tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post1462618349996803545..comments2024-03-19T05:32:14.292-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Pechanga Tribes HIRED Renown Archaeologist Who PROVES PAULINA HUNTER IS PechangaOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger50125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-45390448558840041042013-10-19T00:47:56.125-04:002013-10-19T00:47:56.125-04:00Boycotting? Great idea, boycott those that need ...Boycotting? Great idea, boycott those that need help.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-83054174608038525592013-10-18T23:11:46.021-04:002013-10-18T23:11:46.021-04:00To anonymous
October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM
With you...To anonymous<br />October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM<br /><br />With your head in the sand, its hard to see whats happening. <br /><br />Thanks for stopping in and posting. It is a show of support, thanks again.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-31349396138783781442013-10-18T23:08:56.476-04:002013-10-18T23:08:56.476-04:00To anonymous
October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM
Water bi...To anonymous<br />October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM<br /><br />Water bill did not get settled because the deceitful way it is presented. Just like any other deceitful lies, Karma will kill it. It's all been in the works, tick tock tick tock.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-14152051128393871652013-10-18T22:56:40.815-04:002013-10-18T22:56:40.815-04:00To anonymous you go ahead and boycott but ask Pech...To anonymous you go ahead and boycott but ask Pechanga about the water bill that went nowhere. The questions that were asked by the Indian affair committee were about disenrolled allottees. This did not happen on its own.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-24529133512439627862013-10-18T21:41:04.167-04:002013-10-18T21:41:04.167-04:00I'm boycotting Pechanga Dis-enrolled ,soon as ...I'm boycotting Pechanga Dis-enrolled ,soon as they start doing something I might get involved.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-25882244231520353372013-10-18T16:45:50.395-04:002013-10-18T16:45:50.395-04:00For any smart alec tribal members who say the fact...For any smart alec tribal members who say the facts don't back it up that we the descendants of Paulina Hunter are direct descendants of an original tribal member that both predates the reservation and from the establishment of the reservation in the late 1800s. I will again state how elders from the period of the establishment of the reservation, they, eye witnesses, proved that Paulina Hunter was indeed an original tribal member and, again, I will point out, that Dr. Johnson was merely stating the facts, no matter what mealy mouthed tribal members alive now say. Eye witness accounts trump any doubts anybody might have had.<br /><br />Again, let the elders from the time of the original reservation who knew who belonged and who didn't speak for themselves.<br /><br />Antonio Ashman, called a vaunted (much praised) elder on Pechanga's own Web site who recounted the eviction of the people from the old Temecula Indian village sites in 1875, said when he was asked, "did you know Paulina Hunter as a member of the Band?" He answered, "yes, I knew her as such." <br /><br />Original tribal member Dolores Tortuga said when she was asked, "did you know or were you acquainted with the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter during her lifetime?" Tortuga answered, "yes, I knew her as a neighbor when we Pechanga Indians lived at the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California," <br /><br />I had a tribal member last year get mad at me when I told him about the notarized depositions from original tribal members from the historical period that proved we are original Pechanga and he told me, "people alive now say you don't belong." Yeah Duh! Does he even know how absurd that even sounds or does he just want to bury his head in the sand and just keep collecting his per capita check?<br /><br />Also, not all tribal members alive now say we aren't an original Pechanga family just those mainly from two families from one particular faction of the tribe who had the votes on the stacked enrollment committee and on the council say so. We actually have notarized depositions from current tribal elders, seven in all, who say we belong as opposed to three that said we don't belong.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-11252708176791282882013-10-18T15:45:12.019-04:002013-10-18T15:45:12.019-04:00Another thing, Chairman Mark Macarro said at a pre...Another thing, Chairman Mark Macarro said at a previous meeting in 2005 to the ones when the petition to outlaw disenrollment was debated and passed that we should listen to what elders like Antonio Ashman had to say. Was he referring to what Mr. Ashman has to say about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band? I believe he, for a moment, was trying to do the right thing but he let the money sway him. Macarro knows we are Pechanga but, in the end, he doesn't care that we were done wrong.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-40368768993116143912013-10-18T15:41:43.092-04:002013-10-18T15:41:43.092-04:00we've been fighting seventeen years we tosabol...we've been fighting seventeen years we tosabols what are you talking about!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-91953528887456361412013-10-18T12:17:32.675-04:002013-10-18T12:17:32.675-04:00Exactly! Exactly! Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-80608935764215856622013-10-18T11:04:06.161-04:002013-10-18T11:04:06.161-04:00Why wouldn't someone do something so easy as c...Why wouldn't someone do something so easy as copying and pasting a LETTER that was written for you?<br /><br />It's shameful that people come on here and whine about what happened to them, but won't lift a finger to do anything for themselves.<br /><br />Tosobols could add a paragraph to explain their situation. Apis can do the same...and other in the moratorium can send one too...<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-36020826177004115822013-10-18T00:15:21.704-04:002013-10-18T00:15:21.704-04:00even half of that, would be a statement!even half of that, would be a statement!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-9842917201571789012013-10-17T22:38:42.874-04:002013-10-17T22:38:42.874-04:00What have the Tosobols been doing to continue thei...What have the Tosobols been doing to continue their fight? We havent heard much from them.<br /><br />They had 80 adults, plus spouses, in laws and friends. One letter each to holder and the pile would get pretty big. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-16065670274597112402013-10-17T21:42:57.481-04:002013-10-17T21:42:57.481-04:00Send a letter to Eric Holder! "All means all...Send a letter to Eric Holder! "All means all"!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-64146002494141861752013-10-17T21:28:17.120-04:002013-10-17T21:28:17.120-04:00I heard people are living on the Tosabols land . B...I heard people are living on the Tosabols land . Building a home ?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-65936959932492934602013-10-17T21:09:24.202-04:002013-10-17T21:09:24.202-04:00Tosabols are allotted Indians too, protect "a...Tosabols are allotted Indians too, protect "all" indians rights!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-17985346570872277972013-10-17T19:22:36.825-04:002013-10-17T19:22:36.825-04:00what about the tosabols?what about the tosabols?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-90438128460860469272013-10-16T18:27:24.546-04:002013-10-16T18:27:24.546-04:00Anonymous
" 'aamokat said...
It begs t...Anonymous <br /><br />" 'aamokat said...<br />It begs the question, why does the tribe believe elder Antonio Ashman about the eviction from the old Temecula village as recounted by him on Pechanga's own Web site but they don't believe what he said about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band?"<br /><br />Shameful, disrespectful, hateful, untrustworthy, immoral, unaccountable. It goes on and on. The water rights bill should be shelved again until Allotted Indians @ Pechanga have their rights protected. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-76074509049033895372013-10-16T16:51:43.509-04:002013-10-16T16:51:43.509-04:00It begs the question, why does the tribe believe e...It begs the question, why does the tribe believe elder Antonio Ashman about the eviction from the old Temecula village as recounted by him on Pechanga's own Web site but they don't believe what he said about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band?<br /><br />Could it be that they all got a raise on their per capita when we the descendants of Paulina Hunter were kicked out of the tribe?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-86383428042086641292013-10-16T16:46:44.700-04:002013-10-16T16:46:44.700-04:00"Dr. John Johnson should not be the final wor..."Dr. John Johnson should not be the final word on who is authentically Luiseno from Pechanga and who isn't, he is an outsider, a non-kndian, and quite frankly not such a well received expert in Native So. Cal. lineage/ancestral/historical research practices with academic circles. Sure he can offer advice and an opinion, but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community. If you don't like it have your family members vote."<br /><br />Point taken but how did Dr. Johnson come to his conclusion?<br /><br />Well, here is some of the evidence he examined, notarized depositions taken during Paulina Hunter's allotment probate in 1915 and also prior to the first written enrollment of 1979 in which tribal elders verified that Paulina Hunter was a member of the tribe.<br /><br /><br />1. Antonio Ashman, called a vaunted (much praised) elder on Pechanga's own Web site who recounted the eviction of the people from the old Temecula Indian village sites in 1875, said when he was asked, "did you know Paulina Hunter as a member of the Band?" He answered, "yes, I knew her as such." Ashman, who was 20 years old when Paulina Hunter died in 1899, and who was in his 90s when he gave his testimony verifying Paulina's tribal membership, knew who an original tribal member was and who wasn't one. <br /><br />2. Original tribal member Dolores Tortuga said when she was asked, "did you know or were you acquainted with the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter during her lifetime?" Tortuga answered, "yes, I knew her as a neighbor when we Pechanga Indians lived at the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California," part of the old Temecula Indian village prior to the establishment of the reservation in 1882.<br /><br />Tortuga's testimony was collaborated by original Pechanga member Jose David Rodriguez who added, that he knew Paulina Hunter as a neighbor on the Pechanga Indians reservation.<br /><br />4. Paulina Hunter is on every census record of the Pechanga reservation in the late 1800s until the year of her death in 1899<br /><br />Our critics like to say that the elders during the probate were merely saying Paulina Hunter was their neighbor but it is clear that Tortuga especially was including Paulina in the inclusive "we Pechanga Indians" who lived at the Pauba Ranch and this is backed up by the probate examiner calling her "the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee." <br /><br />One more thing, in 2005 the general membership of the tribe voted to outlaw disenrollment and Mark Macarro himself verified that everybody who was in the tribe would be covered by the new law if it was passed. His response to this question during the debate on the issue was, "all means all." But we, the Hunters, were disenrolled in 2006 anyway in violation of a duly passed law which the tribe's constitution and bylaws mandates that Macarro and the tribal council uphold and enforce duly passed laws passed by the membership.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-8046304408461679762013-10-16T16:38:31.885-04:002013-10-16T16:38:31.885-04:00According to Pechanga costom and tradition, the Ba...According to Pechanga costom and tradition, the Band determines "all" things.<br />The best question is whether Mark, and John Macarro bring "all" things before the Band, and do they allow the Band to follow custom and tradition?<br />At this point the answer is clear, NO!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-26936393557274492872013-10-16T15:57:30.957-04:002013-10-16T15:57:30.957-04:00The tribe does decide all matters of enrollment. ...The tribe does decide all matters of enrollment. Ask Russell "Butch" Murphy, who passed a petition to adopted your family "Butch"? The tribe did! Who voted and passed, a petition to stop investigating families for the purpose of disenrollment and declare "all" members meet the criteria of enrollment? The tribe did! Mark said "all, means all". The tribe is being pushed around by a select few. Crazy!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-58177726194018245892013-10-16T15:12:14.697-04:002013-10-16T15:12:14.697-04:00To anonymous on Oct 16 6:58 AM. Dr. John Johnson i...To anonymous on Oct 16 6:58 AM. Dr. John Johnson is not the final say in tribal matters but the question is then why would Pechanga hire a person that is not very credible in his field of anthropology. Dr. John Johnson is used by a lot of California tribes and if you ask others in his field he is a renowned expert in this field. If Pechanga is going to ignore historical documentation from the archives of Laguna Nigel and D.C. throw away Dr. John Johnson report and also not use 100 year old depositions from tribal members that lived with her at that time how did they come to their conclusion.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-17014959079443330062013-10-16T15:09:27.738-04:002013-10-16T15:09:27.738-04:00"but ultimately tribal matters should be deci... "<i>but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community."</i><br /><br />The Tribe DID decide, they decided to stop ALL disenrollments and to keep all who were members at that time in the Tribe (when asked if the Hunters were included, Mark gave an afermitive). The Tribe voted overwhelmingly to keep the Hunters in the Tribe, and stop ALL disenrollments. Mark choose to throw out there vote saying the General Membership had no authority in matters of enrollment,and disenrolled us anyways.<br />Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-16795466878006982522013-10-16T15:02:54.089-04:002013-10-16T15:02:54.089-04:00" but ultimately tribal matters should be dec..."<i> but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community.</i>"<br /><br />The Tribe DID decide, they decided to stop ALL enrollments and to keep all who were members at that time in the Tribe (when asked if the Hunters were included, Mark gave an afermitive). The Tribe voted overwhelmingly to keep the Hunters in the Tribe, and stop ALL enrollments. Mark choose to throw out there vote saying the General Membership had no authority in matters of enrollment,and steamrolled us anyways.<br />Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-46754728408657482242013-10-16T13:28:37.664-04:002013-10-16T13:28:37.664-04:00Custom and Tradition "will of the people"...Custom and Tradition "will of the people". Mark and brother John Macarro twist the bylaws, and try and recreate Custom and Tradition. Elders spoke before Mark and John Macarro were born. Before Vincent Ibanez, before Ruth Masiel, Frances Miranda, Jennie Miranda were born, on and on and on. If they really believe Custom and Tradition and respect Elders, its time to correct the mistakes. If not, Evidence is real and lies will have Karma following up. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com