tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post8452737627293207387..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Tribal corruption, disenrollments the focus of Thursday event in SacramentoOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger6125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-65131626039588622642009-02-03T18:26:00.000-05:002009-02-03T18:26:00.000-05:00SduIndian, some more points for you to consider: ...SduIndian, some more points for you to consider: <BR/><BR/>1. In our disenrollment cases our attornies were not allowed to be present at any of the disenrollment proceedings.<BR/><BR/>2. We actually got letters from the tribal council before our appeal hearings that "note taking implements of any kind will not be allowed in the hearing room."<BR/><BR/>WE WERE NOT ALLOWED TO TAKE NOTES OR EVEN TO ASK QUESTIONS!<BR/><BR/>3. We were denied copies of any of the official transcripts of any of the disenrollment proceedings.<BR/><BR/> comment: that made it very hard to mount a defense and prove that key parts of the disenrollment procedures were not followed because without those transcripts it was our word verses the committee's word.<BR/><BR/>4. Articles were added on by the Enrollment Committee after the deadline had passed for us to turn in counter arguments against those items which we had never seen beforehand.<BR/><BR/>5. The tribal council issued a bogus ruling that our family, the Hunters, were not included in the petition to end all disenrollments that had been passed the previous year.<BR/><BR/> Note: This ruling was issued just two days before the Record of Decision informing my family we were disenrolled and seven months after the law ending disenrollment had been passed.<BR/><BR/> Follow up note: The tribal council claimed that the Enrollment Committee could not be overruled by the General Membership despite the fact that a sitting councilman is in the tribe today because the General Membership had overturned the committee' decision not to enroll his family twenty years previous.<BR/><BR/>SduIndian, do you mean to support these actions which violated our rights? <BR/><BR/>Because when you blindly follow the doctrine of tribal sovereignty at all costs, that is what you are doing.<BR/><BR/>And real live, breathing people are the cost of this sovereignty at all costs.<BR/><BR/>SduIndain, we are American citizens and no other American citizens would and should put up with what we went through but somehow we are expected to put up with it by some in Indian Country.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-20216085491527515422009-02-03T15:09:00.000-05:002009-02-03T15:09:00.000-05:00No better example of a human rights violation than...No better example of a human rights violation than a nation depriving a citizen of their right to belong with-out just cause.<BR/>If a nation had resource shortages, then they would negotiate with other nations to help them, not turn a prescribed amount of their own citizens into refugees. Such is not the case with most tribal dis-enrollments and sovereignty issues. Persond are being dis-enrolled because and ancestor doesn't meet modern review or someone is a threat to someone elses position of authority. Tribal sovereignty includes a respomsibilty to human rights, like all other recognized nations.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22801433935372739102009-02-03T14:52:00.000-05:002009-02-03T14:52:00.000-05:00SdsuIndian, allegations of wrongdoing on the Pecha...SdsuIndian, allegations of wrongdoing on the Pechanga Enrollment Committee were brought to the attention of the tribal council by family members of the two families that are now disenrolled.<BR/><BR/>Regardless of whether the allegations were true or not and while I do believe they were true, let's say for argument's sake that the allegations were false. <BR/><BR/>Still, those enrollment committee members who had been accused should not have been allowed to rule on the disenrollees' cases.<BR/><BR/>In allowing them to do so, the tribal council violated Article V of the Band's constitution and bylaws that says "elected officials are to uphold the rights of individual tribal members without malice or predjudice."<BR/><BR/>We can document that the tribal council was alerted to the allegations of certain enrollment committee members and the enrollment committee and the council were asked to have those Enrollment Committee members in question to recuse themselves from ruling on the disenrollees' cases as their decisions would be biased against the disenrollees.<BR/><BR/>Also, some of the challeges to the disenrollees tribal membership were by people who are directly related to those enrollment committee members, another reason those committee members, who turned out to be the deciding votes in the kicking the disenrollees out of the tribe, should have stepped aside from ruling on the disenrollees' cases.<BR/><BR/>Yes tribes have a right to determine their own membership but what if the process is not fair, even according to a tribe's own internal laws?<BR/><BR/>All we, the disenrolled wanted and still want was/is a fair chance to prove the challenges to our tribal membership wrong but we never have gotten that chance.<BR/><BR/>SduIndian, I know you likely think you are defending the rights of Indian nations but consider this, what if your tribe suddenly came after you and your family and decided in a kangaroo court like setting that you are no longer a member of your tribe?<BR/><BR/>You might see things differently.<BR/><BR/>You may think you are inmune to this happening to you and your family but in the current climate in Indian Country I don't think anyone is safe.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51760546178905611062009-02-03T13:41:00.000-05:002009-02-03T13:41:00.000-05:00Deciding membership is not the issue. False accu...Deciding membership is not the issue. False accusations and ignoring the facts to eliminate people is the issue.PHunterhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07524222890285798336noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-91765611335156375562009-02-03T13:35:00.000-05:002009-02-03T13:35:00.000-05:00Ah, but there ARE better examples.1. Following Tri...Ah, but there ARE better examples.<BR/><BR/>1. Following Tribal Laws.<BR/>2. Treating all members justly.<BR/>3. Taking care of the people<BR/>4. Acting for the GOOD of the nation.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-71430353574023994202009-02-03T13:34:00.000-05:002009-02-03T13:34:00.000-05:00There is no better example of Tribal sovereignty t...There is no better example of Tribal sovereignty than a nation being able to decide its membership...sdsuindianhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02853507252782773340noreply@blogger.com