tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post106529743064828785..comments2024-03-19T05:54:07.623-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Tosobol Family, Caught In Pechanga's Illegal Moratorium on Membership Has Letter for CouncilOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger28125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74357227105242259762012-01-13T22:43:33.071-05:002012-01-13T22:43:33.071-05:00What is the Enrollment committies job anyway, TO S...What is the Enrollment committies job anyway, TO SIT THEIR AND ENROLL EIGHTEEN YEAR OLDS! HEY CATILINA FIND ANOTHER JOB, BECAUSE YOU are not doing shit with the job you have know!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30740823470541581352012-01-12T00:27:29.262-05:002012-01-12T00:27:29.262-05:00Attourney needed for action what about San Pascal ...Attourney needed for action what about San Pascal legal team we are interested in who the ICRA enforcers are ??? POLYSQWALIS says WHAY SAY YOUAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84937168403129557192012-01-10T20:45:23.447-05:002012-01-10T20:45:23.447-05:00Burbee was completely against the splinter group, ...Burbee was completely against the splinter group, but now, he gets a share of the $1.5 million stolen from those disenrolled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-47677019972339415102012-01-10T10:44:04.282-05:002012-01-10T10:44:04.282-05:00Correction to my last post, I said, "But ever...Correction to my last post, I said, "But everyone can see that merely accepting applications pending re-opening the enrollment doesn't mean the enrollment is open so the moratorium law needs to be thrown out as violating the Band's constitution and bylaws."<br /><br />Of course lifting the moratorium is not anywhere near pending so the previous entry should read, "if they ever do reopen the enrollment again" which doesn't seem likely any time soon as the moratorium seems to have no end in sight.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-10400255371403841472012-01-10T07:54:56.976-05:002012-01-10T07:54:56.976-05:00A tribal member, probably our old nemesis Anotherv...A tribal member, probably our old nemesis Anotherview, may come to this comment thread and say that the enrollment is open because the enrollment committee is accepting applications this month, January 2012.<br /><br />But everyone can see that merely accepting applications pending re-opening the enrollment doesn't mean the enrollment is open so the moratorium law needs to be thrown out as violating the Band's constitution and bylaws. <br /><br />The constitution and bylaws of the 'Temecula Band of Luiseno Mission Indians', soemtimes referred to as the 'Pechanga Band of Missions Indians' (from the preamble of the Band's constitution and bylaws), under Article VIII, 'MEETINGS', states the following:<br /><br />"THE SIMPLE MAJORITY OF MEMBERS PRESENT SHALL RULE AND DECIDE IN ALL MATTERS OF GOVERNMENT AND BUSINESS OF THE BAND, UNLESS STIPULATED OTHERWISE IN THESE BYLAWS."<br /><br />Well the Band's constitution and bylaws under Article II states the following:<br /><br />"THE MEMBERSHIP ENROLLMENT WILL BE OPENED THE FIRST MONTH OF EACH YEAR BY THE BAND'S ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE."<br /><br />So it is stipulated that enrollment is every January so let the people stuck in the moratorium in!'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-50638165943155615872012-01-10T00:07:24.002-05:002012-01-10T00:07:24.002-05:00Ironic that Ed Burbee, aka Mr PotatoHead, was agai...Ironic that Ed Burbee, aka Mr PotatoHead, was against this bunch when there was no money in it for him but sided with them in getting rid of the Manuela Mirandas in 2004and the Hunters in 2006 but when he saw dollar signs so he sold out to the devil so to speak.<br /><br />So PotatoHead, the splinter group were not legitimate in 1981 but were in the 2000s?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-45721174098866219612012-01-09T22:10:20.540-05:002012-01-09T22:10:20.540-05:00Dept of the Interior
Bureau of Indian Affairs
5750...Dept of the Interior<br />Bureau of Indian Affairs<br />5750 Division St., Suite 201<br />Riwerside, CA 92506<br />Gentlemen:<br /><br /><br />One of the charges, of especial inter~st here, was that<br />Frances Miranda had received the absentee bal+ots at the ad.dress<br />of Beatrice Miranda, the incumbent Spokeswoman. We later learned<br />that she had tabulated the ballots herself, burned the ballot~~<br />and 'turned the tabulation in to the Election Committee.<br />There was no satisfactory answer to this charge, nor to<br />any of the other nine charges.<br /><br />hahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-80971442337008845402012-01-09T22:10:00.410-05:002012-01-09T22:10:00.410-05:00Dept of the Interior
Bureau of Indian Affairs
5750...Dept of the Interior<br />Bureau of Indian Affairs<br />5750 Division St., Suite 201<br />Riwerside, CA 92506<br />Gentlemen:<br /><br /><br />One of the charges, of especial inter~st here, was that<br />Frances Miranda had received the absentee bal+ots at the ad.dress<br />of Beatrice Miranda, the incumbent Spokeswoman. We later learned<br />that she had tabulated the ballots herself, burned the ballot~~<br />and 'turned the tabulation in to the Election Committee.<br />There was no satisfactory answer to this charge, nor to<br />any of the other nine charges.<br /><br />hahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84170118878424093442012-01-09T21:36:40.776-05:002012-01-09T21:36:40.776-05:00Remember, Butch is the ex-brother in-law of Macarr...Remember, Butch is the ex-brother in-law of Macarro.... What a better way to pay alimony and child support than to have the tribe pay it for you by keeping non Pechanga lineal descent enrolled and kick out others who might find this out sooner rather than later...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-53267249099687887562012-01-09T21:04:50.685-05:002012-01-09T21:04:50.685-05:00YOUR a real PEACH butch ,your motive was to FUCK t...YOUR a real PEACH butch ,your motive was to FUCK the tribe from the GET GO! you and your friendsAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-19267188184165718872012-01-09T20:28:12.268-05:002012-01-09T20:28:12.268-05:00sorry,
butch,andy,jenny ,francis,juanita sue tri...sorry, <br />butch,andy,jenny ,francis,juanita sue tribe.....all is cool now because of the money right FOOLS ?<br /><br />hahaahahahahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-58110463841986633342012-01-09T20:24:22.565-05:002012-01-09T20:24:22.565-05:00Mr. Manuel Monguia
Attorney at Law
220 South Broad...Mr. Manuel Monguia<br />Attorney at Law<br />220 South Broadway<br />Escondido, California 9202.5<br /><br />Dear Mr. Monguia:<br />This is in response to your appeal dated September 21, 1981, on behalf of Mr. Russell<br />Murphy asking the Assistant Secretary - Indian Affairs to reverse the Sacramento Area<br />Director's decision of June 12, 1981.<br /><br />MURPHY sue's the tribe hahahahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-81440864437428246292012-01-09T18:34:12.557-05:002012-01-09T18:34:12.557-05:00NO ,the BIA took the tribal council away from them...NO ,the BIA took the tribal council away from them and gave it back to Pechanga (the real people)!<br /><br />WHO was on that COUNCIL that sued PECHANGA ?<br /><br />1.Butch<br />2.ANDY<br />3.JUANITA MIRANDA<br />4.Francis Miranda<br />5.philomena nyborg<br /><br /><br />Jerome Tomhave <br />5750 division st suite 201<br />riverside ca 92506<br /><br />told ed burbee that he would not recognize these non members as the council.<br /><br />hahaha. TRUE ALL TRUE<br /><br /><br />NOBODY threatens are tribe hahahahahahaahahaahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2654871823456474012012-01-09T15:25:20.686-05:002012-01-09T15:25:20.686-05:00what was the result of the suit?
suit. Anyone have...what was the result of the suit?<br />suit. Anyone have a copy of case?<br />They are not legitimate lineal descendants..why were they illegally enrolled? <br /><br />Did they win the suit?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-570423242441102862012-01-09T12:18:25.552-05:002012-01-09T12:18:25.552-05:00You see ,butch and jenny sued the tribe and franci...You see ,butch and jenny sued the tribe and francis and andy sued pechanga and stand around and pretend to be true to the core (Haha)FUCKING CROOKS!<br /><br />Oh nobody threatens are tribe, hahahahaha!<br /><br />THATS right they got a lawyer and sued Pechanga!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-85243298378108788052012-01-09T12:11:43.004-05:002012-01-09T12:11:43.004-05:00Dear member.
This notice is to .remind you that th...Dear member.<br />This notice is to .remind you that the "election" .called<br />for January 11, 1981, is not an official election. It was<br />called by the small group that recently decided to break away<br />from the Band to set up its own government. '. .'<br />Official nominations have been delayed until march, 1981.<br />The election will take place soon aftei that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-880206128735445772012-01-09T12:01:50.597-05:002012-01-09T12:01:50.597-05:001981
Dear member and concerned individuals,
The s...1981<br /><br />Dear member and concerned individuals,<br />The special meeting notice sent to you by Jennie miranda<br />and Russell (Sutch) murphy is not an official notice. They<br />are not official representatives of the Pechanga Band. "There<br />will be no official nominations for council on the 16th of<br />November.<br /><br />(YOU no how to sue the tribe right BUTCH)and JENNY?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-65041086874725846392012-01-09T11:48:50.314-05:002012-01-09T11:48:50.314-05:00White Buffalo is right, we the Hunters would vote ...White Buffalo is right, we the Hunters would vote as block with the M. Miranda on important issues and I remember the fight against us heated up when we put a Hunter family member on the PDC, the board that oversees the casino for the people, defeating Jenny Miranda in a fair election who thought it was her inherited right to be on the board and also when we put a M. Miranda family member and another Hunter family member on the enrollment committee at about the same time.<br /><br />The M. Miranda and Hunters were about 25 percent of the tribe so what better way to stay in power than to eliminate a large voting block who had a huge voice in deciding elections?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74019257267907873172012-01-09T11:21:19.832-05:002012-01-09T11:21:19.832-05:00In answer to “Anonymous post of January 8, 2012 10...In answer to “Anonymous post of January 8, 2012 10:52 PM” I was an enrolled member in the 80s way before the casino. The tribe at that time used to hold meetings at the old building next to the baseball field, sand pit, before the government center was built. When I first started going I was in my early 20s and I went with my grandfather who was the son of Manuela Miranda who was Pablo Apis’s granddaughter. As for our property rights it is common knowledge that the casino is built on a portion of the Apis Little Rancheria that was given to him. I was once accepted by my family that is still enrolled, but we would not go along with the evil plans that Jenny Miranda wanted us to go along with, so she and the other three witches who were in cahoots orchestrated our disenrollment, I remember that I used to vote against what she said we should vote for many times because it what they were doing was wrong. There were many votes that were delayed just so that people from the CPP could go and make people come to the meetings to vote just so they could win the vote. We Apis/Miranda had a very large voting block and with the help of the Hunters we were gaining power because we would unite on issues and would win. It was clear that we would have dethroned Marcy and the other idiots who are now still in power in 2004, but we lost a vote by 3 that would have recused three hostel members of the enrollment committee who were our accusers.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-818047718822030672012-01-09T07:15:36.954-05:002012-01-09T07:15:36.954-05:00How do I adjust print in comment section? It'...How do I adjust print in comment section? It's huge!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-83363285560878546972012-01-09T06:20:14.601-05:002012-01-09T06:20:14.601-05:00Document titled "Rights Of Landowners" s...Document titled "Rights Of Landowners" state exactly what the rights of landowners are.<br /><br />No owner may block access to any other owner.<br /><br />Now...chicken shit lawless, lying, thieving criminals are intentionally violating rights landowners.<br /><br />Who are the chickenshits? The chickenshits are most likely blood relatives of their victims.<br />They know exactly what the rights of landowners are but are deliberately harassing landowners by creating a hostile and dangerous environment for innocent landowners.<br /><br />Tribal attorneys know and further continue to intimidate victims by employing criminals like the Riveiras and Dean Vasquez to commit illegal acts against lawful landowners.<br /><br />Ronald Riveira is a felon and has control of criminal acts against landowners. <br /><br />Dean Vasquez is party to criminal acts against landowners. Sneaky 'Ricky Riveira' has ridden tribal property like a it was a wild bronco and damaged the wild bronco. <br /><br />Ortloff (sp) has physically and continuously committed criminal acts against landowners with full continuing complicity of Dean Vasquez.<br /><br />"land-locking" is just one of many deliberate hostile acts harassment.<br /><br />'Illegal moratoriums,and letters of restrictions' are all tools of the criminals to intimidate landowners.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-19945329764523091102012-01-09T01:52:59.496-05:002012-01-09T01:52:59.496-05:00White Buffalo, only members are allowed at tribal ...White Buffalo, only members are allowed at tribal meetings. If you showed up at the old school house or the government center you would have been asked to leave. Did you try to become a member before pechanga had their casino? Do you have a blood quantum from the BIA showing pechanga blood?<br />Your allotments are landlocked. They are completely surrounded by private property belonging to others so that it may not be accessed without crossing land owned by another.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-4366013366296426092012-01-08T11:14:46.008-05:002012-01-08T11:14:46.008-05:00I know your pain; I remember when I would show up ...I know your pain; I remember when I would show up at the school house and then the government center for tribal meetings with my cousin. We were not welcomed warmly but we went because my grandfather said we should because we were family and that overtime we would be accepted. It is too bad that never happened because Pechanga had so much potential to be a leader that could help other tribes realizes their goal of self-sufficiency and cultural longevity. What a fool I was.<br /><br />I will stand with you on that date when you the Hunters and Tosabols decide to exercise your rights as allottee’s what it takes is commitment, so let me know that way I can clear a date on my calendar. A Saturday is best for me that way I do not have to miss school.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-58468138820588164852012-01-08T05:05:09.147-05:002012-01-08T05:05:09.147-05:00"White Buffalo said: "Smokybear, this is..."White Buffalo said: "Smokybear, this is an opportunity to do what it takes for you and your family. You have stated that we must do whatever it takes.<br /><br />Reference: Anonymous, January 5, 2012 7:27 PM<br /><br />Why, yes "I Did!" And I'm an "Allottee" of property on the "Rez," as so are others of the "Hunter Clan." Could this be a "Viable" avenue to "Explore?" Or, just another avenue of "Fruitility?" Let me discuss this, a little further, with my "Family, the Hunters." A lot of "Planning" would be in order, and a lot of questions would have to be answered before a "Lone Wolf" venture could be "Realistically"...."Realized!" Again, let me see what my "Family, the Hunters" have to offer on this subject. I would have to say: "We'll have to see," for who says that they would even let me on the "Rez" to visit my property, or visit my "Ancesters" to burn "Sage," or anything else, no matter what paperwork I have in hand, to prove "My Rights" to do so.smokeybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-69622269492999657082012-01-07T22:56:35.970-05:002012-01-07T22:56:35.970-05:00Where is Anotherview? He is strangely silent abou...Where is Anotherview? He is strangely silent about the moratorium.<br /><br />We have heard his almost constant attacks on us, the disenrolled, but on the issues of the moratorium he says nothing.<br /><br />The Tosabols got their applications in before the deadline for the moratorium. <br /><br />So come on Anotherview show it is not greed on your part that they sitll have to wait all of these years. <br /><br />Also, let's see him defend banishing them for simply going to their own land to pick sage.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.com