Tuesday, September 29, 2015

Pala Chairman Smith: Violations of the 14th Amendment In Pala Disenrollments? Who NEEDS Equal Protection, Right?

We see this in a lot of tribes that are looking to get rid of families to control votes, increase per capita and to inhibit discovery of corruption.  Take a look at the examples of how PALA rules are applied to SOME, but not ALL.  


Why Won’t Robert Smith Examine the Rest of the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll Applications to determine Degree of Indian Blood?

Here are a few examples of 1928 Apps. If Robert Smith was to use his policy of unknown as non-Indian then all of the descendants of these Applicants would have to have their blood degree adjusted with most of them being disenrolled. So why did Robert Smith choose to only examine the blood degree of Margarita Britten and no other families? Here is a sampling of 1928 Applications of Pala residents. Attached is Robert Smith’s policy so you be the judge. It would truly appear that Robert Smith willfully and with malice decided to attack the heritage of the Britten family while ignoring similar evidence of other families to include his own.

App. 1089 Celsa Moro Apapas - I do not know who my father’s parents were. Page 4. So her father has to be non-Indian and therefore Celsa Moro Apapas is ½ Indian. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian Indian.
App. 1090 Claudia Apapas - Daughter of Celsa Moro Apapas. Record shows that her grandparents had the same mother different fathers but that they were brother and sister. Page 4. Grandparents were Cahuilla so total Cupeño blood is ¼. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian.
App. 1091 George Apapas - Grandparents Cahuilla. Mother Celsa Moro Apapas so George Apapas is ¼ Cupeño. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1092 James Apapas - Same as Apps 1090 and 1091. ¼ Cupeño Indian. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian.

App 1107 Sam Barker - Grandparents father’s side unknown. Stated as known - other grandparents Cahuilla. No Cupeño blood. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 3/4ths Indian.
App 1110 Lizzie Nejo Blacktooth. Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian as listed on Page 4. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1111 Pasqual Blacktooth. Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian as listed on Page 4. 1913 Allotment Roll listed as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1152 Jose Maria Chavez. One grandparent listed as unknown and one listed as Mexican on Father’s side. One grandparent listed as Antonia (last name unknown) and Full Blood. Other Grandparent is unknown. Therefore can only be 1/8th cupeno. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1179 Esperanza Blastro. Grandparents listed as unknown on both sides therefore non-Indian. Non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1203 Anselmo Leo - Grandparents listed as unknown on both sides therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1306 Angelita Barker Lugo - Grandparents on father’s side listed as unknown therefore non-Indian. Therefore can only be ½ Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 3/4ths Indian.
App 1211 Remijio Lugo - Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1240 Domingo Moro - Grandparents on father’s side unknown. Domingo Moro under Indian Homestead and a Citizen Indian. Unallotted-Unenrolled. Heirs unentitled to claim Indian.
App 1251 Jose Nejo Jr. - Grandparents on both sides unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1256 Carolina Nolasquez - Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on the 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1276 John Ortega - Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths.
App 1280 Jose Juan Owlinguish - Grandparents on both sides listed as unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on the 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1337 Juan Maria Sibimooat - Grandparents on both sides unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1913 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.
App 1210 Ramon Lugo - Grandparents on both sides unknown therefore non-Indian. Listed on 1895 Allotment Roll as 4/4ths Indian.

99 comments:

Anonymous said...

Obviously Roberts conclusion is bias. It would be that all Luiseno Indians has relations and hence 4/4 Indian would be the correct quantum.

To now be more exclusive based on evidence Luiseno were not exclusive and stayed within the seven tribes is a reducculous notion.Instead having extensions of family across the Luiseno lands is more probable. I would venture to guess this practice would even extend to other native nations as a means of trade and even as exchange for something like helping another Indian nation with goods and services for servival.

Pechangaredbrother

Anonymous said...

Robert is like a little kid, of you don't play his way then you don't play and he will tell everyone else lies to get them to hate you and stick with him. Grow up and act like a real leader, either disenroll all other members whose ancestors are unknown or re-enroll the ones who rightfully belong. Eventually the truth will be seen by all and all you are doing Robert is setting up your own family to be evicted and hated by the tribe.

Anonymous said...

What does it mean there has always been some "suspension" of Margarita.

Anonymous said...

And what is the Executive Council? There's a General Council and an Executive Committee at Pala. Is this planned or just another example of the general ignorance of the so-called Chairman of the Pala Luisenos?

Anonymous said...

Pala's membership is based on allotment rolls and is not a tribal membership roll. It is not based on a census roll, band roll or tribal roll. The 1895 and 1913 Allotment rolls were approved by the people in 1961. It does not allow Robert Smith to change it at will. It does not allow Robert Smith to use the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll for determining membership in Pala. He can scream and kick his feet like the little baby he is but there is nothing that gives him the right to change the base roll for Pala. For those of you that don't think the Brittens are worth defending then what you are really saying is that Robert Smith has complete control over your family as well. This is not simply about the Brittens. This is about Pala and Robert Smith is not Pala.

Anonymous said...

You are right 2:00 PM. Robert Smith just makes up the rules as he goes along. There is no executive council. The constitution doesn't say that the EC can enroll and disenroll anyone they want. It says they can develop an ordinance as long as it does not violate the provisions of the constitution. Robert Smith's ordinance violates the constitution, the articles of association and violates the conscience of any good citizen. Robert Smith should be disenrolled for crimes against the tribe. Oh yeah, crimes against the tribe aren't reason enough to disenroll someone.

Anonymous said...

You have totally misrepresented Robert Smith's policy here. It isn't if unknown presume non-Indian. It is if unknown presume white. That is his real policy.

Anonymous said...

Indian reservations are Sovereign Nations, you don't have any American constitutional rights on any Indian reservation. Robert Smith or ANY Tribal Chairman can violate your constitutional Rights be it amendments or whatever.

Anonymous said...

Robert Smith is an outright liar! This letter above is full of discrepancies starting with the first paragraph stating the "BIA used one testimony" and following up with the biggest joke of all "the Executive Council looked at individual history cards, a variety of documents and testimonies to come to our conclusion for the disenrollment."

Did you even read the 1989 letter, the one you indicate "came up in questions in 1989," at all? Actually it was a FINAL decision by the highest authority of the BIA, the Acting ASIA, Walter Mills, who informed the Tribal Chairperson, Patricia Nelson, that the case of Margarita Britten is closed and that the issue of Margarita Britten's blood degree has been decided.

In your letter, Robert, you state that the BIA used only one testimony (you infer that no other evidence was reviewed - there is extensive evidence to support her blood degree), which is an absolute lie.

The 1989 FINAL DECISION letter indicates that testimony from her niece, Carolina Nolasquez, family history cards from Margarita's children, 1928 applications of John Ortega, the 1913 Pala Allotment Roll, and several other handwritten and "other BIA records" were used.

Your evidence, if I recall, relied heavily on the personal testimony of Cecilio Chuparosa, a non-Cupeno, non-relative of Margarita, his wife, Josefa Siva, another non-relative of Margarita. Why would the probate records of Josefa ever include someone who is not Josefa's relation? If you look carefully at those probates, it doesn't even favor that Peligreno Saubel is the father of the Ortega children, since by Cecilio's testimony, they were all born AFTER Peligreno died. You have some big holes in your "hand picked" documents and it shows you know nothing about logic and how to draw correct conclusions. All you know is how to place pieces of disjointed documents together to draw the biggest joke of a conclusion ever known to modern man. Really, you scare me with your stupidity.

Just another set of lies, lies, lies, by the world's biggest pathological liar himself, Robert Harrison Smith. You are such a disgusting man, you evil bastard.

Anonymous said...

So that's why Eric is so loyal to Smith, he doesn't want the truth out about his bloodline to be revealed.

Anonymous said...

Wasn't is Shasta Gaughn that was hired to investigate the Britten family. Didn't she get her doctorate from Arizona State for destroying an Indian family? Why did she and Robert Smith stop with the Brittens. It doesn't matter. She now enjoys various titles and jobs with Pala as her reward for doing the bidding of Robert Smith. If Shasta had really done her work she would have noticed that blood degree was not added to the 1928 rolls until 1940 and that most of the Britten signatures on the 1928 apps were forged. But that was above her pay grade and mostly above her stupidity.

Anonymous said...

Yes, her dissertation came out right around the time when the first 8 were disenrolled, and after someone had read the whole thing they had complained about the part where she claimed she had Margarita's Birth Certificate, which is false because Margarita had no Birth Certificate, and Shasta claimed that their was a dispute over her blood and that she was 1/2 because her Birth Certificate read unknown under father. After complaints were made she retracted that part of her dissertation but did not do it publicly, only people paying attention understood what was going on. Robert could use that as verification of his claim, had that been left in it, but he could have an original copy and use that even though that one area was fixed. So if she can get away with writing lies in a dissertation and receive a Doctorate over lies, then how many other people out there have done the same thing and gotten away with it? It is the Departmental Dean that is responsible for these dissertations to be approved. Of course Shasta's Dean was made aware of the situation but she backed Shasta, who said she was sorry. What Shasta should have done was to let the people of Pala know exactly what happened and that she was fooled by Robert, but instead she buddied up to him and took his money, the money that does not belong to her, she gets to walk free on our homeland like it was hers, she probably receives per cap too, she got hired on in a position that should have been available to a tribal member, so she also stole someones job opportunity, she too will have her Karma because what she is doing is wrong. Bet her parents are proud of her, they raised a cheater, a liar, a butt kisser, a thief, and life destroyer. What did we do to you that caused your actions Shasta, we were a community, a family here at Pala, you came around to write a dissertation on our community and little by little it has been destroyed.

Anonymous said...

I have something to say. I want everyone to look at the census records for 1900-1906 and you will see Remijo Lugo was not on the Warner springs census or the Pala census until they were giving away free land in 1903. He was though on the Morongo / Cahuilla census. Even after all the Lugo's and I mean ALL were either in the Morongo or Cahuilla census for years. The only Lugo not on those census records was Remijo Lugo and his family. Why because he came to Pala and registered as Pala to get free land. My point is if they have been in Pala for over 100 years and people want to consider them part of the tribe that's fine. Then don't go attacking another family that even with the lower blood still has more cupeno/Pala blood than your family. They should have let it be and kept enrollment the same and nobody would have dug up the past and found out about their family. Re-enroll put things back the way they were and leave enrollment alone!! And before Palarez and others start talking about lies and so on go look at the documents I speak of and be educated on your argument because you will not have one after looking at them.

Anonymous said...

That's right the Margarita Brittain descendants have just as much right to Pala membership as anyone else. If you wanna count blood degree or tribal connection from families that have been in Pala from the beginning (Lugo's) Records were not kept perfectly back then and you can keep going back every generation to find someone with unknown parents eventually in the 1800's. Why just hold the standard to the Brittains. When every family could have the same thing happen to them if the EC wanted. Whether it be this one or a future one. Make dis enrollment outlawed so it cannot be used against anyone now or in the future.

Anonymous said...

OP--

Everyone appreciates you hosting this website. Now that PALAWATCH has gone fairly dark you are the only one out there. There is a lot of mud slinging and such toward the EC of Pala, not so much toward Pechanga. Why do you continue to post so much from Pala? It seems you have accepted the fact that you can only talk about the horrible/evil EC of PALA but not your own. Being a blog for everyone's wishes, thoughts and threats just doesn't get the interest of many people. Do I read this right?

It may be a sign that the PALA disenrolled are only using you to get what they hope will come their way. Finally get the per cap they think they deserve.

Look at the Palawatch blog, it is weak at best. I hope you have a deal to get some money from them. Otherwise it is just another weak deal. Just ask R&R, because he knows very thing, ust ask him.

Anonymous said...

Wow 6:13 PM I like your logic. You are more deserving than anyone else. I get it. You are so special. Are you another one of Robert smiths paid mouth pieces. Now that is a job I would like to have at $5,000 a letter. So why don't you give up your per cap since it isn't that important and no one really deserves it. The Lugos could be 100% Indian and that still would not make them Warner Ranch Evictees. Since Morongo council doesn't steal all their casino money Morongo pays more per cap than Pala anyway so they really should just go back to where they belong. OP is being used to get the word out on one of the most blatant examples of injustice in Indian Country. Pala mirrors every bad in Indian Country that there is. If pala goes down then so will a lot of the other Indian Country criminals. If it isn't going to happen then you wouldn't be here whining about pala crimes being exposed. Great job OP. Keep up the good work. And the walls of injustice will come tumbling down.

Anonymous said...

6:13 I imagine that you've never had your heritage stolen from you. You wouldn't even understand why people utilize this forum to vent, complain, discuss and bring awareness to a broken system. You probably aren't on the front lines, enduring the heartache, the struggle, the loss of your identity and would likely pass it all off as something so insignificant as losing a jacket. This is much deeper for us, earth shattering deeper. That you would pose such a callous question to OP is like a slap in our faces and shows that you are lacking in human decency and perhaps your agenda is to discredit the disenrollee situation. You should examine yourself and find a clue what it's even remotely like to suffer the way many of us have. OP is a life raft for many of us who have lost hope and I hope he knows that by bringing awareness to not just Pechanga, but to other tribes who are corrupt like Pala, the Chukchansi, San Pasqual, he is doing the right thing. There is so much more if you just scratch the surface to what this has done to us. I feel that your agenda is to bring doubt into people's minds and create disharmony, well guess what, our lives are in complete disharmony, we, the disenrollees, are all suffering, please don't add to the pain.

Anonymous said...

Sorry, I forgot one thing. I don't expect to get an answer back until well after the bar shuts down. Looking at most of the bad/crude blogs, they occur well after midnight or when the bar/casino closes. What a coincidence!!



Anonymous said...

I would like to publicly thank OP for your support and honest daily posts. You have kept hope alive for all disenrolled. For 6:13, you will never understand the struggle unless you have walked a mile in my moccasins. Please understand the struggle is real. In terms of the mud slinging you claim, please note the Pala EC would not have these issues if they would have acted in good faith with they first 8 disenrolled. The Brittan family descendants are only scapegoats for Roberts displaced anger. We are here to speak and reveal the truth. If the Pala EC and current tribal members can't handle the the bad publicity, fix it! Prove us wrong! The ball is in your court!

Anonymous said...

Special announcement for the Lugo family. The Brittens will be holding a workshop in early winter on how to survive disenrollment. There will be room for all 350 of you. Bring your own water and snacks. The workshop will include a complete lesson on the true nature of tribal sovereignty and how you really have to belong to a tribe before you exercise the right of sovereignty. If you seriously think you will not be needing this workshop you better check again. You are used up. Robert Smith is done with you. You are yesterdays trash and you will be getting dumped soon. We will keep you informed as to the final details of the workshop as we approach that date. Also, please bring what ever land deeds you may have to Pala because you won't be needing them anymore. They were illegally issued in the first place. Just fixing one of those wrongs and "suspensions" that we have had since memory. bye bye

Anonymous said...

I have something to say. I want everyone to look at the census records for 1900-1906 and you will see Remijo Lugo was not on the Warner springs census or the Pala census until they were giving away free land in 1903. He was though on the Morongo / Cahuilla census. Even after all the Lugo's and I mean ALL were either in the Morongo or Cahuilla census for years. The only Lugo not on those census records was Remijo Lugo and his family. Why because he came to Pala and registered as Pala to get free land. My point is if they have been in Pala for over 100 years and people want to consider them part of the tribe that's fine. Then don't go attacking another family that even with the lower blood still has more cupeno/Pala blood than your family. They should have let it be and kept enrollment the same and nobody would have dug up the past and found out about their family. Re-enroll put things back the way they were and leave enrollment alone!! And before Palarez and others start talking about lies and so on go look at the documents I speak of and be educated on your argument because you will not have one after looking at them.

Anonymous said...

The Lugos are toast. They had their chance to do the right thing. I like my toast with butter. Sure is going to taste good.

Anonymous said...

Well 6:46pm. Very poor guessing on your part and OP is running out of topics about his tribe so he is digging. I would love to be indian so I could get money for free but I am not. You can all blow smoke but this is all about money. If it is not money then go back to the EC and ask to be part of the tribe for heritage only but you will pass on the per cap forever. Very simple answer don't you agree, yes or no.

That is a simple answer, I agree or I don't agree. If you don't agree then the reason is pretty clear. Right?

I will leave that with you and the Britten family. Would you accept getting back in the tribe or not under those circumstances? I don't need a long answer

What say you?

Anonymous said...

I would like to thank OP for posting pala info. If the EC didn't have anything to hide they wouldn't care about the posts. Obviously they know the dis enrollments were wrong and illegal. And they hate all the evidence that proves it is being posted here for everyone to see. I said it once and I'll say it again, Robert is opening a big can of worms. He should just re enroll

Anonymous said...

I brought that question once to be reinstated without percap if that's what this was all about and RS wanted the money but then someone said to me why? You are entitled to the benefits just as much as any member. Why should you have to give up your percap to prove anything when everyone else doesn't have to?? You know he was right I was born into Pala just like any other member and have the same birth right to all the benefits my grandparents wanted for us in the 60's when they made the blood quantum 1/16th because they all wanted their grandchildren to be enrolled: Many of our families had our parents or grandparents in that committee. Also the EC should outlaw disenrollments because they are making a mistake for the future of their children and grandchildren, how do they know 20 years from now another family will not be in power and have a grudge against their families for what they did in the past to their families and use some weak excuse to disenroll them. Fix it now while you still can!! Re-enroll and make disenrollments illegal.

Anonymous said...

If RS and TN do not enroll then I hope they hurry up and get arrested or just DIE already!!! It would be better for the tribe. Then we could begin to repair Pala.

Anonymous said...

8:04 stop being silly!? Would you give up your right to vote in this country or send your children to free public schools or drive on our free roads and highways ? You are an American citizen( I hope ), would you give up your rights to stay in this country and keep your citizenship? We don't even ask that of illegal immigrants! Your argument is not valid, I believe it was only intended to argue with the disenrolled. Nice try, no takers here.

Anonymous said...

How funny, OP is now being approached by an agent of Robert Smith planting seeds of doubt, hoping he will turn his back on the disenrollment issues, specifically Pala disenrollment issues. That's just like Robert Smith, he doesn't want any bad press, just to be seen as a Great Leader. Guess what? The only thing Robert is great at is being a complete failure. Without his wads of cash to throw around, he's nothing. I suppose what we will see next is Roberts agents approaching OP with a paper bag full of cash. We have seen how Robert works to censure the truth when he doesn't like it. Remember the time when Robert lied to the tribe about the disenrollees not filing their appeal on time? He was further exposed when he waddled down to the Pala.Store and tore the proof of the filing down in his fit of anger for being exposed as a liar.

Here is the link, copy and paste to.see Smith doing what he does best, being a jerk:

TinyURL.com/dishonorablechairman

Anonymous said...

@8:04 Ya let's create second class citizens in pala. Some get per cap and some don't. Some can vote and some can't. Or Mabye just deprive one family. That sounds fair. But you are right about one thing. It is about money. The EC's greed. That's why they dis enrolled. What ever happend to the minors accounts when they were dis enrolled? GREED!

Anonymous said...

I like how palarez is posting as anonymous now

Anonymous said...

8:55- you are correct! Too funny!

Anonymous said...

I'm so tired of being civil with these people trying to do things the right or respectful way. F-that RS,TN and Maxcy show the tribe and a lot of its members especially the disenrolled and their enrolled families. I say every time you see one of them tell them FU and how you really feel. Let them know what low life pieces of sh-t they are. Let everyone know. I would love to just take over the tribal hall I been saying that for over a year now. We are tribal members it is our tribal hall we are the tribe not a group of rouge corrupt leaders!! I'm so tired and I'm so ready to end this Bulls--t!! If the EC won't end it then we need to! We have given them enough time thinks they would realize their mistake and forget their hate and make things right. Put things back to the way they were..pre-disenrollments.

Retired Federal Judge said...

Every thing that's posted here and on Pala watch says that Robert Smith and his EC are guilty as charged. After all these years that these Documents have been posted, some even have the U.S. Government Letter Head and some are sworn statements from others who new the People that are in question. And after careful reading of said Documents, and placing them in their right era's, I have to say that all the Evidence seems to legit and most convincing that the Pala EC Members were wrong to disenroll these people and should re-enroll before the US Government forces them to do so, because if the Government does take action against the Pala Band it will come with some serious sanctions that will for sure hurt the Tribe a lot more than if they were to put these people back on the Rolls.
I know that the 9th Circuit Court case will be herd very soon, and that decision could also hurt the Tribe if the Decision is in favor of the Disenrolled even though the case is about the BIA.
All and I mean ALL the Evidence points to the BIA and the EC at Pala, and it does not look good for them.
If left up to the Courts Decision it will affect all of Indian Country
and not just Pala, and that's not fair to the rest of the Tribes that are fighting for almost the same reason. Pala is putting every Tribe and Reservation at risk here by putting things of this nature in the hands of the Federal Court system, and that I can not understand.

Anonymous said...

Retired Federal Judge it is going to be worse than you can even imagine. If the BIA thought the Cobell case was hard to swallow at $6 billion dollars just wait until the facts of the pala case bleed over into about 50 other tribes across the United States. The price ticket on that one looks to be more in the neighborhood of $60 billion dollars. Of course the BIA will be able to hide behind the American taxpayer and stick them with this new and unnecessary cost burden. It is all due to greed combined with incompetence and a lack of courage at the upper levels of the BIA to just say no to corrupt tribal leaders. It is truly sad because Kevin Washburn absolutely knows better but he just can't muster the courage to say enough is enough. There is no running away from this problem of disenrollment and disenfranchising Indians. There is no sticking your head in the sand and hoping that the problem just disappears. It is here and it is not going away. The problem will be resolved but not in the way the Obama Administration hopes it will be resolved. I learned a long time ago that it was never just enough to be Indian, you have to be versed in Indian law to be Indian these days. That does not mean you must rely upon attorneys. It is the complete opposite. Attorneys be damned, they are the true cause of all he dysfunction in Indian Country and they will be sharing a jail cell with Robert Smith and an awful lot of BIA officials.

Anonymous said...

Is it hurtful to the tribes to have members and disenrolled at odds as they are right now where Uncles and Aunts and cousins cannot be family and have to choose money or family, knowing that the whole reason they started the Casinos in the first place was for Indians to have more opportunities then to remain in poverty? Is it hurtful to let a man like Robert continue his evil leadership taking no prisoners along his greedy journey? Many other tribes are facing much of the same corruption, and we have already seen what happens when it is left inter-tribal. There would be a lot more violence. Something has to be done, so if you can think of a better way then by all means let us all know. IN no way am I trying to be disrespectful but until you go through what we are going through and find out the corruption along the line then you cannot understand our frustration. Would you feel better if the EC members were taken care of instead. We have been patiently waiting for the FBI or the IRS to come in and do the forensic audit so that they can be legitimately arrested for crimes where sovereignty would not be messed with. Robert supposedly donates big money to their retirement fund, if that is the reason for their inaction it is pretty stupid. Just because a new Chairman is needed it does not mean that the new Chairman and Executive Committee would not also donate to their retirement fund. We just want justice and our due process and we have tried every angle there is, except violence and the Federal Court System. After all the government moved our ancestors to Pala, made a treaty with us, promised our people housing, which was not available when they arrived there. It was a cluster f..., but the government did not care because they got our land. Now Robert is taking our land the government has given us. Sorry but we do exist and we do belong and we will fight and we hope it helps all of the unjustly disenrolled Indians. It is not us doing anything to anybody, this is Robert Smith's fault, Howard Dickstein's Fault, Amy Dutschke's fault and every other Tribal leader who has chosen to disenroll for their own greed and power, and every government official who have aided in the process and turned a blind eye to what is happening to the Native Americans of the United States Reservations. AHO!

White Buffalo said...

September 30, 2015 at 11:47 PM

We do understand.

Anonymous said...

Merced Saubel Nolasquez and Margarits Saubel Britten were half sisters. They had the same father but different mothers. Here is a real challenge for you Robert Smith. Find one document, just one, that shows who the mother of Merced Saubel is. There isn't any. What are you waiting for. Why aren't you disenrolling the Lavatos you fat assed coward. You are the worst kind of punk. You are the worst kind of liar. Why did you disenroll the Brittens? Because they like to tell the people the truth about you. About your stupid racetrack. About how you took a big and I mean big kickback from Vulcan so they would not have to comply with the reclamation requirements of the sand pit. You let Vulcan off the hook for $22 million dollars. The $10,000 a month you receive from the race track and from what I understand Theresa Nieto takes the other half. You still sell sand and gravel on the side without reporting it to the tribe. That is why you had to get rid of JBT. Pala Tub was built as a kickback for awarding the fire department building to your favorite contractor. You get a $1,000 kickback for every home built on pala. The list goes on and on and the Brittens, even though disenrolled, will keep telling the story of your corruption. I want you to live a long time so your mind can eat away at you and god can have fun taking you away one piece at a time. Death is too good for you. Hell is too good for you. Suffer what suffering is and may it be for the rest of the days of you pitiful and sorry life.

Anonymous said...

It's unfortunate that bands as a whole will not step forward and correct the mistakes made by a few. The Truth will always be present and our Ancestors deserve more appreciation than not following custom and tradition and dishonoring them and their heirs with disenrollment. The real crazy truth is ALL current members could be disenrolled if the same actions were followed across the board. At Pechanga several of Pechanga band elders gave recorded certified depositions of who was recognized both by the band and Federally. Will Pechanga honor the Ancestors and accept the truth? Will Pechanga live with lies? Hopefully we ALL can accept the truth and honor our Ancestors ALL.

Anonymous said...

Pete Trujillo, would you run for council member,vice chairman or Secretary? I believe all 3 are up this year. Council member would be easier to get into because Robert and Teresa cannot allow an outsider or someone not on their side be vice chairman and especially not secretary. That person would have to much inside sight to the workings of their government. As council member you will have a vote but I'm sure they can keep you out of the day to day dealings they sneak around about. If you could get into vice chair or secretary that would be great for our tribe. I just see it harder as Rob will do everything in his power to stop that and cannot let that happen. He knows you cannot be bought off with a golf course,use of the jet and anything else on Pala's dime like the once good people who sit on the council.

Peter F. Trujillo Sr. said...

I am strongly considering a run for Council Member, and I should be ready to announce it soon, as I am waiting for some information from a source that has agreed to help me if I do run.
The information will be helpful for me and the entire Band. I just hope I receive it with ample time to share it with my people. I thank you all for the support that you have shown me so far.
Respectfully posted,

Peter F. Trujillo sr.

Anonymous said...

Dear Mr. Trujillo,
May God bless you and your convictions to deal with this travesty in the correct manner. I know that it will be an uphill battle but you will be the vehicle God uses to restore justice to the tribe. I may not be able to vote but I am a prayer warrior and will pray for your success, votes and leadership. You are no alone, I know the people of Pala are wonderful people that may have been led astray for a bit but they know the truth and will ultimately vote from their hearts. Good luck and once again thank you for considering a run for a seat on the Pala EC council.

Anonymous said...

Lugo family take note, Webster’s Dictionary defines you as,

patsy
/pat"see/, n., pl. patsies. Slang.
1. a person who is easily swindled, deceived, coerced, persuaded, etc.; sucker.
2. a person upon whom the blame for something falls; scapegoat; fall guy.

When RS is done with you and you’re of no further use to him, when push comes to shove and you are left holding the bag, then the entire road that you helped pave for disenrollment will be used on you. Wait, it gets even better, The Alto case can be easily applied to you because you never belonged here in the first place. Also RS won’t be there forever to protect you from the rest of the people of Pala who now know the ugly truth about you Morongos.
The Cupa people were content to share and share alike in accordance with Law. RS lied and duped you to side with him against us. Now whether or not the disenrollees ever succeed, your treachery is burned in the hearts of the remaining family members and how do you think they will vote when RS is gone.
I don’t know if you can ever turn this around, but I do know that the Cupa people are very forgiving and with the right action on your part, there could be forbearance given. I am also quite certain in you ignorance you are laughing and scoffing at this blog, but just remember that it was said for all to see for the future.
What say you, will you come to your senses and wake up. Will you continue to be the minions of an evil ruler or will you do some real soul-searching and help the Cupa people and yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Oh yes as a tribal member we will not forget which families hurt the tribe and started all this, when in fact they do not belong here in the first place. Rob and the current EC will not always be in power may it be 1 year, 5 yrs or 15 yrs from now. If I were the Lugo's I would fix things now while I have the power to and have family on the EC to make changes. Remember you were never qualified to be enrolled at Pala so even changing the constitution or ordinances will save you. Those laws do not apply to you, changed or not. Revert back to 2010 and everyone enrolled at that time is a member.Do the right thing while you still can. Do not holed unjust standards to certain families when you will not want the same done to your family. There are a lot of Brittain family left you only illegally dropped the blood but in your families case it will be the entire line. DO THE RIGHT THING. FIX THE TRIBE. People will remember your good deeds and hopefully they will over shadow the bad ones. The more time you take the worse things will get. This shouldn't be about the money anymore it's about putting things back together. If it is about the money for you then remember your entire family may have none,not even their homes and the land they live on. THINK IT CAN NEVER HAPPEN?? ASK THE DISENROLLEE 'S IF THEY THOUGHT IT COULD EVER HAPPEN!!

Anonymous said...

This letter is a joke "suspension" and they don't even call themselves by their real name. It's just like the letter the EC had to send out 3 times because it had so many mistakes and didn't make sense. They even over-nighted the letter to make sure it got to the disenrollee's right before the BIA letter came stating they recommend the EC keep us on the rolls because Margarita Brittain is 4/4ths FULLBLOOD and we do meet the requirements. The EC knew the BIA letter would give us hope so they rushed to send their poorly written no sense letter TO REMIND US we were disenrolled and it didn't matter what the BIA said. Talk about immature, and these are supposed to be our leaders. It's like when someone (BIA)lends you a helping hand when your on the ground and someone (EC) pushes you back down. CHILDISH! Also over a years time the EC had sent out 3 letter. 1 was the disenrollments letter, 2nd was a day before the BIA made their recommendation we stay enrolled and Reinforced MB to be FULLBLOOD ACCORDING TO THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT AND EVERY OTHER TRIBE THAT COUNTS BRITTAIN BLOOD and a 3rd was around a year later as another reminder we were disenrolled. I believe that letter was sent out because something in our favor came out whether it be with the court or tribe not sure.

Anonymous said...

My question is how can Robert be the only one counting Margarita Brittain blood as 1/2 when the government,BIA and every other tribe count her blood as 4/4 full???? Other tribes dont use Roberts weak excuse for deciding MB blood degree because it's weak and won't holed up if looked at. The BIA already did a 5 year research into her blood in the 80's and came to the conclusion she was FULLBLOOD. It's called looking at every document and comparing and weeding out the wrong ones. Not just picking and choosing the ones that suite your needs. You need to look at all to get the picture. Not if you Robert and have an agenda. CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER ME THIS PLEASE?!!!!! Just don't put your real names if Robert Smith finds out he will take away your voting rights or worse yet for everyone else your percap checks for a year! He has done it before. And is still doing it actually. SO CAN SOMEBODY ANSWER MY QUESTION??!!!!!

Anonymous said...

Wouldn't it be nice to be in a tribe where you don't have to worry about losing your voting rights,ability to attend meetings and run for office or lose your income because you pissed off the person in charge. Even be kicked out of your home and not able to visit your family? Just think how nice that would be to be part of a tribe without having to fear these everyday rights everyone else has. I know it's hard for the people of Pala to imagine, being so long under this oppression. Some day we shall. Hitler,Saddam,Stalin they weren't around forever even though the people under their rule thought their lives would never change. The future can be bright if you believe it can and are willing to do something about it. Voting maybe? I think it's gonna take physical action. Something big to get the outside worlds attention. The meeting we all had was a good thought but we should have followed it through with taking control of the Admin building. In the end the BIA just backed the crooks in power and we got nowhere. We must FORCE change. FORCE the BIA to listen, have all eyes on them so they cannot just turn a blind eye and back the corrupt EC and business as usual goes on. WE MUST FIGHT BACK.

Anonymous said...

To the Lugo family, here is your chance, you did not want us looking into your blood, which we had no problem with, but now that your family members who are in the EC have done to us what should never have been done, and they decided to disregard our proof, we have found that your family does not belong at all. We are not here to get rid of you, so here is your chance to stand up and tell your EC family members to re-enroll before it is too late. There will come a time that the Lugo family will be getting the ax, or it could just be the EC members, it is your choice. You have been warned.

Anonymous said...

@10:05 there's lots of tribal members who aren't lugos. Lugos should be hiding their faces all the time. Why are Pala members sharing anything with them and letting them run the tribe.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Ask me what? If Original Pechanga blog is being used to spread information about the wrongdoing and abuses at Pala? And San Pasqual, Chukchansi, Pechanga, and wherever Indians are being harmed by rogue leaders.

There is no deal; just a brave warrior fighting for the rights of disenfranchised Indians.

We have said it many times. The Brittens have the blood. The Pala EC violated tribal law. They are wrong. We are right. You're attempt at manufacturing a conspiracy is extremely feeble.

Anonymous said...

Re-instate! Put the tribe back together and let's leave the enrollment issue alone. Things were quieter and more peaceful before the disenrollments started. Let's stop talking sh-- put Pala back together and end all this.

Anonymous said...

Eric is not even Fernando Ortega's son, he is a Garcia. Same goes for his sister Angelia, she is also a Garcia who dad was Salvester Garcia's brother Jerome Garcia, Salvester Garcia was in fact the father of Eric and Eric has no ties to Pala and belongs in Rincon where his father was a member. And I think that the Band should subject these two to a DNA test to prove where they really belong. There Mother Vivian Garcia was the sister of Claude Devers, and I think that she was from Mesa Grande. Again these two have no Cupa blood and are squatters on Pala because they claim to be the Children of Fernando Ortega who could not have children.
Fernando was married to a woman in Los Angles at some point and latter divorced because his wife wanted Children and he could not make that possible. So he could not be the father of Eric and Angelia.

H. Caufield said...

All pigs piss in their own pens. And worse.

Anonymous said...

And here we go. Now the Brittens think all of these families don't belong, so just kick them to the curb. Serves them right for screwing you over the past three years. That seems to be what I read. If the Brittens want support from the other families currently in Pala then why not offer up a legal and signed document that you won't retaliate (disenroll)if you get back in. You offer them a get out of jail free card.

Then you get back in the tribe and have more supporters because you can't legally do anything to them. Win-win-lose. You get in, they stay in and now you can get rid of the EC.

How hard is this. You spent 3 years doing this?

Anonymous said...

Kind of a good idea. Might get the brittains more supporters.

Anonymous said...

This fight is for who belongs and who doesn't. We have documents that state that we belong in the Band and the EC considers it all trash.
They the EC and RS have had ample time to correct this issue but have chosen to turn a blind eye to the truth.
So the harder they push us the harder we will fight back until they put ALL the family back on the Bands Rolls.
And if they EC wants the Federal Court system to make that call, then they must face the outcome of the Court Ruling.
We did not start this problem and we will not play second fiddle to the EC.
All we want is to get this over with and live peacefully for the rest of our days.
This fight has taken a toll on a lot of Family and Friends and it needs to be stopped now before the U.S. Government steps in and makes it even worse, because then the whole Tribe will have to pay for something that they didn't do, it was done by the EC and not the Band itself. How would you feel if it was you that got kicked to the curb like yesterdays trash?
The Pala Band needs to all come together and solve this issue and be done with it. I can't understand why they don't move to settle this now instead of dragging it out until someone gets hurt or worse because they are scared of RS and the EC. This is not the way our people acted before we got a Casino. And by leaving this problem to solved by the Federal Court system is only asking for more trouble.

Anonymous said...

The Brittains do not want to disenroll anyone, they just want people to notice how they were singled out by Robert and his Kronies for disenrollment, even though they totally 100% belong. We are pointing out other families that have the same problem on the 1928 roll that we do, that is all. Why is it ok to do this to one family when the others are more questionable than ours? It has nothing to do with blood, it has to do with Robert's greed.

Anonymous said...

Well 6:30pm your language doesn't give any family in the tribe comfort. Why should they now offer the olive branch and back the Brittens without any assurance your family won't turn on them.

With this approach they are better off to let the Federal court rule and see what the outcome is. You offered them nothing, the courts offer them nothing. They are better off to see what the US government does for them. The courts and the appeals will likely take years anyway. That is if the court even rules on it.

Anonymous said...

I am a disenrolled and all I want is to be reinstated and treated fairly. All the families and members enrolled since before all this should stay enrolled. Reinstating 1 family then going after another family will not fix anything. Just put things back the way they were and should have stayed!

Anonymous said...

All Bands need to bring these issues forward as a whole. Pechanga did bring this issue forward and voted to stop ALL issues on disenrollment. The Band as a whole voted and passed the petition and then the council went against the band and allowed a committee to go ahead and go against custom and tradition and disenroll the Hunter family ALL together. The band as a whole can take the band and reverse the councils decision to dishonor custom and tradition. Or we can ignore the truth and hope no one ever does the same to me.

Anonymous said...

I just want to be re enrolled. I'd sign something assuring other families that I wouldn't try to dis enroll them. I think dis enrollment should be banned all together

Anonymous said...

@ 5:25PM
Why do you think that the Britten Family should try to make a deal. Shouldn't it be the EC that should try and make a deal being that they are the ones that did this to begin with.
Don't you think that they (EC) should consider a deal before the 9th Circuit Court makes their ruling.
Because if the ruling is in favor of the defendants the whole Band will have to do as the court orders.
And another problem I see with waiting for the Federal Court is, this will also apply to other Reservations that are doing the same as Pala is doing, so this Ruling will affect all of the Indian Country and not just Pala.
In my opinion Pala is putting every Tribe in Indian Country at risk by leaving this decision up to the Federal Court System and that is just not a fair thing for the other Tribes. Because then the other Tribes will be forced to make decisions based on the Pala Court Ruling.

Anonymous said...

@ 7:32 PM the 9th Circuit Court should be setting the date any day know. So it won't take years. I would say maybe another month or so.
So if Pala wants to try and make some kind of deal the better hurry and try before the 9th Circuit hears the case and the Government is forced to make the decision for them.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

The other families who feel threatened by the Brittens need to see things as they really are. The threat is not the Brittens; it is the Pala EC. How can they possibly miss that point? The matter of trust goes both ways. We never tried to hurt the other families, and are not trying to do so now.

The comments you are reading regarding the 1928 CIJR rolls, and the people enrolled who do not meet the eligibility requirements are not meant to create more disenrollments. They are being used to show that the Pala EC was selective and discriminatory when the disenrolled one family based on an illegitimate reduction in Margarita Brittain's blood degree.

The only valid base rolls for the PBMI are the 1913 and 1895 Pala Allotment Rolls. All lineal descent and blood degree determinations must come from the base rolls. This is what the Pala Constitution says and anything else is a lie.

If there are people who don't meet the standard that is not the fault of the Brittens. Ultimately the Enrollment Decisions at PBMI come from the Enrollment Committee, and not the Brittens. The General Council does not have the power of disenrollment, and it would take a Constitutional Amendment to change the law. That requires a 2/3 vote and there are not enough Brittens to carry a vote like that.

Stop blaming the Brittens, accusing us of anything other than fighting for what is right, or trying to put a condition on support for our enrollment. We meet the eligibility standard and should be enrolled according to tribal law. Anything else is just pissing in the wind and might blow back on you.

The one good thing all Pala people can rely on is that the Brittens are reasonable and want to follow the laws. Can you say that about the Pala EC?

Anonymous said...

The EC needs to re enroll the britians. There is going to be cracks in the sovereignty blanket that all reservations use if there case wins. If the EC re enrolls, all lawsuits will be dropped and our sovereignty security blanket will be intact. There's more at stake here than Roberts personal issues with king. Don't be arrogant. Re enroll the britians.

Anonymous said...

We all know too well that fat ass German will never re enroll. He's a fat disgusting piece of shit. He should do the world a favor and nibble on a barrel of a gun. And good riddance is what I would say.

Anonymous said...

The evidence is all here. Document after document. The britians belong and any judge will be able to see that. Re enroll the britians

Anonymous said...

If the BIA was smart and wanted to avoid a lawsuit they would act on the Pala disenrollments before the 9th Circuit Court makes a ruling on the issue. Because if the Court sides with the Disenrolled the BIA will be forced by the Federal Court System to enforce the 89 Final Decision made by the BIA.
And the Pala Band will have no choice but to do as the Court and the BIA tells them or be held accountable for not obeying a Federal Court order. And one thing for sure, the Band does not want to be in violation of a Federal court order or they face the closing of the Casino, and maybe loose Federal Status as Federal Reservation. Including all Grant monies he Band receives.

Anonymous said...

The Lugos had their chance to make things right but they are so arrogant they can't see beyond the warts on their noses. How shocking it must be to find out more than 100 years later that you are not who you think you are. More than that you come from a long line of deceivers, crooks and robbers. You thought you were exposing the Brittens and increasing your per capita. How does that feel. Robert promised you a raise on your per capita but it went down instead after disenrolling the Brittens. Here's your sign "STUPID" Why you even thought your were cupeno is the ultimate stupid. Here's your sign "Cahuilla" What a surprise to find out that you have no entitlement to the reservation lands at pala. Here's your sign "Evicted"

Anonymous said...

Yea but their still sitting pretty drawing percap and controlling the EC.

Anonymous said...

They are not sitting pretty, it is ill-gotten money and power and "ill-gotten money brings ill-gotten fate".

Anonymous said...

I don't think the brittains have anything against the Lugos. I think the negative, anonymous comments about Lugos are coming from pala Rez or other EC supporters. The last thing the EC wants is for Lugos and brittains to team up.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Lugos and Brittains team up? Probably not going to happen. I wouldn't put it past Robert Smith though to lie and say the Brittains will try to get people disenrolled if they are reinstated. He is always lying about something or other.

This is what I know. The Brittains believe in following the laws. I have heard that over and over again from everyone in the family. The court is going to have to decide this, because the decision can't be left in Robert Smith's hands. He will never do the right thing. He is far too deep along his path of crime and corruption and is painted into a corner now.

If he reinstates the Brittains he will have to admit he was wrong, fix the blood degree reduction, and restore the lost benefits to the disenrollees. Where is that money going to come from? Knowing him he most likely would reduce per capita to all the members and blame the disenrollees for being greedy. That is not going to make for a happy reservation and probably will cause as many problems as it would fix.

Anonymous said...

I normally agree with R&R. However I think he has a bit of a negative out look. I believe reinstatement will be positive for the entire tribe. It would stop the fighting and backstabbing among families. As far as per cap goes, the casino generates more than enough money far ALL members. I heard someone on here suggest a lower per cap that gradually increases until it is level with everyone else's. That way it would not be such a financial shock. There are many different ways to make it work if there is cooperation from Robert and the brittains

Anonymous said...

Thank you 3:11pm.

Finally some words of reason. While I understand this situation is beyond reason or even comprehension, the EC and the Brittains must both make concessions.

I did suggest a full reinstatement to gain back the lost heritage and voting rights. With the voting rights returned a peaceful transition from the current EC can be made. I did suggest that the Brittains ask for no percap. Just get in the tribe. All I heard was that I was asking them(Brittains)to be second class members. Not at all, just members again to right a wrong.

The comments about other families not belonging in Pala only gives them reason to further support the EC and make this a more horrific situation for all.

Unfortunately once something like this reaches the courts, all the attorneys advise to wait it out and see what happens. Everyone loses except the attorneys, who hope to settle and collect more than you can imagine.

I understand R&R's negativity. Nothing has gone his way through this. He is hoping the courts will make this all go away and force the tribe to reinstate the family and repay all the money lost back to the disenrollment.

Being a professional mediator for over 30 years, I just believe this is far from over. I have worked through negotiations that I thought were done, passed them through the courts for a simple signoff only to have them stonewalled for years in appeals.

I can understand R&R frustrations.

Anonymous said...

I did not say the britians should not get per cap at all. They should get all the same benefits as all tribal members. They have the blood and should be enrolled. I was just saying a lower per cap at first just to make the transition more subtle financially. Then gradually increase. If Robert allows this case to go to court it is possible they could get back pay for all those years they were dis enrolled. Which could bankrupt the casino. I think it would be wise if Robert reinstated them now.

Anonymous said...

Members of the Brittain family have consistently asked to meet with the EC to talk things over and Robert or Teresa will not meet with them. They even tried through the lawyers and all Robert could say was "Right is Right and Wrong is wrong, no daddy, no daddy" and then would claim sovereignty every time proof of the blood decrease was asked for. The Brittains are not the ones continuing the problem. They have committed no violence, no crimes, they have been very civil about the whole thing considering how evil the EC has been. The threats, the taunts, the hate, the kicking a man when he is down over and over. How can anyone even talk like the EC deserves to be treated with any kind of civility, yet here we are, the Brittains, we are going through the courts and trying to keep it legal and civil.

Anonymous said...

The Brittains should get the same as everyone else. And back pay for all the years. Take the jet away from your phony chairman and all of his perks and it should pay everyone. Do an audit to see where your money is going besides your ECs wallets. You have to be stupid to believe the casino isn't making a fortune. The true numbers are being kept from the GC. Wake up,you bunch of blind sheep.

Anonymous said...

I hope you brittains win. I've seen the documents and agree, you should be enrolled. It's to bad Robert does not just re enroll you. He is letting his hatred for king cloud his judgement.

Anonymous said...

Restitution No! Re-instatment yes! I'm a disenrollee and I don't want to hurt Pala and restitution will financially hurt them unless it was paid in small amounts over time. All I want is what is rightfully mine. To be enrolled like I always have been. Start over from this point and work on forgetting this disenrollments disaster. Problem is I don't think it will happen this year with elections and Xmas bonus coming up. Not sure if the EC can afford it in votes or money. If that's not a problem then send out the letters make it official November 1st. Can Robert really be that stubborn and hateful to drag the tribe down until the last moment they have to enroll??

Anonymous said...

I am Luiseno Pechanga and I believe Re-instate is better than Restitution financially. The band as a whole could Re-instate ALL members who should be and financially they have to answer to the creator why they where more important than ALL members before disenrollment was enacted. Our Ancestors deserve to be honored, ALL Ancestors. The Truth is crystal clear.

Anonymous said...

I don't know why Robert Smith is worried about being wrong because everyone knows that they the EC was wrong in the Britten issue. By having them The EC admit it and do the right thing will bring them the EC more respect for doing so.
However, if the Federal Court sides with the disenrolled, the EC will for sure have some sanctions to deal with.
And if the Courts says to pay all the back pay to the Defendants the EC will for sure be faced with a hard ship as to where to get the funds to pay the wronged members.
The EC really needs to sit down and talk this issue over and decide what to do before the Court date is set.
However they will probably listen to their so called lawyer Sara D. and end up in worse shape than they are in now.
If I were the in the Britten Family I would sit and draw up a solution and present it to the EC and see what happens.
This would have to be done through the Attorney that has the case in the 9th Circuit, because it would be her call to make the arrangements.
So maybe someone from the Family should contact her and see where it goes.
It can't hurt, and maybe it will work. Won't know until someone contacts the Attorney.

Anonymous said...

Why is everyone so willing to give up what is owed to them to save Roberts ass? He can send 100 million to New Jersey for online gambling, yet there is no money to pay per cap that would be owed in arrears? That casino is makng millions, you all just let him spend as he pleases. It's time he is held accountable. Let the court decide and put it in writing because this will never be over otherwise. What's to stop him from letting you in and kicking you out again later?

Anonymous said...

Another example of how Robert smith controls local media. Two Pala residents shot multiple times and the story doesn't even make the police blotter. I would bet that Bonnie Dumanis has a gag order on the sheriffs department anytime there is a crime committed at Pala. Thank you San Diego for making Robert smiths life of crime easier.

Anonymous said...

Doesn't she live in Riverside county.

Anonymous said...

It's not giving in to Robert and making him pay it would be the tribe that is paying for his personal issues just like they always have. The disenrollee's aren't gonna make the tribe pay for what Robert has done. Although they may have no choice at some point. It's true he spends as he pleases and the wrongfully disenrolled are owed but It's not about the money it's about getting back in Pala and having a fresh start for everyone. If Robert did re-enroll I would be very surprised, forgiving? Maybe depending on his reasons. Time can heal wounds and that's what it's gonna take ONCE THINGS ARE FIXED.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Don't confuse negativity with realism. Robert Smith has repeatedly refused to negotiate, discuss, or compromise. Also the Brittens should not compromise or make any concessions at all regarding their membership status, rights, or benefits because they did nothing to cause the disenrollments. It was purely a unilateral decision by the Pala EC.

It sounds like some people think that in order to fix the problem that Robert Smith caused the Brittens should sign some kind of declaration that they would not disenroll any people from PBMI if they were reinstated. Then they they should forego restitution for the land, assets, and revenue that were stolen from them by an illegal, unilateral action. They should also agree to some sort of graduated per capita payment in order to make sure Robert Smith can keep stealing the same amount of money and won't have to reduce anyone's per capita while adjusting to reinstatement of legitimate members.

Doesn't that mean that Robert Smith and the Pala EC will face no repercussions for illegally disenrolling legitimate members? Just reinstating the disenrollees will probably not fix the division among the members of PBMI. People will not automatically pull together if the disenrollees are reinstated. In fact I think there will continue to be an attitude of derision toward the disenrollees if the Pala EC faces no consequences for their actions.

Hey, its okay. I want things to be better for everyone. There are options and it is fine to discuss them. There is an ideal and it is possible to compromise in order to achieve a happy medium. The problem is that there is a minimum requirement for following the Constitution and a mandate to operate in the best interests of all members. There can be no compromise on these minimums. That is why there was a dispute over the financial reporting, the failed investments, and the usurpation of the power of the General Council. Reinstatement will not fix any of those problems, and without some motivation to work towards fixing these problems I do not see any kind of acceptable compromise agreement.

Anonymous said...

This all needs to be brought to the entire band for a discussion as to what is the best way to resolve this issue, even though the entire band was not given a chance to vote on the disenrollments from the start. Which is the way it was supposed to be according to all the U.S. Supreme rulings on these types of issues.
We all no the Truth that the Britten do belong in the Band and by not allowing them that right is making all of us no better than Smith, Nieto and Perez whom are responsible for this problem to began with.
Also I fear that if this is not settled soon that one or more of them will get hurt, because the pressures are starting to boil over and this is not good for anyone.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Well said 9:11 PM. It would be great if the entire Band had a meeting to discuss the matter of reinstatement, or disenrollment, or anything besides coming up with new ways to hurt people. Hasn't that basically been the entire agenda of the Pala EC over the last couple of years? Robert Smith coming up with new ideas on how to extend his power and influence and keep everyone else down?

Here is the impression that I am getting from this current discussion. The people of Pala want to make sure that the Brittains don't cause any trouble if they are reinstated, and they should agree to lesser per capita, and perhaps restitution payments over a period of years as long as it doesn't create a financial hardship for the Band. I understand the motivation behind these suggestions. It's okay for the Brittains to endure four years of harm, injury, and misery, but no Pala members should have to deal with any problems.

How about this? The Brittains want all the PBMI members to sign an agreement that they will begin proceedings to remove the Pala EC members from office and propose an amendment to the Pala Constitution that will make disenrollment illegal. The Brittains also want all PBMI members to agree to equal per capita for all members, even those that have been reinstated, based on the amount of revenue that is available for distribution. Lastly the Brittains propose that any restitution payments be approved by the Band, and that an agreed upon ammount be placed into an escrow account on a monthly basis, which would be disbursed in annual payments until such time as full restitution has been made.

One additional request for the minors who had their trust funds stolen by the Pala EC. The Pala EC must make provisions to restore the balances of these trust funds from their own money and not make the Band liable to repay funds that the Band never shared in.

You see, there are options, and the idea that the Brittains must make more sacrifices in order to be reinstated doesn't sit well with me personally. I don't claim to speak for all the Brittains though. There would have to be some sort of agreement between all the families before any ideas like these would be proposed. Then there would have to be some kind of negotiations and a willingness on the part of the Pala EC to reconsider the disenrollment decision.

Nice talking about these things in a civil manner. I expect Palarez to come on here soon enough and say something obscene.

Anonymous said...

@1:45 you are asking a vote by people who are happy the Brittians are out. Seriously what do you expect them to say? EC needs to reenroll and then vote on terms of restitution.

Anonymous said...

Another Tribal Elder passed away this morning in Pala.
Long time Tribal member Joann Lugo Eagleton, Mother of Theresa Nieto
pass away from a long suffering illness and now is in the hand of our Lord and Savior in Heaven.
Keep her family in prayer and especially her beloved Husband George.
May she rest in peace. Amen.

Anonymous said...

@5:51 I hope God can have mercy on her soul.

Anonymous said...

@2:59, i do not believe pala members are happy the britians are dis enrolled. Everyone knows they belong. Dis enrollment is a shameful act that should be banned. I am not dis enrolled and my family does not want the britians or anyone else to be dis enrolled. We all have a place here in pala.

Anonymous said...

There is no need to vote on the britian issue. The general council already voted on it in the 80's. You can't just keep changing what the general council has already voted on because you don't agree with the outcome.

Anonymous said...

That would be like Robert having us vote on the land assignment issue again because he didn't agree with the outcome. That would not be fair to the tribe because it was already voted on. It's the same with the brittains. The general council has already voted on it. You can't just keep voting until you get the outcome you want.

Anonymous said...

The brittains should be enrolled if they have the 1/16 blood requirement. It should not be a vote. It's not a popularity contest.

Anonymous said...

@7:47 PM
If you truly believe this then help and join the fight and bring your family and friends to our side, the side that demands JUSTICE for all members. Thank you for your support.

Anonymous said...

I wonder how long the karma will last for Nieto. I don't think that she realizes what karma really is. She better wake up before its to late to save any of her loved one.

Anonymous said...

I do not believe that the Britten Family should sign any thing to get back in the Band. They are as EQUAL as every other Member in the Band, so why should they have to sign any thing. It's not a part of the enrollment ordinance. They are Equal to every other Member and are not second class to anyone.
All the Federal Government Documents state that they belong in the Band and back in the early 80's the Band excepted the Governments Decision as to the blood degree of MB and vote on it.
So there you have it, all legal, black and white done deal.
It's the EC are the ones that need to sign some thing stating that they were wrong in the disenrollment issue and that they will not do what they did to the Britten, to anyone one else.
By having the Britten family sign is like it was there fault and by signing any thing it's like they are saying that we are sorry when it was not them.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

I think people are just throwing out ideas. Having the disenrollees sign something to the effect that they won't try to get anyone disenrolled is just an idea. I'm pretty sure the person who proposed it was just trying to find a way to reassure other members that reinstatement won't affect them negatively.

We all know that the Pala EC made the decision. There was never any vote by the General Council or even any discussion. So much has happened since then that it is going to take some hard ccussing work to fix things. This is just the reality of the situation and not any kind of negativity on my part.