick. Could the Sheriff's Dept have a list of all "Disenrollees, and Banished Indians" and detain said Indians these Tribes see as "Undesireables?"..."Eagle Eyes."

Erick Rhoan said...

Smoke,

It's not a crime to be a disenrolled Indian, so cops can't arrest or detain anyone that has been disenrolled.

Anonymous said...

Yes they have a list and pictures of all dis enrolled Indians in Pala!! They need Andrew smiths pic the biggest drug dealer on the Rez!!!

Anonymous said...

If someone is on the pechanga banishment list , the tribe calls the sheriff and they come down to the rez.

The tribe shows the letter of exclusion to the police, the police state the tribe will arrest you for trespass if you don't leave.

If you don't leave the sheriff's deputy will take you into custody for the tribe.

Thats how it works.....

And there is a list at the guard shack of all people kicked off the rez....

Anonymous said...

Also ERIC thats NOT true about the disenrolled being detained!!!!


If a disenrolled person gets banished and trys to enter the REZ he could get detained by the Sheriff,,,....

Anonymous said...

The reservation is private property, any trespassers would get detained. If your on public property there is no crime

Erick Rhoan said...

Like I said, I don't do criminal law.

smokeybear said...

Erick, you speak of what should be under the "Law" as you know it, and what "Should Be," but "Indian Law" is somehow none existant, because of this "Sovereignty Issue." You know: "You can't make us do anything that we don't want to do." If we feel like "Disenrolling," we will, if we feel like stealing from the "Membership, we will, if we feel like "Ignoring" all creditable evidence proving that we belong, we will, and you can't stop us..."Alas,"... Sovereignty!"..."What a Concept!"..."Eagle Eyes."

smokeybear said...

Erick Rhoan said...
Like I said, I don't do criminal law.

Oh, Erick, but you do. Maybe not the "Heavy Ended Criminal Aspect", but "Criminal Law." In the "Americas' you have "Due Process," or what you can prove. When someone does something wrong, they go against the "Law," that is, it is deemed a "Criminal Offense" against that said "Law." But in "Indian Law" there is no "Due Process," and there lies the "Problem: Sovereignty." So in effect we welcome your input. What you said about "Disenrollee's" not being detained is what is right in the "White Mans World," but these "Corrupt and Criminal Tribal Leaders" refuse to honor the right of "Due Process." They don't have too, again: "Sovereignty." Who's to stop them? The B.I.A.? Not as of yet. You know: "It's an...Internal Matter." They "Recommend" Pala reinstate their "Disenrolled," they ignore it. The "Chukchansi" had a legal election where as "Lewis" lost and refuses to leave, in effect holding his "Tribe" as "Hostages."
We have "Constitutions and Bylaws"
in place, but for what, they ignore every aspect of its meaning...."Sovereignty!" It's still "Criminal Law." One is "Usefull, the other is "Useless."..."Eagle Eyes."

Anonymous said...

Stop with the quotation marks already. It is impossible to make sense out of ehat you say.

Anonymous said...

Nobody can accuse Eagle Eyes of being a plagiarist! He has the good sense of quoting just to be safe.

Grammar snobs are jackasses who do not appreciate the value of all who speak.

p.s. Eagle eyes..you do slay me with your "dribbles" when you mean drivel. LOL...I love your sincerity and I do understand what you say.:)

Anonymous said...

It is still irritating so won't try to read

Anonymous said...

Your loss!

Anonymous said...

No, not really. Other posters have intelligent things to say without getting cute.

smokeybear said...

Thanks, I think? But do you guys think I use to many "Quotes?"

Anonymous said...
No, not really. Other posters have intelligent things to say without getting cute.

There is "Nothing Cute" about our problems with these Criminal Tribal Leaders. So tell me, where does cute come into play?..."Eagle Eyes."

Anonymous said...

Wheres the pechanga IRS arrest?

Anonymous said...

IRS SITE
The office of Indian Tribal Governments has identified various abuses and schemes that cause financial risk to the tribes and their tribal members. Examples of current abuses and schemes are listed below:

Improper sheltering of taxable gains by passing third party transactions through Indian tribes
Disguising of enterprises to appear as tribally-owned so as to evade Federal Unemployment Tax and oversight by state insurance regulators

Embezzlement from tribal enterprises

(Use of Tribal credit cards for personal gain)

Use of Casino comps for purposes unrelated to gaming play

Illegal activities (i.e. Bribes and Kickbacks) in enterprises where tribes lack adequate internal control

Employment Tax Irregularities
Improper tax treatment of the use of net gaming revenue, including misclassified distributions to tribal members

Misrepresentation of federal status of tribe to attempt to obtain tax advantages

Misrepresentation of treaty provisions to claim improper tax relief

Claiming nonresident alien status through the filing of false Forms W-8BEN

Schemes related to Income derived from the land

Anonymous said...

Shouldn't there be a reasonable suspicion that a car was stolen?

NO!

The plain view doctrine allows an officer to seize – without a warrant – evidence and contraband found in plain view during a lawful observation. This doctrine is also regularly used by TSA Federal Government Officers while screening persons and property at U.S. airports....

smokeybear said...

Anonymous...June 10, 2012 12:40 PM

This may help the Sheriff's Dept. find a stolen car, but do you really think that this is the real reason they now have this high powered equipment? Just think of what this equipment can actually do? Remember this equipment was funded by a couple of Indian Tribes. If Tribes that may (or may not, I think it is may) have a list of Disenrolled, Banished, or deamed Undesireables at the guard shacks, or wherever, and the Sheriff scans and finds someone on these lists and notifies the Tribe that they are on the Rez, things could turn Nasty for those individuals. That is an awful lot of money paid for equipment just to find a stolen car. How many stolen cars could there be? Just asking!..."Eagle Eyes."

Anonymous said...

If your afraid of the application of justice your a criminal.
Don't drive stollen cars and you will be fine!
I hope the cops catch all of the drug addict, gang banger losers!

smokeybear said...

Let us "Hide and Watch" how they use this "High Powered Equipment?"
And who benifits from its use.
..."Eagle Eyes."