tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post8941815436876679158..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: UCLA Professor's Debate over Disenrollment is an EPIC FAIL in Indian Country Today ArticleOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger24125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-67086923631120855922014-07-13T14:18:32.797-04:002014-07-13T14:18:32.797-04:00I should have know that she was involved. I met h...I should have know that she was involved. I met her a few years ago and she had the classical Eurocentric belief that she was the expert. She did not answer questions directly, more to the point she was evasive especially when asked if she looked at both sides of an issue. Her statement was that tribal governments supersede those of the individual members of a community especially those communities where there are non tribal residences. So I then asked the question again have you talked to any disenrolled tribal members. She then just ignored me. White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-69355545817767548862014-07-11T14:13:59.954-04:002014-07-11T14:13:59.954-04:00Indian Country Today will be publishing my rebutta...Indian Country Today will be publishing my rebuttal to the professor, AKA Carol Goldberg's hubbyOPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-6325282297265632014-07-06T11:10:21.811-04:002014-07-06T11:10:21.811-04:00Anonymous said...
It is so sad that the only thin...Anonymous said... <br />It is so sad that the only thing these committees and tribal councils will be remembered for is how they helped dismantle their own history and legitimacy as a tribe. What is even more disturbing is the amount of people that were a part of a tribe from before federal recognition and worked side by side with members to get federal recognition and now people that know the truth are arguing those same people that put in the work, blood, sweat, and tears do not belong. Are people that ignorant to think that people don't know the actual truth and even more importantly were present when original forms were signed and articles of association were put in place. It is time to stop allowing ignorance to continue and allowing people to lie there way into disenrollment hearings. Make no mistake, those that do not stand up for what is right will be exposed in name for what they allowed to happen by being silent. Your good name is as good as gone forever if you encourage and support termination and relocation of your own people. Stand up people or you are one disenrollment away from losing all your history, heritage, advocates, and legitimacy as a people. <br /> May 22, 2012 at 4:45 PM Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-32145163828989441912014-07-06T11:03:27.618-04:002014-07-06T11:03:27.618-04:00The most dangerous liars are the one who think the...The most dangerous liars are the one who think they are telling the truth. Even when they are questioned about provable facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-37998163835827177632014-07-03T23:52:50.827-04:002014-07-03T23:52:50.827-04:00The true story is available for anyone anywhere to...The true story is available for anyone anywhere to do research and find it. Thank you White Buffalo, OP and everyone else who wants the truth to be told. The misinformation should never be shared, but since it has I'm glad some want to show the truth instead of the lies and misinformation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-61922574174726852822014-07-03T19:17:06.758-04:002014-07-03T19:17:06.758-04:00Thank you White Buffalo, for your clarification of...Thank you White Buffalo, for your clarification of how the acts worked. I sent an email to the professor, letting him know we broke down his article. <br />I'm hoping to hear back from him.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30911321119882070912014-07-03T18:37:54.152-04:002014-07-03T18:37:54.152-04:00It's not flying and the interesting thing is t...It's not flying and the interesting thing is the Bad Actors have faced the truth twice when the water rights act was being asked for by the band. The Government has told them that they recognized allotted families and have to honor the allotted rights. Now the corrupt actors are coming at it from another angle and making the story even more provable in the lie book written chapter after chapter. Every Idea the want to share can be shown under custom and tradition they are breaking the law of the band again and again. Now a guy writes misinformation outside again? Good luck it you believe this is ok.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-40193075545499313352014-07-03T18:28:02.959-04:002014-07-03T18:28:02.959-04:00Now do not misunderstand me when I say that Pechan...Now do not misunderstand me when I say that Pechanga was being formed, for we know that the San Luis Ray Temecula Luiseño Indians were already a distinct people who did trade with travelers and new arrivals to the Temecula Valley. We know that the people who first occupied the reservation know as Pechanga are the very same who lived on the Apis Rancheria. On a personal note the Corrupt who govern Pechanga have attempted to rewrite history as they have excluded Pablo Apis from any meaningful reflection of history and the important part he and his ancestors played in the continuance of the proud Luiseño Temecula Indians.<br /><br />I would not be surprised if the tribe will attempt to use this guys bad research to support a new amendment to the water rights act for allotted Indians at Pechanga. What they do not realize is if they insist that The Hunters or Tolsibal's are not Indian because of their allotments, as the guys paper suggest, then the standard would suggest that all Pechanga allotte's were participants of the Dawes act. There is no way in hell that, that will fly. White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-47577632776524744042014-07-03T18:13:36.995-04:002014-07-03T18:13:36.995-04:00July 3, 2014 at 12:22 AM is correct about the Home...July 3, 2014 at 12:22 AM is correct about the Homestead Act from the Bureau of land management. this act has several parts that were enacted over a period of time. <br /><br />"1875 – March 3, 1875: A section within an appropriation act for the first time extended to all Indians the possibility of getting a homestead if they would “abandon” their “tribal relations” and thus become acculturated into non-Native society" <br /><br />It should be mentioned that this law was directed at those tribes who remained in the east and Midwestern plains who had formal treaties with the US. California tribes did not participate, for most of the remaining California tribes were not recognized through formal treaties. <br /><br />"1884 – July 4, 1884: Another section within an appropriations act further defined how Indians could homestead, with their homesteads to be held in trust by the federal government for 25 years."<br /><br />This section helped to define what is most commonly know as the Dawes Act. This is the specific act that directly disassociates Indians from their land and people. Again this was not practiced in CA. Remember Pechanga was just being formed, and the Allotment process was not part of the Dawes act. <br /><br />"1887 – February 8, 1887: Passage of the Dawes Act provided for the division of tribally held lands under treaty into individually-owned tracts, with “surplus” lands being opened up to homesteading and other forms of disposal. Over the 47 years that the law was in effect until 1934, about 90 million acres of land left Indian ownership"<br /><br />For the most part when CA became a state in the late 1840s the tribes who were active and who had survived the Spanish, Mexican, and White settlers encroachments were recognized and grandfathered in as quasi sovereign entities. Making the CA tribes ineligible. Remember the Dawes act is dependent on lands held in trust by treatise. <br /><br />Be clear on who you accuse of being a bad actor. The juy who wrote the paper does not understand the difference of treatise tribes and those here in CA.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-41139758963298814382014-07-03T12:08:50.342-04:002014-07-03T12:08:50.342-04:00Why would the descendants of the Hunter family be ...Why would the descendants of the Hunter family be communicating about the Allotment and land issue with the BIA back in the 1915, 1920,1930 and today? Maybe because they cared about Pechanga before the Casino? Maybe they cared about the power lines being built through the rez back in the day? If they didn't' care back then, their would be no recorded communication that clearly exists.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21139674240117027322014-07-03T12:05:11.711-04:002014-07-03T12:05:11.711-04:00It's more important to those who lied original...It's more important to those who lied originally.<br />The Masiel Basquez crime family were looking to get rid of the voters who got their leader ousted from the PDC.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-91991027943408363772014-07-03T12:00:54.494-04:002014-07-03T12:00:54.494-04:00If you really want recorded truth it's all ava...If you really want recorded truth it's all available. Above the recorded depositions from before the 1930's in 1915 there is more records available from written communications with the Hunter family descendants and the US Government about the Allotment rights. If you ask for them, I'm sure the documents would be shared truthfully. Or are lies and misinformation to justify the disenrollment more important?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-50680620366627639052014-07-03T11:34:48.728-04:002014-07-03T11:34:48.728-04:00The CPP faction is now saying "ALL" star...The CPP faction is now saying "ALL" starts in 1930 if you can show your from Pechanga then. We don't recognize "ALL" Allotted Indian Ancestors, even if you show us communication from the 1930's because we said no. We don't care about the true recognition from the beginning of Pechanga. We only care about today, not then. Ancestors can see that we are more important than "ALL".Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30104135040152911912014-07-03T11:27:11.976-04:002014-07-03T11:27:11.976-04:00Here the recent change in the story comes out. El...Here the recent change in the story comes out. Elders are now saying what our Ancestors did took their rights away to be recognized. Sadly it's the bad actors club right to say "ALL" turned into we and we have to follow through with the disenrollment and we don't care about your rights because we are more than you. I hope the bad Actors club know how disrespectful they are to our Ancestors and why they are here. Our Ancestors took this land grant from the US Gov. so we "ALL" could have federal recognition. Our Ancestors gave several depositions of recorded recognition, now today the bad actors want to say that does not matter and we don't need to respect them our their knowledge because I'm more important than them. Sad truth showing through.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-12475826617123487972014-07-03T03:22:46.118-04:002014-07-03T03:22:46.118-04:00He was thinking of homestead land which WAS offere...He was thinking of homestead land which WAS offered if U.S. Citizenship was accepted, and denounced Indian...... It sucks but its history, and how the government planned to integrate the Indians into/with whites.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-45039532696717637222014-07-02T23:18:53.662-04:002014-07-02T23:18:53.662-04:00Some fight for native civil rights while others ha...Some fight for native civil rights while others have blogs for thyself perhaps this Professor is in name only for self polysqwalishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17669387066945096766noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-67821119939182368192014-07-02T23:10:02.555-04:002014-07-02T23:10:02.555-04:00It's great that anyone does anything. Not doi...It's great that anyone does anything. Not doing anything, or doing the same and expecting different results really is a form of insanity. I've done that and it took me a while to feel the reasons nothing was changing.<br />If we try we try, new or not results are truthful. Keep trying, or sit back and try later. The question I ask myself is what would my Ancestors do? That's why we ALL do what we do.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-29094856310652148212014-07-02T18:49:49.751-04:002014-07-02T18:49:49.751-04:00At least they said a splinter group stole the trib...At least they said a splinter group stole the tribe,..<br /><br />Credit for that,..<br /><br />To bad people don't fight like OP , and don't tell me you do.<br /><br /> Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-10858501146481629762014-07-02T18:41:28.331-04:002014-07-02T18:41:28.331-04:00I never thought Indian Country news would support ...I never thought Indian Country news would support the Bad Actor Association with misinformation on such a delicate issue. Opinions are one thing, but sharing lies and misinformation in a shared network deserves to be broadcast so the truth can be shared instead. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-48096169649107247802014-07-02T18:15:04.098-04:002014-07-02T18:15:04.098-04:00Indian Country blog sucks,..Indian Country blog sucks,..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-68947853599283757822014-07-02T18:12:09.861-04:002014-07-02T18:12:09.861-04:00good question, he should have to show his informat...good question, he should have to show his information sources to justify his article. just as the bad actors should have to do the same. maybe it's time to ask for the probable facts.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-72328801873410642312014-07-02T17:57:38.847-04:002014-07-02T17:57:38.847-04:00Methinks the Professor should show all his work on...Methinks the Professor should show all his work on this one..Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-24021876203728099542014-07-02T17:54:13.510-04:002014-07-02T17:54:13.510-04:00Who would give such laughingly false information t...Who would give such laughingly false information to the UCLA professor? Is this what passes for public schooling?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74372698716657180252014-07-02T14:58:18.689-04:002014-07-02T14:58:18.689-04:00Exactly, the Bad Actors broadcast the lies again a...Exactly, the Bad Actors broadcast the lies again and have assistance in broadcasting them in the Article that was mentioned. If the publisher really wants the truth it's crystal clear. Everything posted in this blog and current conversation can be proved accurate except the lies being broadcast by the Bad Actors club. Again since they want to tell the lies, it's our turn to expose it for what it is. The liars Bad Actors club tells more lies and is not provable. An article that belittles our Ancestors and what they went through is unbelievable and will not be tolerated. Our Ancestors were bullied by outsiders to get what they wanted, we will not allow it to happen again inside the band or outside.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com