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Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Pala Chairman Robert Smith Not Providing Equal Protection for His Tribal Citizens?

I received some information regarding Pala Chairman Robert Smith's use of selective enforcement on their recent disenrollments:

There is a great deal of dialogue going on with Robert Smith’s arbitrary, capricious and patently illegal application of information taken from the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll. This application of “Rocinda Nolasquez” raises more question about why no one has bothered to raise any concern about the official correction made that disallows “Mexican Indian blood” to calculate an applicant’s Indian blood.

Please note that Rocinda lists Merced Nolasquez as her mother. Uncontroverted historical evidence proves Merced and Margarita Brittain were half-sisters with the same father, Peligrino Ortega.

I hope this specific application can be placed in public view to inspire discussion on the violations by the Smith regime of human rights and rights of the disenrolled guaranteed by the federal Indian Civil Rights Act.

rocindanolasquez1262

It seems that Chairman Smith has some explaining to do. Why did they not disenroll the family of Merced? We should again ask for field hearings.

81 comments:

Anonymous said...

Well what do have to say for yourself Yaqui Mel?
What do you have to say for youself Yaqui Doreen?
What do you have to say for yourself Yaqui Donna?
What's up Yaqui Leroy? Are you still pursuing male prostitutes?
What a mess you have started in Pala!
Do your job Robert smith!
If it's about blood then disenrollments will happen to this family!

Anonymous said...

Is Robert Smith using the same roll for all enrolled members? Meaning if he used a 1928 roll to dienroll members of the Brittian family shouldn't others, including his family and Leroys be disenrolled?

United we stand said...

He's sovereign. (said with a whole lot of sarcasm) he can pick and choose who he wants on his team. Only problem smith. YOUR. Not sovereign. The TRIBE is. Prepare yourself spaniard. Because you are just gonna wind up disenrolling half the tribe. All this talk about "oh you know your white". Please bring forth a full blood do I can meet one. I'd love to do that.

Anonymous said...

Are you sure Robert Smith doesn't descend from the white men that took land from you in the first place? It's the same denial of rights, isn't it? I can't believe members of the Pala tribe continue to let this monster act as a dictator. I understand he uses fear to intimidate you into silence but someday it will be you being disenrolled. This is just the beginning of his plan to destroy the Pala tribe, quit letting him get away with it!

In the land of the blind. said...

When are the Feds gonna ask a question to as why the appeal didn't get returned until just after those crowned ec takes a vote to say the bia took to long to return thier recommendation. Also who gives smith and co the right to make up laws as they go and determine how long the bia has to act. I'm an outsider but seems to me me there is alot of conflict of interest with Amy d and Sarah d and even looks to me that eben might be bought and paid for. If say an internal investigation of the riverside bia. Smith has some pull there and seems like there are some other hands in the cookie jar. A little fishy from the outside looking in.

Anonymous said...

I just got a letter reminding me I'm dis-enrolled cuz the BIA took to long sending in their recommendation. Is it coincidence or SOMETHING ELSE that this letter from Pala comes right i mean right before the BIA sent us their recommendation. "wink" "wink" something's fishy! Besides I thought there was NO TIME LIMIT on the BIA making their recommendation? oh and I love how the letter from Pala made clear the BIA is only making a RECOMMENDATION

Anonymous said...

How can Pala EC have two sisters with the same father but only dis-enroll one sister's family saying her father is unknown when the two sister are marked as having the same father? Can u say PICKING AND CHOOSING

Anonymous said...

How are you gonna vote on this one dion?
How are you gonna vote on this one teresa?
The evidence is clear in this one!!!!!!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I thought Pala only excepted Cupa blood? So these Nolasquez documents state she has "Mexican Indian blood" not of the United States...so how can Pala except this, her descendants should be dis-enrolled as well!

Anonymous said...

I thought Pala only excepted Cupa blood? So these Nolasquez documents state she has "Mexican Indian blood" not of the United States...so how can Pala except this, her descendants should be dis-enrolled as well!

Anonymous said...

The Pala EC is stupid by starting this your gonna end up dis-enrolling a whole bunch of Pala people u should of just left this CAN OF WORMS closed EC. But then Robert Smith thinks he can do WHATEVER HE WANTS! Doesnt he realize THE TRIBE IS SOVEREIGN NOT HIM!! I know Robert listens to his lawyers Howard Dickstien but Howard don't care he's made enough money off of Pala! He's a lawyer I'm sure he's covered his own ass when shit hits the fan he can say "I just work for the chairman" it's all gonna fall on Robert Smith!

Anonymous said...

Theresa Nieto, Theresa Villa and Dion Should get out while they can and side with the people before Robert and Leroy take the whole EC down which they will..when all this comes to light and the wrongfully dis-enrolled get re-enrolled can u say impeachment! If these 3 on the EC sides with the general council the real voting power they might save their own skin and fix all this.

Anonymous said...

The BIA recommendation says "NO EVIDENCE has been provided by Pala to support their dis-enrollments..so the BIA recommends Pala keep us on the Pala roles"
Why has Pala not given any evidence to the BIA as to why they dis-enrolled Margarita's family?? BECAUSE THERE IS NO EVIDENCE!!!!!

Anonymous said...

How can the Pala EC disenroll without turning in evidence to the BIA? Who do they think they are to pull something so illegal and dishonest like this? Do they really think they can get away with this..it's so ridiculous its laughable! Im sorry I just can't believe how idiotic this is.

Anonymous said...

It has to hurt that the "light skinned" natives have more of a right than the "yaqui skinned" mexicans to be enrolled.

Anonymous said...

I feel that dion perez and Teresa nieto have played their part in this whole mess.Dion Perez is the one who made the motion to disenroll the original eight! Don't be fooled by teresa nieto going to church,it's all a front!
Seeing this credible evidence shown above,and if it's truly about blood I would expect a vote from them to disenroll!

Justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

Just more evidence to show Smith did this because of a grudge held against one of MB family. He is picking and choosing who he no longer wants in the tribe. He is given WAY too much power. The tribe must stand up against this man before only his family remains. All the enrolled think they are safe. Not as long as Smith and his regime are in control. The MB decendants have proven their case, the BiA agrees. Time to make things right Smith. You clearly once again violated the rights of those disenrolled by not waiting for BIA response and once again gave no reason for disenrollment. When someone is tried they are supposed to be presented with the evidence against them. You coward you have no proof this is why you didn't present proof to them. How you sleep at night is beyond me you are heartless, a corrupt leader and will be made to answer to your wrongdoings one day.

Anonymous said...

This case is really no different than Pechangas...the tribe paid an expert, the expert said the people were Pechanga and Mark still kicked them out...why is Mark any than Smith?..they are both criminals IMO....Native Americans everywhere should be calling for a condemning of these leaders....who are just looking to feather their own and their friends nests.....it should be charged criminally as theft.

Anonymous said...

Oh no! Tell me it's not so mel, tell me its not so doreen, do you understand those documents leroy? guess u can call that living a big FAT lie? Do the right thing, get your kids and grandkids off of pala's roll, greedy ass shit talkers

Speaker of truth said...

So this means when time came to enroll someone in this family the BIA would send back a doesn't meet requirements for enrollment and Robert smith would enroll them anyways!
Or is robert smith bypassing the BIA all together when it comes to enrollment and this family?
Here is another way robert smith has ripped off the Tribe!

Anonymous said...

When you are born back in the late 1700's on into the 1800's what country was this? So do the Kummay who had to stay in Mexico because they where cut off because of the border considers Mexican?

Anonymous said...

I don't know about any other cases,but in this case YAQUI IS NOT NATIVE TO THE UNITED STATES! IT DOESN'T GET ANY CLEARER THAN THAT!
robert smith knew this and still continued to enrolled this family.
These are the people who holler and scream at every one at Tribal meetings! How screwed up is that!

Anonymous said...

So say another chairman was elected..can he re-enroll this family and then dis-enroll another family that did him wrong? How is that possible, isn't there laws or a constitution they have to follow to prevent this like the President has to? I mean if every President of the U.S. was allowed to do whatever he wanted the country would be a mess and change every 4-8 years. That's why there is a constitution to stop things like this no matter who is in charge.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Anonymous said:

"So say another chairman was elected..can he re-enroll this family and then dis-enroll another family that did him wrong? How is that possible, isn't there laws or a constitution they have to follow to prevent this like the President has to?"

There is a constitution and there are laws, but it is up to the people to make sure their tribal officers are upholding the law. If the people are afraid to stand up to the leader because he threatens them with disenrollment or even violence, the the leader can walk all over them. This is Pala in a nutshell. The evil dictator, Robert Smith, has intimidated, bribed, or eliminated his opposition, and does as he wishes.

We will keep fighting, but it would make it much easier if the tribe was to join together and stand up to him. Now that we have no role in tribal politics we can't vote him out so it is up to the Tribe. So Pala, do you really want this jerk to continue to rob you blind, tear apart your families, and laugh at you while he does it?

Anonymous said...

yes he is one of our best leaders..to correct what shouldn't of happened in the first place was truly the act of great leader...it took 28 years to get this actually corrected from our enrollment...so it would've been better if these families were explained why they are off the rolls by the united states government..other tribes still have to clean up there enrollments also so its just not casino tribes other tribes are doing the same so that the next hundred years from now we will be truly who are tribes are..so let this be a lesson to anyone trying to get enrolled in a tribe they better know where they come from..and don't lie about it also ..or try to deceive the tribes enrollment officers...many tribes because of self preservation have to clarify they're enrollment rolls..all tribes across the nation already are or have done a enrollment audit,and have cleaned up their enrollment mistakes or people who have wrongly enrolled some of their friends or step children or even adopted children ....this is way of the future...so its not about money or politics its about self preservation of indian degree blood in all tribes across the nation..i know of a tribe getting ready to audit there blood lines soon..just like the california tribes have done already ,so look at the bigger picture instead of your smaller picture..this has to be done for the entire tribal governments across the us nations...who ever has blasted california tribes for their participation in self governing of their self preservation rules or laws should study indian law or take a course in native american studies and you all will instead of hating these tribes for their enrollment audits .to understanding them and appreciate their duty to protect the entire enrollment process's unlike before where there was an all out enrollment program enrolling just because they lived on the rez lands all their childhoods and believe they were part of some thing..and shame on you who criticized these leaders as bad leaders ..or tribes as bad tribes for doing there job to protect their tribally enrolled people..and way of life...i understand only because i have a degree in american indian studies..

Anonymous said...

Is that a cracker jack degree?

Anonymous said...

@8:36 apart from the disenrolling do you study in embezzling and how much your "leader" has taken from your tribe but you dont care do you? as long as you get your check your can careless right? the new "casino native" ways

Anonymous said...

@9:05 you have a lot of issues to deal with,u are speaking out of hate,just because my leader has so much well he should,he is only married to another tribal member and they do have young adult children id be worried if he was broke all the time ,that would mean he couldn't manage all his business.so quit it with embezzlement comments,you too would have lots of money if u knew how to manage it,he is married to another tribal member who get s benefits too..leave in peace don't you know you have no teachings,,,all this said hog wash you spew out ,,dang get ur facts straight before you get all radical...ur one of those radicals..who inspire hate..dont hate the playa hate the game...radical person....as you youngsters say..

Anonymous said...

all of our enrolled member s do realize what happened now , and the reason, so some are ok now about it after seeing themselves the proof of what was done wrongfully way back in the old days and how it affected them up to today..they are glad and most won't want to comment do to respect to the death threats and such radical type attacks on who respected our tribal decisions regarding the event.this wasn't made by our leaders this was by the people of the tribe...so blame all of us not just the leaders...we saw we up held our tribes rules and laws..and had an audit of the blood lineage..so peace be with all of us and peace be with you too as are teachings taught us to love our enemy's and be in peace ......

United we stand said...

Wow. Still not one shred of supporting evidence to the claim. Imagine that. The brainwashing of the people is complete e c. Good job. As we don't have to go through ALL our evidence to the contrary. Let's see it. One price of paper. One pc of n e thing. Exactly. Shut up! You morally unsound college of Robert smith graduate.

United we stand said...

I'll tell u what. You present to me the evidence that overwhelmingly supported this disenrollment and over powers the countless pcs of evidence we put forth. Then I will do everything in my power to convince my family we shouldn't fight and just walk away from my heritage. But at the same time. I want to see the tribe act on the evidence we brought forth and disenroll the yanquis that are currently enrolled. Leroy. Dion. Theresa. Mel. And so forth. Then I will 100% believe that all this is not for greed and personal gain by the few in control. Until then. Provide evidence or stay out of the conversation.

United we stand said...

Also. One more tiny thing. It's funny you said this decision was made by "the people of the tribe" not by the leaders. Guess what. I can round up a qaurum of my family members too to vote on an issue this important without making the meeting public. If I wanted to sneak something past everyone. Last I heard. There were around 900 members. Oh wait. Smith and co. Only count thier families as " the people". Now get ur facts straight retard.

Anonymous said...

@9:47 So if I go to your lineage and pen mark your ancestor as 1/2 will you go by that?

Hpinkmi said...

My Grandmother Pauline Pink raised me to be proud of my heritage and she enrolled me. My Grandmother told me I belong to this tribe and She enrolled me. The truth is Robert and Leroy have a vendetta against our family for year the final blow to Leroy was his secret life style he lives. He wants to talk about how we are all family and cuz and how he is all about the culture and preservation. If thar is so true and that is what he is about he will take his personal feeli gs oit of the equation and do whay is right and fix the wrong he started. True Natives do not stab someone in the back. They are peaceful people. If our MB and her family were here to see how the EC let the whiteman corrupt their minds yhe would banish them. The elders would banish the EC so why will the Natives of Pala stand up to the EC and do what our Great Great Great Grandmothers and Father done. Its not about blood but what is right. I am Kupa-Luisano and the Ec will never brainwash me with their lies. I will fight to honor my Grandmother Pauline.

Anonymous said...

if anyone should be more concerned should be me because my grandchildren don't make the enrollment requirements ...but you don't see me all in a radical movement against a whole tribe of enrolled members do you..i have to make sure my own is well taken care of by my decisions of today...unlike you radicals...warring on our tribe and accusations let the the hate go ...get better educated then u don't need to thrive off any tribe..as the NIKE COMMERCIALS SAY JUST DO IT..OR, DO THE DEW ..TAKE CARE OF YOUR OWN WORLD FIRST..make better use of ur time and go to college...maybe get in indian law that way u can do better in ur life..enit ...

Anonymous said...

you should go see what other tribes are doing then come back with your new education of tribal preservation process's or laws..all of indian nations are doing the same thing its not personal you know..your getting all personal ....cant you read the rules ..dont you understand the rules..quit it with all your rants and raves..ur sounding like a broken record already sheesh fella...you should be praying or sweat lodging or some thing of your teachings ....quit it now already we know the truth and the truth prevailed...enit..

Anonymous said...

the truth is YAQUI IS NOT NATIVE TO THE UNITED STATES!...enit.....
that's the TRUTH!...enit.....

justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

11:00 Thank you. I hold a Bachelors degree in Criminal Justice. I do have a degree. We HAVE educated ourselves, on the facts, that are in the numerous documents that support the evidence that MB was 4/4 and who her father was. I guarantee you that you have not seen all of the official documents and letters we have if you did you would not have an issue with us being right at all. You have all been so brainwashed by Robert and the EC you refuse to even look at the truth. Another thing, this issue was put to rest in 1989 by the BIA and the tribe itself. It is obvious a personal grudge against one of the family members of MB brought this out again when a final decision was rendered on it over 20 years ago by Secretary of Interior, the highest authority on Indian Affairs. Also, your tribe voted on it then as well. It saddens me to think 1 man has brainwashed all you people into believing his lies. If you don't believe me just ask. Ask for them to present to the tribe and account for EVERY penny as to who gets what and why. You will see why Robert has such great wealth I promise you that. Instead of hating on us just simply take a look at all the documents we have presented and ask the EC for financial information have an outside source look at these records and then tell me who you believe.

Anonymous said...

all tribes are doing an blood lineage audit..dont you see this isn't personal as you rave about ..all tribes have to submit to the interior a report of blood lineage of all enrolled members,you go ask around ask people in other states not just your local tribes go out and see what the other tribes are doing to clean up their enrollments,your a radical person attacking anyone who is a member of our tribe,if ur not careful i can sue you for defamation of my tribe and its business's as well as the employees of my tribe..so there ..if u want to be further in debt u better not use any one of my tribes business names ill get u for spreading ur evil hatred for being excluded from our tribes...who ever opened this blog better close it this isn't the freedom of speech this is pure radical terrorists type activity...scareing our customers away from our tribes ..u will learn to of the law and what you can't promote or sell in this blog room..terrorist against tribes with casino's...blogging..

Anonymous said...

Tribes are sovern you can not sue! Plus the people here are covered under freedom of speech. This whole mess is not about cleaning house its about how they can get back at King and Willie. If its about clean up then ask Leroy and Robert to remove themselves from the enrollment committee and let bias people do the job right. Good luck sueing because you have no grounds.

Anonymous said...

Could you clarify that. Freedom of speech does not mean freedom of action. I do not understand what you are saying.

Anonymous said...

People have every right to voice their own mind. If you can sue then sue! Tired of you Robert loving people who hide the truth. Sue so all the truth can come out and they can see Leroy and Robert for who they really are hatefull bitter dictators. So the people of California could see how the big money tribes throw their money around to do as they please hurting families. Action speeks louder then words. Do it!

Justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

Bullshit on all tribes doing blood lineal audit and if that is the case the BIA says they have the blood required so that wouldn't fly if the BIA requested it they would uphold their 1989 final decision and the recent recommendations. Robert Smith has slandered the MB family name with his lies. The things we are saying is the truth tthat you don't want to hear and are pissed off if you dint like it don't come here and read it.

Anonymous said...

Well why are you just sitting there. Get your family and friends together who are tribal members to request an amendment to enrollment policy. Have it changed to total blood or lineal descent. Don't waste another second of your grandchildren's lives get them enrolled. 1/16 was just a number someone thought of at the time.

Anonymous said...

Here is another example of Robert smith exceeding his lawfull authority as an elected official by continuing to enroll this family.He has known for many years this family doesn't have the blood to be enrolled and he did it anyways!
My question here is did a recommendation from the BIA come back saying doesn't meet requirements to be enrolled ?
Or is he bypassing the BIA all together?
How do you feel about this people of Pala?
Why are there double standards in Pala?

Anonymous said...

Just like mb they are eventually gonna wash out,that don't mean there kids will be from no where they will always be the people of Cupa no matter what race they have become! Regardless of a number roll number . I think some families know that , but what about the families that have 3 more generations to go regardless who they mate with? No one is mentioning them, then to top it off they where adopted.

Anonymous said...

It's not a matter of "washing out"
It's a matter of people exceeding their duties as "elected officials!"
If their ever was a tribe that needed the government to come in and clean a mess up,it's Pala.
there is a problem here and unfortunately it's only going to get worse!

Anonymous said...

My point is that eventually the Cupa blood runs out , that don't mean the total Indian blood you have stops. Pala does not count total Indian blood! So if you know you are native you are native.

Anonymous said...

your yaqui too what are u screaming about king freeman ,and mr.johson...quit it with your death threats ..

Anonymous said...

I don't think so sucka !

smokeybear said...

Anonymous said...
all tribes are doing an blood lineage audit..dont you see this isn't personal as you rave about ..all tribes have to submit to the interior a report of blood lineage of all enrolled members,you go ask around ask people in other states not just your local tribes go out and see what the other tribes are doing to clean up their enrollments,your a radical person attacking anyone who is a member of our tribe,if ur not careful i can sue you for defamation of my tribe and its business's as well as the employees of my tribe..so there ..if u want to be further in debt u better not use any one of my tribes business names ill get u for spreading ur evil hatred for being excluded from our tribes...who ever opened this blog better close it this isn't the freedom of speech this is pure radical terrorists type activity...scareing our customers away from our tribes ..u will learn to of the law and what you can't promote or sell in this blog room..terrorist against tribes with casino's...blogging

Well now, we must be doing something right! Your nothing but a "Treasonous Parasite." You "Disenroll and Banish" for nothing more the "Greed and Self Interest." This blog has the "Ability" to expose all your "Corrupt and Criminal Activities" for all too see, and there is no way we are going to let up on your sorry "A..." The word is getting out there, and now your "Scared." Your unfounded lies are coming back to "Haunt You." Your about to have "Trouble In Paradise" with some "Jail Time!" If you are part of the "Problem," then you can expect to go down with them. There is no amount of "Damage Contol" that will fix the "Criminal Indescretions" that your "Tribal Leaders" have brought to bear for so long. Your day of "Reconing" is upon you...."Eagle Eyes."

Anonymous said...

Well said eagle eyes!

Anonymous said...

You know whats funny RS is married to a MB Family Member!!!

Anonymous said...

Yes, how can she live with what hes done. Specially after how hard Aunt Vi worked so hard with her sisters to get MB blood corrected. How can that family even look at the people that have hurt their MB relations.

Anonymous said...

I thought everyone knew the chairman was married to a Brittain descendent.

Anonymous said...

Wife probably was told the truth that's why. There is no other explanation is to how she can live with it.

Anonymous said...

So she thinks her aunt is lying?

Anonymous said...

Trina is a theif just like rob,that's how she lives with it!

Anonymous said...

no shame typical white people with all your slander B.I.A. Was in charge what year were u allowed to be enrolled how many years was king chairman why werent u enrolled then so B.I.A. NEVER ALLOWED YOUR ENROLLMENT WHATS THE CONNECTION KING FREEMAN AND MARGRET HILTON HE WAS CHAIRMAN AND I WILL LEAVE ALL THAT FOR U TO FILL IN AND ALL OF U FAT MOUTHING PEOPLE R NOTHING BUT SHOW IT DISGUSTING HOW U ALL BIRDSING AND CARRY YOURSELF WITH NO RESPECT I FORGOT YOU ALL DIDNT BECOME INDIAN TILL WHEN THATS WHY YOUR ALL SHOW NO HEARTS WITH YOUR SICK SELFS YOUR ONLY SHORT TERM NOT LONG TERM U DONT GOT IT U ALL WALK IN CIRCLES DONT KNOW WHO U R OR WHAT U R CANT STAND ALONE LOOK AT YOURSELFS I WATCH U ALL HAVE NO RESPECT OF OUR HISTORY BUT WE KNOW,

Anonymous said...

I am still not getting it. Aunt Vi didn't know what she was talking about at the meeting. She suddenly wanted King to enroll her relations. She hadn't been discussing it for years and years about the ink marking on a federal document that said M B was 4/4. She did support the efforts of her family to corrcecthe selfish hateful wrong that was done to her grandmother? Yes she did.

Anonymous said...

You know MB is 4/4,let's see credible evidence for disenrollment you chickenshits.I can't speak for anyone but myself but I personally never liked to hang around people like r smith or the Yaqui lavatos cause their a full of shit! Screw them and there false history. We know who MB was,we know who we are.
We have all the legal documents to back THE TRUTH. MAGARITA IS 4/4 Cupa!
YAQUI iS NOT NATIVE TO THE UNITED STATES!
From research I KNOW TRINA IS A THEIF LIKE ROB!

Anonymous said...

You are a know nothing.

Anonymous said...

Guilty by association!
No ones putting a gun to her head!
Shame on her for turning the right that Vivian fought soo hard for,in to a wrong!
What would she say to you Trina?
Do you think she's proud of what your a part of?

Anonymous said...

AUNT VB TAUGHT HER WELL!

Anonymous said...

I think VB would say do what it takes to take care of your children. VB would have made sure her family benefitted. Rite MB descendants ? I don't think Trina kids have NOTHING to worry about.

Anonymous said...

SAUBEL/ OWLINGUISH FAMILY
KAVAL KLAN
NO MATTER WHAT
WE ALL KNOW THE TRUTH

Anonymous said...

How childish and ignorant some assumptions are here, must be RS and his cronies using fiction to taint the truth, once again. Always taking the low road acting like they are the true Indians and no one else can compared to their superior indianess. Well, as far as VB is concerned, I think Alices children chose to align themselves with their first cousin, Robert Smith a long, long time ago. It has nothing to do with blood, it has everything to do with greed. Smith has been spreading his hate message for years and he and his cronies have an undeserved sense of entitlement. Right, sure is right, and wrong has never been more wrong. Well, that's what you get when you elect a corrupt, drug addled, drunk idiot, moron for a leader. Slander on, cronies, but try to use a little fact next time to add some credibilty, unless you, like smith are too ignorant to use sound, logical methods to arrive at correct conclusions.

Anonymous said...

WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUE FACTS?

JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHO WILL BE THE LAST SURVIVING ENROLLED MEMBERS.FIGURE IT OUT LOOK AT WHAT FAMILY GOT WITH WHO? MAYBE IT IS DESTINY THAT THEY BREED THE WAY THEY HAVE BRED . MAYBE VB TOLD THEM HOW TO SAVE THEMSELVES.

Anonymous said...

I think Vivian would cry if she saw what has become of Her relations!

Anonymous said...

Leroy bang yourself

Anonymous said...

I don't understand. What would it take to prove that Chairman Smith is wrong?

Anonymous said...

Call Leroy and rob yourself and tell them how you feel
Leroy: 7608075884
Rob:7608075795

Anonymous said...

I am appaulled by both sides. i am not enrolled but a decendant from this tribe who used to be so proud to be appart of. i have now realized that you are only defined by your enrollment number. ppl of mb have also made me feel like i dont belong just because i wasnt enrolled. I have never cared about getting a check and never will. so to hear both sides going off like this is discusting. All these bloggers trying to prove what? All your papers have no leg to stand on. Its all bullshit. point is even before the disenrollments everybody treated eachother like shit. no regards to anyone else but yourselves. There needs to be a change but some of you disenrollies should look at how you treated people before some of you do the samething that the other family is doing to you now. it sadens me. most of the people on the rez just expect demand and one thing all of you do that is all the same is point the blame. nothing will ever change. U should all learn to be humble and kind.

Anonymous said...

"All your papers have no leg to stand on. Its all bullshit. point is even before the disenrollments everybody treated eachother like shit. no regards to anyone else but yourselves."

The papers are necessary because they have been made necessary. We know who we are; they know who we are. They want to use the papers to change that. We are showing the papers can be used against them too.

People have not always acted kindly towards each other at Pala. How is that different than anywhere else in the world? Some people you like, some people you don't. That is why communtities have to have laws. The laws keep people from abusing each other. Unfortunately RS and the Executive Committee have broken the law, and then they are blaming us for their action.

The worst thing is that the Tribe does not benefit from there being fewer Indians. All it means is that the Tribe will die out sooner. Maybe that is what you should be disgusted about.

Anonymous said...

"I am appaulled by both sides. i am not enrolled but a decendant from this tribe who used to be so proud to be appart of. i have now realized that you are only defined by your enrollment number."

With or without a roll number stay proud of your heritage.

The history of this tribe is amazing, and it is unfortunate that the disenrollments are going to be like a scar on its face.

This has brought a lot of attention to the tribe in a negative light. Not just from the media or on this blog, but I have heard that the way this was handled was suspicious and raised "red flags" with the US government.

The Tribal lawyer (Dickstein) has been involved with several legal issues or problems with other tribes where according to their testimony he misled them and cost the tribes money. These are online in several places if you take the time to read the cases.

If I were a member of the tribal council I would be very concerned about what an investigation may turn up.

If I were one of the disenrolled, I'd fight for my history and to hold the BIA and Tribe to following the Tribal Constitution.

Any decent human understands the reason laws are made (or in this case a Tribal Constitution) is to protect all members from an overpowering government and to insure the integrity of the tribe.

Anonymous said...

"WHAT YOU DON'T LIKE THE TRUE FACTS?

JUST TAKE A LOOK AT WHO WILL BE THE LAST SURVIVING ENROLLED MEMBERS.FIGURE IT OUT LOOK AT WHAT FAMILY GOT WITH WHO? MAYBE IT IS DESTINY THAT THEY BREED THE WAY THEY HAVE BRED . MAYBE VB TOLD THEM HOW TO SAVE THEMSELVES."
So pretty much you are telling people the intention is for RS and his family to be the only remaining Pala enrolled members. Thanks for the info, the truth is right here in the pudding. It does not matter about anything else, just that you are the last and only members, so anyone not immediately related is going to be ousted. It will be the end of a tribe. How sad for you to see things this way. May God have mercy on your soul.

Anonymous said...

Regardless of how we feel about these people, stick to the issue that the Brittian disenrollments were illegal, rather than asking the Tribe to disenroll others, or asking why they haven't. We need to come together to fight illegal disenrollments and should at the same time reassure current members that our agenda is not to disenroll them, in retaliation, but only to seek justice for those disenrolled.

Anonymous said...

11:10, 3:50 Afraid there is alot of truth in what you are saying. There was a time when another family was top dog. Now that family is dying out. There was talk of unfairness, but the tribal laws kept things fair to all . What happened?

Anonymous said...

The biggest mistake was that the Pala members, including the disenrollees, voted on a constitution that gave so much power to 5 people. Need to pay attention guys!

Anonymous said...

No the tribe did not vote on the change in the constitution only 27 members (of Robert Smith's choosing) voted on it and Sarah, the lawyer, wrote it up and they passed it to the Sacramento regional director of the BIA, Amy (Sarah's Aunt) and the BIA pushed it through with approval.

Anonymous said...

Pala members did not vote on a constitution!
The constitution was supposed to be ratified at a general election where all members could vote on it.
smith had it voted on at a monthly meeting.
The constitution was never legitimately ratified!