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Friday, March 25, 2011

Indian Tribes Commission Study on Economics of Tribal Casinos: WILL THEY TELL THE WHOLE TRUTH?

Facing an uncertain political climate, California's Indian tribes are commissioning a high-profile study designed to show the economic benefits of tribal casinos.  OP:  And of course, it will be objective, right?  The tribes want the whole truth, right?   Pechanga has hired experts before and then disregarded the evidence when it didn't go their way.

The study, to be released later this year, will be led by one of California's most prominent economists: Chris Thornberg of Beacon Economics consulting in Los Angeles.

"The main thing is letting California legislators and the public know that Indian gaming is working," said Susan Jensen, spokeswoman for the California Nations Indian Gaming Association. The association is co-sponsoring the study with the Tribal Alliance of Sovereign Indian Nations and the California Association of Tribal Governments.

OP:  This must also tell the story of the hundreds of Native Americans thrown back into poverty by tribes who exterminated them from the membership rolls.  The losses are nearly half a BILLION DOLLARS.

Thornberg said he'll prepare an independent look at Indian gambling without any thought to political implications. "From my perspective, this is a matter of doing an economic survey," he said. "We're not weighing in on the pros or cons."

Indian casinos in California have become a $7.3 billion-a-year business, and a considerable political force, in the past decade. But the tribes with casinos still are grappling with questions about their status.



Read more: http://www.fresnobee.com/2011/03/25/2323668/california-indian-tribes-commission.html#ixzz1HcvNAQkI

29 comments:

smokeybear said...

HAS ANYONE EVER CHECKED TO SEE IF MARK MACARRO IS EVEN REALLY PECHANGA? HE'S NOTHING BUT A CORRUPT AND GREEDY BUTT SNIPE AND HAS HELPED OTHER NON PECHANGA INDIANS, LIKE BUTCH MURPHY FOR ONE, TO BE BROUGHT INTO THE TRIBE. CAN'T THE MEMBERSHIP SEE THROUGH HIM? THEY CAN'T REALLY BE THAT SCARED OF HIM. WE HUNTERS ARE'NT. HIS TIME IS OVER DUE. YOU'LL SEE.

Anonymous said...

We would love to see the results of Mark Macarro's Lineage, to see the real truth about were he came from. It may lead us in a new direction. About Butch Murphy, your correct every one can see right through him (You can see the White Blood run through his Veins). The people are to busy spending there percap. Remember they are Casino Indians, All they worry is about the money and nothing else.

smokeybear said...

I'M GETTING MADDER AND MADDER AT THE MEMBERSHIP OF OUR TRIBE. IN THE OLD DAYS OUR TRIBE WASN'T KNOWN FOR BEING WORTHLESS SHEEP THAT WOULD FOLLOW A SORRY JUST ANYBODY. THEY MAY HAVE BEEN POOR, BUT A PROUD PEOPLE AND HARD WORKING TO BETTER THEMSELVES. NOW THAT THE CASINO IS HERE THEY FOLLOW THIS A-- MACARRO LIKE SHEEP TO THE SLAUGHTER.TIME HAS COME,NOW.

smokeybear said...

ARE SOME OF MY KIN,HUNTERS, ABLE TO FILL ME IN ON WHY THE PECHANGA ENROLLMENT COMMITTE VOTED IN THAT THERE WOULD BE NO DISENROLLMENTS AND THEN CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW THERE OWN RULINGS? ISN'T THERE A PAPER TRAIL? AND THERE OWN ANTROPOLGIST THAT PROVED WE WE LEGALLY PECHANGA AND CHOSE NOT TO FOLLOW HIS PROOF? THERE HAS TO BE SOME LEVERAGE THAT WE CAN THAT WE CAN BRING TO BARE.... NO ROCK UNTURNED. I'M 64 YEARS OLD AND I'M TIRED OF ALL THIS SITTING BY THE SIDELINES WAITING FOR BIA, AND THE REST OF THE WHITE MANS ORGANIZATIONS TO TURN A DEAF EAR TO THE PLIGHT OF THE INDIAN THAT HAS BEEN SCREWED SINCE THE WHITE MAN CAME. AND NOW THE WERE BEING SCREWED AGAIN BECAUSE GREAD BY OUR OWN, THE MACARRO'S AND HIS SHEEP. I NEED SOME HELP HERE AND GIVE ME MORE INSIGHT INTO WHY WE ARE STILL GETTING SCREWED WHEN EVERYTHING I KNOW SAYS WE ARE RIGHT. PLEASE....

smokeybear said...

QUESTION: AND I REALLY DON'T KNOW HOW HARD THIS WOULD BE, BUT COULDN'T WE GET ALL OUR PROOF TOGETHER, WITH ALL OF THE HUNTER FAMILY, ALL OF THE OTHER DISENROLLED, ALL OF THE PEOPLE IN THE MORETORIUM, AND ALL THE OTHERS THAT SHOULD BE IN THE MORETORIUM,ALONG WITH THE PRESS AND DECEND ON THE ENROLLMENT COMITTEE AND/OR GENERAL MEMBERSHIP WHILE A MEETING IS GOING ON AND PRESSURE THEM INTO REVISITING ALL THE SO CALLED REASONS THAT WE WERE DISENROLLED, AND WHY IT WAS VOTED IN THAT DISENROLLMENT WAS NOT TO BE. WHY THERE OWN ANTROPOLIGEST PROVED THAT WE ARE PECHANGA. WE WANT ANSWERS AND NOW...

smokeybear said...

OK, AM I JUST RAMBLEING? I SAY NO. ALL I'M TRYING TO DO IS FIGURE A WAY TO FIGHT THESE SOB'S. THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING WE CAN DO INSTEAD OF SITTING BY THE SIDE LINES AND WATCHING THE DAYS GO BY AND NOTHING HAPPENS. MAYBE BY ME TRYING TO PUSH THE ISSUE MAYBE SOMEONE IN OUR CLAN, OR OUTSIDE IT, A LIGHT BULB WILL GO ON IN THERE HEAD AND SAY I HAVE AN IDEA THAT WILL START TO WORK AND THEN THE MOMENTUM WILL JUST START MOVING AHEAD LIKE A FIRE OUT OF CONTROL. COME CLAN, HELP ME OUT HERE.

'aamokat said...

Smokeybear, the problem is we have documentation but the biased enrollment committee ignored every piece of evidence that supported us in favor of what amounted to heresay.

I happen to know that Smokeybear is a Hunter who was shafted by the moratorium so yes, other moratorium people, it happened to our family also.

Keep up your input as it is kicking us who have been in the fight in the butt just a little bit and now we need to get moving again.

Anonymous said...

Get the white mans government involved by turning in known tax cheats to the IRS and Board of Equalization...how many tribal members get the tax break from the State and dont even actually live on the reservation?...does your chief take the break?..he doesn't live on the Res....all the people that use a phoney address to keep from paying State income tax and tax on purchases need to be turned in...hit the liars in the pocketbook....like they did you!!

smokeybear said...

'aamokat said...
Under the equal protection clause of the Temecula Band of Luiseno Mission Indians, sometimes referred as the Pechanga Band, under Article V:

"IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE BAND TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION, BYLAWS, AND ORDINANCES OF THE TEMECULA BAND OF LUISENO MISSION INDIANS; AND ALSO, TO UPHOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EACH MEMBER WITHOUT MALICE OR PREJUDICE."

So tribal hack, how again were we afforded due process when the sisters of Raymond Basquez Sr, Irhene Scearce and Ruth Masiel, were allowed to rule on our disenrollment case.

And this is not the only violation of the Constitution and Bylaws and/or tribal laws and procedures that were not followed in our case.

So gentle readers, will our critic answer me this time or will he just state the stupid simple due process statement again? this from 2010, maybe you can get an answer this time

'aamokat said...

By the way, for those who don't know, Raymone Basquez Sr submitted a statement against our, the Hunters tribal membership, during our disenrollment case and a bunch of his close relatives--nieces, nepehews, etc also signed statements against us.

Also, not only was a key witness against us, Mr. Basquez the brother of two of the enrollment committee members, one of those close relavtives of his was a son and nephew of two of the committee members and a nephew of Basquez was on the tribal council that ruled on our appeal of the committee's decision to disenroll us.

Very clear examples of violations of the equal protection clause of the Band's constitution and bylaws under Article V.

So in effect the same people who accused us were the same people who sat in judgement of us.

So where is the due process that Pechanga says we got?

'aamokat said...

Also, our appeal to the tribal council, who allowed people with a clear conflict of interest to rule on our disenrollment case, was to people (the council) who allowed the violations of the equal protection clause in the Band's constitution and bylaws in the first place.

In addition, the whole tribe had voted the previous year before we were disenrolled in 2006, the people voted in 2005, to end disenrollment as a part of tribal law and we were disenrolled anyway even though the procedures to move against us didn't even exist anymore as a part of tribal law.

We didn't find out we were not included in the new law outlawing disenrollment until just two days before we got our papers telling us we were kicked out of the tribe.

So it was obviously timed so we couldn't respond to the tribal council's bogus ruling.

How fair does any of this sound?

We were not allowed any legal representation at any of the disenrollment proceedings and at the appeal to the tribal council we actually were not allowed to take notes.

As absurd as this sounds, we got letters from the tribal council that said that note taking instruments of any kind will not be allowed in the hearing room!

We also were denied copies of any of the transcripts of any of the disenrollment proceedings which made it impossible to prove that the enrollment committee skipped key parts of the disenrollment procedures even if those procedures had even still been a part of tribal law.

Mark Macarro says we were afforded fairness when we were disenrolled but nothing could be further from the case.

smokeybear said...

WHO THE HELL IS THIS "RAYMONE BASQUEZ" ANYWAY, AND HOW DOES HIS TESTIMONY TO THE ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE, AGAINST US HUNTERS', HAVE ANY VALIDITY? WHY WOULD HE AND HIS FAMILY DO SUCH A THING? DID MACARRO AND HIS HENCHMEN PAY HIM OFF, OR MAYBE THREATENED HIM AND HIS FAMILY. TRIBAL MEMBER AGAINST ANOTHER TRIBAL MEMBER FOR NO GOOD REASON DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. THERE HAS TO BE MORE TO IT THEN THAT. I FOR ONE WOULD LIKE TO KNOW, ANYONE ELSE INTERESTED?

smokeybear said...

COME TO THINK OF IT, YOU KNOW HOW THEY'RE PROTESTING IN "VERY LARGE" GROUPS OVER IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND STAY UNTIL THEY GET WHAT THEY WANT, WHY CAN'T WE DO SOMETHING LIKE THAT WITH A LARGE ENOUGH RALLY IT MIGHT EVEN CHANGE SOMETHINGS FOR US. IT WORKS FOR COUNTRYS',WHY NOT US?

smokeybear said...

DOES ANYBODY KNOW IF THE MACARRO'S PAY ANY STATE TAX? OR HOW ABOUT FEDERAL TAX? YOU KNOW AL CAPONE WENT TO JAIL FOR TAX EVASION. OR, AS YOU SAY, THEY'RE USING A DUMMY ADDRESS FROM THE RESERVATION. THE GOVERNMENT DOES INVESTIGATE TAX EVADERS WITH A VENGENCE.

smokeybear said...

THIS URL NEEDS TO BE REVISITED. I TRYED TO CUT AND PASTE, BUT ALAS, TOO MANY WORDS FOR THIS FORMAT.

http://www.originalpechanga.com/2008/09/what-makes-pechanga-indian-pechanga.html

smokeybear said...

ANONYMOUS, YOU MADE SOME STATEMENTS WAY BACK IN SEPTEMBER OF 2008, THE 7TH AND 10TH TO BE EXACT THAT WE WHO ARE DENIED BEING IN THE MORETORIUM NEVER SPEAK OUT FOR OUR SELVES, OR FOR ANY OF THE DISENROLLED. WHAT DO YOU THINK I HAVE BEEN DOING. THIS IS EVERYBODYS FIGHT, WE HUNTERS' AND ALL THE OTHER REAL PECHANGA INDIANS THAT HAVE BEEN CHEATED OUT OF OUR HERITAGE BY MACARRO AND HIS HENCHMEN. WHAT THE HELL WAS ALL OF THAT? AREN'T YOU WITH US IN ARE FIGHT TO RIGHT THE WRONGS THAT THEY HAVE PERPETRATED ON ALL OF US WHO ARE TRUELY "PECHANGA"? I'VE BEEN READING SOME OF THE OLD POSTS ON OUR BLOG, AND I CAME ACROSS YOUR PIECE AND SOME OF THE COMMENTS THAT WE POSTED. WHAT I'VE READ ON WHAT YOU HAVE BEEN POSTING THIS YEAR SOUNDS LIKE YOUR WITH US, ARE YOU?

smokeybear said...

WELL, HERE IT IS APRIL 2011, AND WE TALK A GOOD GAME WITH LITTLE RESULTS. WE HUNTERS' NEED TO GET ALITTLE MORE MOTIVATED AND STOP STANDING BY THE SIDELINES. WE NEED TO GET BACK INTO THE FIGHT WITH A VENGENCE. BOMBARD THE BIA, THE GOVENMENT ENTITIES-SENATORS,AND CONGRESSMEN, THE "MEDIA", AND REVISIT THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS AND ALL WE CAN BRING TO BARE FROM IT. EVEN IF IT SEEMS TO HAVE NO TEETH, THERE HAS TO BE SOMETHING THERE THAT COULD HELP. WE COULD HAVE LARGE RALLIES AT PECHANGA, AMONG OTHER THINGS, WITH THE HELP OF PEOPLE THAT HAVE BEEN DISENROLLED, MORETORIUM PEOPLE, AND PEOPLE THAT SHOULD BE ON THE MORETORIUM. WHAT SAY YOU?

smokeybear said...

PS: I AM A HUNTER, AND PROUD OF IT. LETS FIGHT AND GET "DOWN AND DIRTY" IF NEED BE. AND WE NEED TO"BE"

Anonymous said...

What do you want to do SMOKEY? Protest in front of the casino?

smokeybear said...

SURE WHY NOT? THINK WE MIGHT GET ARRESTED, OR WORSE: RIOT GEAR. I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN GET AT ONE TIME AND THE NEWS MEDIA, NOT JUST ONE BUT SEVERAL NEWS STATIONS. ESPECIALLY IF THEY THINK THAT MACARRO AND HIS HENCHMEN ARE GOING TO BEHAVE BADLY, AND THEY WILL. I MAY BE OLD NOW, BUT THE 2 YEARS I SPENT IN THE JUNGLES OF VIETNAM NEVER LEAVES YOU. ALL WE NEED TO DO IS GET TOGETHER AND PLAN THIS REALLY WELL AND JUST HAVE A GOOD OLD FASHION "RALLY". WHAT DO YOU GUYS THINK? CAN WE DO IT? YOU GOT MY VOTE. HAS ANYBODY EVER SEEN THE MOVIE "WE WERE SOLDIERS"? THAT WAS VIETNAM.

smokeybear said...

FEEL FREE TO COMMENT, I'M ON EVERY DAY FROM NOW ON. I'M NOT GOING AWAY ANYTIME SOON. THIS IS TO IMPORTANT TO US ALL WHO HAVE BEEN SCREWED BY "THE MACARRO CARTEL".

Anonymous said...

Its about time you think you can get some hunters to do this ? I think some others will do this the tribe is scared when people protest in front of the casino.

Anonymous said...

I THINK IT DEPENDS ON HOW MANY PEOPLE WE CAN GET AT ONE TIME AND THE NEWS MEDIA, NOT JUST ONE BUT SEVERAL NEWS STATIONS

Hey lets get Joe Liska to do a video cartoon on the up coming protest and tweet it to obama and Fox and NBC news! I see his BIA video looks pretty good.

smokeybear said...

ALL WE NEED TO DO IS GET TOGETHER AND PLAN A BIG "RALLY." YOU TELL ME THE TIME AND THE PLACE AND WE CAN KICK IT AROUND. WE REALLY HAVE GOT TO GET MORE MOTIVATED BECAUSE IT HAS BEEN 5 OR SO YEARS AND "NOTHING" THEY IGNORE US BECAUSE THEY SAY "CASE CLOSED". AND WE'RE SUPPOSED TO CRAWL BACK IN OUR HOLE AND TAKE IT LYING DOWN. I SAY NO. WE CAN DO THIS. START THE MOMENTIUM AND PUSH WITH EVERYTHING IN OUR SOUL TO RIGHT THE WRONG WE ALL KNOW THE "MACARRO CARTEL" HAS PERPETRATED AGAINST US HUNTERS' AND THE OTHERS THAT HAVE ALSO BEEN SCREWED. BELIEVE ME WHEN I SAY THIS IS NOT OVER. LETS START FIGHTING BACK FOR A CHANGE. CONSTANT MEDIA ATTENTION CAN BE A BIG PLUS, AND WE NEED TO START WORKING THAT RIGHT AWAY. I KNOW THE NEWSPAPERS WON'T HELP MUCH, IF AT ALL BECAUSE PECHANGA PAYS LARGE AMOUNTS FOR ADS, BUT TV STATIONS WOULD BE INTERESTED IF WE KEEP THE PRESSURE ON PECHANGA AND THE "MACARRO CARTEL." WHAT SAY YOU HUNTERS'?

Anonymous said...

Your right ,motivation is needed let me think of a date that would be good.

Anonymous said...

some hunters rather sing love songs at the new coffee shop.

Anonymous said...

some hunters and other people don't come to protest's smokeybear not sure if they were slipped a 100dollar bill.

'aamokat said...

Hey, singing songs at the coffee shop and picketing the casino don't have anything to do with each other. Let's get something going. My cousin Smokeybear is getting ethusiastic about getting somethng going so let's plan something, I'm in how about others here, my Hunter relatives and others.

smokeybear said...

SOUNDS GOOD. LET US DO JUST THAT. WE HAVE TO PLAN THIS REALLY WELL, AND WORK AT GETTING A VERY LARGE "RALLY" GOING. IT'S NOT GOING TO BE EASY BUT I THINK WE CAN PULL IT OFF. FIRST WE NEED TO GET WITH ALL THE HUNTER' AND GET THE BALL ROLLING. THEY NEED NOT BE AFRAID. THERE IS'NT ANYTHING THE "MACARRO CARTEL" CAN DO TO THEM IF WE HAVE A BIG ENOUGH PROTEST "RALLY" IN FRONT OF THE CASINO IN FULL VIEW OF THE MULTIPLE TV STATIONS CAMERA CREWS AND REPORTERS. WHEN WE MAKE THIS HAPPEN WE WILL NEED TO KEEP THE PRESSURE ON SO AS TO KEEP THE NEWS MEDIA INTERESTED. IT HAS WORKED VERY WELL IN THE MIDDLE EAST AND EVERY DAY THE NEWS MEDIA REVISITS WHAT'S GOING ON THERE TO SEE HOW CLOSE THE PROTESTERS ARE GETTING THERE WAY. AND IT'S WORKING. SO NOW IS THE TIME TO GET OUR "BUTTS" IN GEAR AND BAND TOGETHER LIKE THE TRUE "PECHANGA INDIANS" WE ARE AND "GO ON THE WAR PATH" LIKE SOME OF OUR ANCESTERS DID OVER A CENTURY AGO. ANCESTERS, MEANING ALL INDIANS. NOTHING LEATHAL, BUT WITH THIS NEW "INFORMATION HIGHWAY" WE CAN BE "ON THE WARPATH",WE NOW CAN MAKE A DIFFERENCE. COME ON GUYS, WE CAN DO THIS