KCBS Channel 2 reporter CRISTY FAJARDO reports on disenrollment for greed and power tonight. Pay special attention as to how WEAK the responses are from the two tribal chairmen, Mark Macarro and Robert Smith! They can lie and obfuscate with ease. Here is the video:
..who is talking out of both sides of their mouth??..the BIA..smith--the BIA is saving your ass right now.. thank you for calling them out! You (smith)have documentation?--so do the disenrolled, and many others! The 1928 probates that you used to disenroll also show factual sworn testimony about who Margaritas father is--Pelegrino Ortega--that YOU ABSOLUTELY HAVE/HAD IN YOUR POSSESSION and intentionally left out of your tribal distribution and refuse to recognize! Weren't you warned by your partner Eben at the BIA that the 1928 probates do not determine tribal membership? Here you are saying the
BIA is talking out of both sides of their mouth, and saying this isn't about money, greed, and most obviously, HATRED! Actually, the BIA has only decided one thing and has stood by it for many years--well before gaming came into the picture--that in 1989 after thorough investigation, the BIA rendered a final decision that Margarita's blood is 4/4--and you (smith) were part of the process!! Since then you have somehow passed ordinances alongside your crooked lawyer that allow you to not accept BIA decisions! Who is talking out of both sides of his mouth??
AMEN Anonymous 4:22 am. Calling it like it is. Keep calling Smith and his cronies out. His house of cards is starting to fall.
Thank you to Ms. Fajardo for getting this story out in the media. Its really sad that a historian hired by the tribe for Pechanga has found signifigant evidence that they are who they say they are but Macarro and his crew won't accept the findings. Just like Robert Smith and the EC at Pala refuse to accept a final decision by the BIA from 1989 after extensive research that says MB blood is 4/4 that the tribe themselves voted on that they agreed and this issue would be laid to rest and again in 2012 the BIA made a recommendation (because Pala took the power from the BIA to say determination now they can only say recomendation) that they re-enroll thier members. For all you Congressional viewers THIS is why it is so important for you to stand with us to amend the ICRA as we have asked you to do. Again we are not asking you to change soveriegnty we are asking you to sign the sign on letter we sent to you in order to amend it so the INDIVIDUAL members have some recourse when greedy corrupt leaders strip their members of their rightful heritage. I encourage you to sign the letter!!!!!!!!! As many of us thought he would Smith hid behind soverienty and did not show his "proof". For those from the BIA who are reading you know that this is wrong you have said it yourselves. He says you are talking out both sides of your mouth he should have been thanking you for standing behind him but he didn't because he only thinks about himself. This shows what kind of man he is.
above comment was from justiceforpaladisenrolled not anonymous
I AM PECHANGA. You can take away a check, but you cannot however take the blood from my body.... This story reflects the truth, glad to see it put out there, TRUTH. Markarro was full of it on the letter head of MY great ancestors..... He will have his day. I could care less about wishing bad on you ppl doing illegal things to REAL INDIANS WITH RED RIBBON CERTIFIED DOCUMENTATION. My only wish is for my grandma to see the day where she is yet again acknowledged as a SILVER FEATHER, PECHANGA, as she has always been, and will always be. Time for change, truth always comes to light...... ALWAYS.
smith--You have not only granted yourself, theresa, dion, and the other EC sovereigns power to not allow BIA decisions only recommendations and then throw them in the trash, but also the power to disregard federal decisions a decade before gaming. Why all these enrollment ordinances after gaming? Nothing to do with money, HATRED, and greed? COMPLETE AND BLATANT LIE!! and YOU KNOW IT!! What you have done is absurd then you hide behind your sovereign curtain like you are the wizard of OZ.
"Right is right, and wrong is wrong," says Robert Smith. We know you have been working on disenrollment for five years. We know the BIA helped you do it. You hired a lawyer to draft the Enrollment Ordinance. That lawyer is the neice of the Regional Director of the BIA. SoCal BIA Superintendent Robert Eben gave you the documents you say prove that the disenrollees lied about their lineage. The Regional Director is using the Pala Enrollment Ordinance as the basis for her decision, and has been dancing like a puppet for you all along.
In your reply to the disenrolled's request for a meeting to resolve the issue you said: "Your purported respect for Pala's Laws also rings hollow in light of your threats to resort to the courts of another sovereign to resolve this internal membership dispute." We are only doing what you forced us to do. You won't meet with us, you won't allow the General Council to vote on disenrollment, there is no Tribal Court to hear our defense, you have not presented us with the evidence, you tried and convicted us without notice, then you sentenced us in absentia. After the fact you said appeal to the BIA, because you don't have to abide by their recommendation.
It is you that consistently relies on lawyers from the outside sovereignty. One of them even prepared that reply. You need the courts of the outside sovereignty to shield you from justice. The outside sovereignty has been feeding your quest for ever more power and wealth, and now you even believe that it is right to throw members of your own family out in the cold, steal their heritage, destroy the truth, and hide the fact that you are of the same blood as them.
So tell us right now, what did we do wrong? What Tribal law did we break? You say we lied on our enrollment applications and misrepresented our blood degree. We only submitted the documentation provided by the BIA. If anyone lied it was them, but then you need them to give you more documents so you can disenroll more people, and further bloat your bank account.
You must fail. We must stop you. Such evil cannot be allowed to thrive.
good job!!!!! This dis-enrollment issue is in the light now. The odds are against us BUT we can still win this war if we don't back off.
Very disappointing to see our people treat each other this way! This is exactly what the government wanted when they where trying to kill off the indians and get rid of them. Now the indian people are doing it to themselves and what happens when the blood runs out...there will no longer be a tribe..for all those who know in there hearts whats right and wrong you have cursed you and your familys. Your ancestors would be ashamed knowing that they where exterminated by the government and now by the tribal government!This has tooken us steps back from what our people wanted. I pray that our tribe never does this to there people and that the future council does what is morally and ethically right.Creator forgive them because they are blinded by the flashing lights and gold. I pray they awaken to what they have done and place there souls in your hands. aho
Good job. I'll watch the vid on my lunch break.
Very good job on the issue we have been fighting since 2004, so we know the heartache and disappointment. Some have been fighting longer just to be recognized, you are not forgotten. John was right; an amendment that addresses individual claims made by citizen against tribal governments must be included to close the loophole that the tribes hide behind. This issue affects all Indian Nations and as such all Indians have a say. Keep on writing to anyone who will accept your letters. The more people know that our history and our future are being lost to a handful of pretenders who claim Indian-ness for money, are being lost the better our chances are of coming together as a united people. We must be more than just people from Pechanga, Pala, or any individual tribe. We must embrace the life of an Indian regardless from where we live. The concepts and ways are still with our elders. Ask them what it means to be Indian before it’s too late, and they are gone. It is our culture that is dying, and our right to live it has already been taken from us.
Well Macarro learned his lesson the first time, not to do another interview. Smith sounded bad, trashing the BIA, playing the sovereign card. This isn't about sovereignty, this is right is right. These tribal leaders are wrong as wrong.
"Integrity of the tribal government". Really Mark? Out casting two huge voting blocks, about 25% of the general membership is what form of Integrity? Ignoring elders written and recorded oral depositions, some taken and translated from our native tongue is what form of integrity? Sending out rangers to Indians who live on the reservation threatening banishment if they use the reservation in any form other than going from the entrance to there home on their allotted land held in trust since the inception of the reservation 1882, what form of integrity? Corrupt liars hiding behind sovereignty to belittle tribal members voices, what form of integrity is this? Allowing a council member who is adopted in the indian way according to custom and tradition, while sending out a letter to the membership saying that they do not have the right to decide membership issues? Where is the integrity Mark? If lying is integrity, that would explain why stealing $50 million dollars is looked at as acceptable. You need to get the Indian way figured out buddy. You have no integrity at all.
At Pechanga, add to this an endless and Illegal moratorium enacted to keep true descendants of the Tribe OUT OF THE TRIBE.
Pechanga added banishments to keep up the stress level for individuals living on the reservation, telling them where they can walk or drive inside the Rez. your children can no longer attend their schools, or in another case you are not allowd to visit your fathers grave inside the reservation.
It is Evil to tear people apart from their families just for the love of power and money.
Being a true native is to be a loving and caring person nowadays seems like being native has to do with a check from the casino.... Sad.
First of all you must know who you truly are: According to the bible these are the people from the 12 tribes of israel (secretly kept from us for years) so called NEGRO TRIBE OF JUDAH so called CUBANS TRIBE OF MANNASE so called PUERTO RICANS TRIBE OF EPHRIAM so called NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS TRIBE OF GAD so called SEMINOLE INDIANS TRIBE OF REUBEN so called DOMINICANS TRIBE OF SIMEON so called BRAZILIANS/ARGENTINA TRIBE OF ASHER so called MEXICANS TRIBE OF ISSACHAR so called HAITIANS TRIBE OF LEVI so called HAWIANS/SAMOANS TRIBE OF NAPTHALA so called COLUMBIANS TRIBE OF ZEBULUN so called JAMACIANS TRIBE OF BENJAMIN THESE MAKE UP THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE KJV. WE ARE GODS CHOSEN PEOPLE AND THIS IS WHAT THE WHITE MAN DOESNT WANT YOU TO KNOW. READ YOUR BIBLE EXODOS I AND DEUTORONOMY/GENESIS WE ARE THE TRUE HEBREW ISRAELITES IN SCRIPTURE THE BIBLE IS NOT ABOUT RELIGION ITS A HISTORY BOOK ABOUT THE 12 TRIBES.FREE YOURSELVES SPIRITUALY THIS IS TRUTH GOD BLESS IM FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH DECENDANT FROM ABRAHAM ISSAC AND JACOB JUST AS THE OTHER 11 TRIBES ALL PRAISES TO THE MOST HIGH .
Does this explain on that "spiritual activity" I keep having happen? If anyone can explain that I'd appreciate it.
What no mention of the moratorium people on the news last night? What happened john, i thought you worked side by side with them? maybe it's all about you! Oh I forgot this a dis-enrollment web site!
Your talking about 930 BC the (Kingdom of Israel).
You compare apples to oranges.
Jacob had 12 sons ,each of these sons who each formed a tribe in Israel.
John talked about congressional intervention. That really is an important piece. An enforceable factor would help us all. The moritorium and the people caught by it have equal rights and deserve protection.
Comments should also be left on CBS 2 video link....under comments.
wow ,anotherview is trashing the hunters and gomez on the channel 2 site,...
The decendants of abraham issac and jacob are still scattered across the four corners today.joel3:3 FOR BEHOLD IN THOSE DAYS AND IN THAT TIME WHEN I SHALL BRING AGAIN THE CAPTIVITY OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM I WILL ALSO GATHER ALL NATIONS AND WILL BRING THEM DOWN INTO THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT AND WILL PLEAD WITH THEM THERE FOR MY PEOPLE AND FOR MY HERITAGE ISRAEL WHOM THEY HAVE SCATTERED AMONG THE NATIONS AND PARTED MY LAND....THIS AINT HAPPENED YET ..NEWTESTAMENT KJV
What spiritual activity ru talkin about you know youve been decieved as far as biblical scripture right? The bible has been used for religion when religion aint got nothing to do with it .Its about our heritage our lineage all or should I say most history books are false read your bible .The roman catholic church has pulled the wool over so many peoples eyes wake up do u actually think that theyre gonna give so called negros latinos and north american indians any props for being the chosen of the most high ? No theyre not and thats why they hate us so much in ezekial 35 the most high says mount seir has a perpetual hatred for the children of israel
Im talikn bout kingdom of israel 2012 revelation 3:9 BEHOLD I WILL MAKE THEM OF THE SYNAGOGUE OF SATAN WHICH SAY THEY ARE JEWS AND ARE NOT BUT DO LIE BEHOLD I WILL MAKE THEM TO COME AND WORSHIP BEFORE THY FEET AND TO KNOW THAT I HAVE LOVED THEE.
ISAIAH34:16 SEEK YE OUT OF THE BOOK OF THE LORD AND READ NO ONE OF THESE SHALL FAIL NORE SHALL WANT HER MATE FOR MY MOUTH IT HATH COMMANDED AND HIS SPIRIT IT HATH GATHERED THEM ...NOW U WANT SOME MORE?
YOU DONT NEED NO DNA TESTING YOUR FROM THE TRIBE OF GAD ACCORDING TO THE HOLY BIBLE KJV YOU ARE HEBREW ISRAELITES. PALEFACE IS THE DEVIL
HELLO WHITE BUFFALO IF YOU WOULD READ IN EXODUS 1 IN THE HOLY BIBLE KJV YOULL SEE YOU NOT AMERICAN INDIAN YOU ARE HEBREW ISRAELITE AMERICAN INDIAN IS THE NAME THE PALE FACE GAVE YOU DURING SLAVERY YOU ORIGNALLY COME FROM THE TRIBE OF GAD IN SCRIPTURE SO HONESYLY YOU HAVE MORE OF A RIGHT TO FIGHT THE PEOPLE THAT STOLE YOU AND YOUR LAND AND BROUGHT ABOUT DEVESTATION AMONGST OUR PEOPLE THEY DONT WANT THE SO CALLED NEGROS /LATINOS AND THE NORTHAMERICAN INDIANS TO KNOW THIS. WE ARE ALL APART OF THE 12TRIBES OF ISRAEL NEGRO/JUDAH NORTH AMERICAN INDIANS/GAD SEMINOLE INDIANS/REUBEN MEXICANS/ISSACHAR HAITIANS/LEVI JAMACIANS/BENJAMIN HAWIANS&SAMOANS/NAPTHALA COLUMBIANS/ZEBULAN BRAZIL&ARGENTINA/ASHER DOMINICANS/SIMEON CUBANS/MANNASE PUERTO RICANS/EPHRIAM .
WE ARE THE CHOSEN OF THE MOST HIGH IN THE BIBLE WE ARE ALL STILL IN CAPTIVITY WE ARE ALL OPPRESSED SOME PEOPLE SAY THATS OLD BUT THE BIBLE SAYS IN THE NEW TESTAMENT FOR BEHOLD IN THOSE DAYS AND AT THAT TIME WHEN I BRING BACK THE CAPTIVES OF JUDAH AND JERUSALEM I WILL ALSO GATHER ALL NATIONS AND BRING THEM DOWN TO THE VALLEY OF JEHOSHAPHAT AND I WILL ENTER INTO JUDGEMENT WITH THEM THERE ON ACCOUNT OF MY PEOPLE MY HERITAGE ISRAEL WHOM THEY SCATTERED AMONG THE NATIONS THEY HAVE ALSO DIVIDED UP MY LAND THEY HAVECAST LOTS FOR MY PEOPLE...NOW WHITE BUFFALO AS YOU KNOW WE ARE ALL STILL SCATTERED THROUGHOUT THE WORLD ..YOU SEE THIS HASNT COME TO PASS YET .THIS SCRIPTURE IS JOEL3;3. READ THAT..ALSO DEUTORONOMY AND LEARN ABOUT THE BLESSINGS AND CURSES THE MOST HIGH LAID UPON THE 12 TRIBES FOR NOT FOLLOWING HIS LAWS STATUTES AND COMMANDMENTS WE ALL AS HIS CHOSEN MUST GET BACK TO THE TRUTH. THE BIBLE IS NOT RELIGON ITS A HISTORY BOOK ABOUT US THE 12 TRIBES OF ISRAEL PALE FACE (the white man)HAS DECIEVED US FOR MANY MANY YEARS THEY WORK FOR SATAN .AND ONE MORE THING THAT PICTURE OF CHRIST THEY HAVE HANGING ALL AROUND IS CESARE BORGIA POPE ALEXANDER THE SIXTH SON WHO WAS A PEDOPHILE AND HOMOSEXUAL CHRIST IS OF COLOR HE IS NOT A PALE FACE SO AS A HEBREW ISRAELITE FROM THE TRIBE OF JUDAH I HAD TO INFORM YOU IN TRUTH. READ SCRIPTURE AND LEARN WHO YOU TRULY ARE ACCORDING TO THE BIBLE KJV
Give all the indians all their land back that you stole they shouldnt have to pay for sqat how about that
Most families that have been dis-enrolled have more documentation on their linage than most of the people in their tribe, period : Kumeyaay Terrorism 2012. Native Descendants Unite. Join Us. email Kumeyaay86@yahoo.com.- Send your story.
SKY people bible thumper,
Kachina, or katsina, is a Southwestern Pueblo Indian word meaning spirit father or life. Kachinas represent the spirit of the gods who personify nature: clouds, sky, storms, trees, etc. They function as protective supernatural beings who can help humans if they are asked properly. They also represent the spirits of good people who die and become clouds, bringing much-needed rain. They serve as entertainers and discipliners of children. Kachinas look after the interests of humans, serve as intermediaries to the gods, and can bestow good fortune, such as fertility, power, and long life.
Look up, bible thumper
Please don't lose focus on the matter at hand. It matters not to Robert Smith, the lawyers, the politicians, the bureaucrats, or the courts, what happened to the scattered children of Israel. We know who we are and that is Native Americans with a history that began long before the time of the diaspora. We are Pala and Pechanga and must fight to regain our rightful heritage.
What is with all the bible passages taken out of context?
Unless this is Mitt Romney talking, as Mormons believe that Native Americans are descended from Israel, no one else believes this as there is no DNA connection to Israel or anywhere else in the Middle East whatsoever.
As the last poster said, "We are Pala and Pechanga and must fight to regain our rightful heritage," so please stick to the topic at hand and quit muddling up things with stuff that isn't revelant.
A good tree cannot bring forth evil fruit neither a corrupt tree bring forth good fruit. Nothings out context those are the words of god .he is in controll of everything even waking you up this morning .maybe if you incorporated prayer in your daily life and be serious about it he will hear your cry
2Peter 1:20/21 knowing this first that no prophecy of scripture is of any private interpretation for prophecy never came by the will of man but holy men of God spoke as they were moved by the holy spirit
Hey OP I need to contact Cristy Fajardo so I can see if she'll do a piece on the moratorium people,since we wern't mentioned on the last interview.
Why don't you open a moratorium blog?
Just an idea? And have moratorium protests only?
Nancy has the contact information, and Cristy has Mikes
Also, I have given the information to the new reporter from the Press Enterprise. I sent all their editors a letter asking WHY they didn't report on this information if CBS thought it was important enough to broadcast THREE times and give it 17 minutes of airtime.
For those who want a MOratorium blog only... ARE YOU SERIOUS????
We can blog all we want on this Blog, no one is stopping you.
Why have a moratorium blog this blog serves it's purpose our time is near
you must understand, d n a is product of pale face not the most high. In scripture you are Gad one of the 12 tribes of Israel let no one tell you otherwise if they do they are trying to take your salvation .Some say what does this have to do with this situation (EVERYTHING). Once you learn about the blessings and curses (let me clearify that) come into the truth youll understand where im coming from. We are still here today (the 12 tribes of Israel scattered in all four corners of the earth). The decendants of ABRAHAM ISSAC AND JACOB. YAH says in Hosea 4:6 my people are desroyed for lack of knowledge I will also reject thee that thou shalt be no priest to me seeing thou hast forgotten the law of YAH I will also forget thy children. Now these are not my words I didnt write the book . YAH clearly tells us to follow all his laws statutes and commandments which the majority of the world doesnt do because theyre influenced by satan. This is why the lake of fire grows larger everyday to accomodate those who refuse to follow YAH's law. In Daniel 7:9 it says man will change the laws and the times. YAH also speaks throughout scripture no graven images /not to mess with spirits or enchanters astrology not to celebrate christmas He hates our feast days so on and so forth those are all man made things taking us away from his word. So until you come back to the most highs laws statutes and commandments that yoke will constantly be around your necks. Isaiah 34:16 Seek ye out of the book of the Most High and read: none of these shall fail none shall want her mate: for my mouth hath commanded, and his spirit hath gathered them. Genesis 1:1 In the begining YAH made the heavens and the earth.... The holy spirit led me to this blog to inform his children the 12 tribes to come back to HIS LAWS STATUTES AND COMMANDMENTS Amos 3:2 something that has been kept from us a many centuries ..Remember in the times of old they wouldnt even allow us to read ...so just think about it really I hope someone out there picks up what im puttin down PEACE.
What the hell is paleface ?
Wheres that in the bible asshole?
Dont you eva call me or anyone else out of their name as long as you have breath in you. From now on I will refer to paleface as it is in scripture (esau edomite & mount seir). NOW THIS IS FOR YOU FOUL MOUTH Psalms 109:17/20 AS HE LOVED CURSING SO LET IT COME UNTO HIM AS HE DELIGHTED NOT IN BLESSING SO LET IT BE FAR FROM HIM. AS HE CLOTHED HIMSELF WITH CURSING LIKE AS WITH HIS GARMENT SO LET IT COME INTO HIS BOWELS LIKE WATER AND LIKE OIL INTO HIS BONES. LET IT BE UNTO HIM AS THE GARMENT WHICH COVERETH HIM AND FOR A GIRDLE WHEREWITH HE IS GIRDED CONTINUALLY. LET THIS BE THE REWARD OF MINE ADVERSARIES FROM YAH AND OF THEM THAT SPEAK EVIL AGAINST MY SOUL.
Peace, love and blessings upon you. Please, respect the issues at hand and be open to be respected the same.
When you speak of the bible, please remember that your message will be lost on many because of your delivery. Either you are a speaker of truth or you are a deterrent. On a blog it is hard to tell, as not everyone has the gift of discernment.
Im speaking in truth hoping to educate people must realize nothing is done by their on will but the will of YAH . Not to detour anyone for the matters at hand but to enlighten everyone spiritually ....keep fighting for the matter at hand ....that blogger was out of line
Please let them speak ! Im learning
I can pick up the bible and learn of his word. (thanks)
Enough with the bible talk, lets deal with disenrollment and moratorium issues, Igo to church on sundays this kinda getting out of hand.
That video did no good, it's a repeat of the last one a few years ago,I shut it off half way into it! You should have talked about the ileagl moratorium thats been on for fifteen years!, your taiking about old news.
Why don't you open a moratorium blog?
Just an idea? And have moratorium protests only?
May 17, 2012 5:34 PM
I do not understand the separatist thinking of us and them. We are in this together here in the present. As hard as it is to accept some have benefited more than others, and some not at all, but does that change the fact that none are now enrolled. My objective is to me recognized by the government of the US and Pechanga as a member of my families tribe. Another objective is to erase, get rid of, disenroll those who have stomped on the bones of my ancestors, and last to help heal the spirit of our people by participating in ceremony and learning from those elders who would accept me as a decedent of Pablo Apis.
What are you really trying to say moratorium person "tell him".
When you push your religion on people they put their wall up. It's not helping your purpose.
Old news might be NEW news to others.
Imyself think that the moratorium have aere's nothing better chance in getting enrolled, you on the other hand have been disenrolled for what reason? how long has it been ?, are you any closer? what's it gonna take? I wish all of this never happened, why do they have to be so greedy?, there's nothing wrong with all that belong unite as one, but your always gonna have the greed! gods watching everyone!
I mean't the moratorium people have a better chance of getting enrolled.
Moratorium person, don't you ever read anything we write? We have said several times that the moratorium was talked about but KCBS chose not to air that portion, an hour and a half worth of footage was shot but they edited it down to just six minutes.
Contact them yourself and get a segment of your own and tell your story.
To the person who criticized John because the Newswoman didn't mention the moritorium people at Pechanga. By doing so , you are playing right into the hands of the thieves and thugs running Pechanga who want infighting between us. Their was tons of material given to the news lady that was edited into that tiny news segment. I, being a disenrolled Pechanga, was disappointed the didn't delve more into the specifics of the completely disgraceful way the Council broke every statute of their own Constitution in order to disenrolled us, and how they ignored every document, deposition in our favor, and every other indisputable fact because they had their mind made up before they even sent out the did enrollment proceeding notifications. The original NBC segment was much more informative. We need to petition the CBS lady to do a follow up report and include more of the material that was edited out; Including the moritorium info.
Contact them yourself and get a segment of your own and tell your story.
No thats ok ,we got the message from aamo kat ,...
He made it clear.
This is what we the disenrolled have done for the moratorium people.
1. Hunter and Manuela Miranda family members, while on the enrollment committee, went to the tribal council and the tribal legal dept. about the enrollment committee not processing applications for people who had gotten their applications in before the deadline.
The council and the legal dept. swept it under the rug and not long afterwards both our families were served with papers for our disenrollment.
2. I personally met with elder Norman Pico Sr, while my family was still under attack to be disenrolled, to put together a petition to end the moratorium
I met with him to get support for the issue and to make sure the petiion was in the proper format so it wouldn't be thrown out.
We got disenrolled though before I could do so.
3. Hunter family members spoke about the moratorium issue during the KCBS segment linked here.
Again, KCBS decided to not include it in the segment not us.
4. O.P. has kept a link to a story on a moratorium family for a long time now.
Compare that with what our moratorium critic here as done which is nothing except complain.
I 'aamokat made the last comment
Mark Macarro said it was the integrity of the tribe HA. What about the Leyva line that right Raymond Basquez and Andrew Masiel and Jennie Miranda don’t have proper documentation to prove Pechanga, temculum Indian or even being Native American. Have Dr John Johnson do research on the Leyva line.Thats right integrity means not using the truth.
Make note, members of the Hunter and M. Miranda families went to the tribal council and legal dept. concerning, among other things, people who had their applications in before the deadline who ended up in the moratorium anyway was regarding actions the enrollment committee had taken before they were on the committee.
It is clear that they were trying to correct those wrongdoings.
Refer to my post on May 21, 2012 11:50 AM
I turned my application in two weeks before the deadline, they stamped it one week late
We know people such as those from the Tosobol family had their applications in before the deadline but the committee, before our family members were on it, put some applications at the bottom of the pile.
I believe they didn't want to shift the balance of power by new voters coming in who potentially wouldn't vote their way.
I know for a fact that they didn't like it that the Hunters and the Manuela Mirandas were voting as a block as with 25 percent of the tribe and if the newcomers would have sided with us, we could have legally taken power.
We were accused of trying to take over the tribal government but winning elections fair and square, such as when we put a Hunter family member on the Pechanga Development Corporation, is not taking over the government.
In the end the CPP ending up doing just what they accused us of doing, that is taking over the government in a hostile takeover by eliminating a large opposition voting block.
Good to see so many comments, this topic is still hot, still NEW news. Yes it's been going on for some time but it is coming to an ugly head now. Tribes like Pala are keeping the topic fresh and making disenrollment new news.
Many Native Americans do not practice the religion of christianity, we practice the old ways. Many Native languages do not have a word for religion for this reason. I don't think trying to convert natives like the padres did in the past is appropriate on this blog.
Your right but christianity had nothing to do with what that person was expressing that book is history not religion. Hope u disolve all matters concerning the issues with the tribes you must continue your efforts to resolve the rights of the people that have been mistreated they deserve better hope you suceed in your efforts
I am a Christian and what the person is saying, that Native Americans are descendants of the Israelli tribe of Gad is just not true as the Bible doesn't say this is so, so no, what this person is saying isn't history, it has nothing to do with Chirstianity, and it is not relevant to our discussion here either.
A little biblical history though, yes the Bible does say that the tribes of Israel would be scattered to the four corners of the earth but it also says that they would be brought home and in 1948 Israel became a nation again so they have a homeland again and even though their people are still found around the world, that doesn't make Native Americans one of their people.
The Bible identifies people as either being Jews (Israelites) or
Gentiles (everyone else) Native Americans, at least in the biblical sense, would be considered Gentiles.
Now back to the topics at hand, please, so we shouldn't answer anything about this distraction someone is is on from this point forward.
( know I am not going to respond further about this.
Sand then the disenrolled can complain that you don't care about them.
When a Hunter beat the leader of the Masiel Crime Family for a seat inthe PDC, she, JM, declared war. How dare someone beat her, even if it was legally.
I agree not the form for this but still and all ashkenazi jews ( imposters)
So what kind of retaliation does Jenni have planned now that Mark wants to sanction and disenroll her?
MARK'S PROBABLY SHIT'N IN HIS PANTS
Mark ? She's gonna take out everybody (except she will lie for andy and family) but the others she rats out will get them,.
I bet 20 or 30 people will be arrested? What do you think?
why do you think this is only in the tribe. if Jennie was steeling and embezeling then this evedence should go to the feds. there will be a lot more people go to prison. so who know what kind off deal mark will make with Jennie and Andy.
Strength in numbers, family and friends unite! Let's make this march a success. Let the world know of the injustices done upon you. Let them know of the moratoriums and the disenrollments. Make congress listen to you if the BIA wont. Led by Dennis Banks, founder of the AIM. We can't loose. Join us: https://www.facebook.com/pages/Redman-March-on-Washington-2012-Offical-Site/174530335921722?sk=info
I agree lets roll with AIM how about it moratorium people?
The United States is afraid of AIM (because they get down)they don't debate issue's.
They don't talk much ,(they kick butt).
Aim will not do anything.
They is no other group that can come close to aim. Dream on
Aim rules , laura wass kicks butt
Laura Wass is an opportunist. She knew a longtime ago about what was happening to bring Indian Country to this point and refused to help...no $? Laura Wass go deaf, dumb, and blind.
Laura Wass talk stink re: Chappabitty!
She has won many battles ,she is a warrior......your just butt hurt.
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