tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post830384822278497153..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: How Pechanga's Moratorium and Disenrollments are connectedOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger26125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-47194892879133149382010-11-17T09:51:09.170-05:002010-11-17T09:51:09.170-05:00I posted this to Facebook. Maybe it will help spr...I posted this to Facebook. Maybe it will help spread the word. You can / I did post it to Featherspeak on fb... there are lots of first nation followers on there. Meredith Carpenter SandersVetSishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16002999526880251120noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-49842042581838821652010-10-14T16:02:22.973-04:002010-10-14T16:02:22.973-04:00WE Have called AND there is no one available to sp...WE Have called AND there is no one available to speak to--- Banished Tosobal ! or brief chat with ---[Tina laugh in face]IN Tribal Legal DEPARTMENT to say no road its our road .for you hire Helicopter What do you think ? IT has all been documented to CONGRESS protest at Pechanga before we go back to DC let us unite and Bring more Tribes that have been affected we go one,to another to another until we all are HEARD NUMBERS GROWING AT EACH PROTEST INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS MUST BE ENFORCED !!!!NOW!!!UNITE TO FIGHT! POLYSQWALISAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-56675810381628960842010-10-12T21:19:36.721-04:002010-10-12T21:19:36.721-04:00Dont feel like talking to a answering machine,I ta...Dont feel like talking to a answering machine,I take it you never calledAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-49383259090551375862010-10-12T12:48:33.153-04:002010-10-12T12:48:33.153-04:00Well, have you called them and asked them? I would...Well, have you called them and asked them? I would if I wanted to know. Or are you just frustrated?<br />Leave my panties alone.... <br />I call it as I see it.<br />LOL...............stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-34491643542964839192010-10-11T10:53:02.423-04:002010-10-11T10:53:02.423-04:00Just asking a simple question,dont get your pantie...Just asking a simple question,dont get your panties in a bunch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-34189232810442336332010-10-11T00:26:46.362-04:002010-10-11T00:26:46.362-04:00HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?
TRY ASKING TH...HOW IS ANYONE SUPPOSED TO KNOW THAT?<br />TRY ASKING THE PECHNAGA BAND OF THE DAMNED AND CORRUPT ENROLLMENT COMMITTEE.stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-73390533576094976752010-10-10T20:57:58.417-04:002010-10-10T20:57:58.417-04:00Does anybody know when the moratorium will be lift...Does anybody know when the moratorium will be lifted?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-11444195947250046112010-10-10T16:27:25.666-04:002010-10-10T16:27:25.666-04:00Someone is trying to divide us but that is not goi...Someone is trying to divide us but that is not going to happen.<br /><br />For those who don't know, 'aamokat means Hunter in Luiseno, so everyone knows what family line I am from and everyone knows that I am 100 percent behind the Tosabols in their quest to get their rightful place in our tribe just as I am 100 percent behind our getting back what we have lost.<br /><br /><br />The article here, most of which I wrote, is about how disenrollment and the moratorium are both examples of the corruption that has been going on for years and how they are related, a pattern of behavior that we are trying to stop.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2493220796747973692010-10-10T16:20:13.797-04:002010-10-10T16:20:13.797-04:00The Hunters, the Apish, the Tosobol and other fami...The Hunters, the Apish, the Tosobol and other families are united in this fight against the Pechanga Corrupt Tribal Officials.<br /><br />Get this straight we are not backing down.stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51006264080701561832010-10-10T15:08:09.981-04:002010-10-10T15:08:09.981-04:00I don't read where the Hunters are blaming any...I don't read where the Hunters are blaming anyone except the CPP faction. I believe OP was saying that because the Manuela family and Hunter family were on the enrollment committee and found irregulars in the enrollment office, they were direct targets for bringing this to light. It was an article to explain how the dis-enrollments and moratorium are intertwined. People need to just face the fact that there is a SMALL group who have lied and hidden secrets to hijack the government, and take out any opposition to their lies, and misinformation.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-75109548558411302642010-10-10T13:17:23.981-04:002010-10-10T13:17:23.981-04:00THE HUNTERS BLAMING THE TOSABOLS FOR THIER FAILER?...THE HUNTERS BLAMING THE TOSABOLS FOR THIER FAILER? RUNNING OUT OF EXCUSES FOR BEING KICKED OUT? LETS FACE IT, YOUR NEVER GONNA GET BACK IN, SO STOP BLAMING THE TOSABOLS, GO GET A JOB, YOU HAD YOUR CHANCE AND SCREWED IT UP! HA HAAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-70821790762722463172010-10-10T13:00:40.397-04:002010-10-10T13:00:40.397-04:00we did enroll in 1979 along with many others I don...we did enroll in 1979 along with many others I dont belive you are a hunter your fight should be directed at mark macrrow not at the tosobal family you are probly the jackass hack that would like to see all family fight just to keep us out I am the one that went to Washington with the hunters and apish we went to let everyone know what goes on behind everyones back and to speck the truth we must of done soom good or you jackass hack would not trying to start shit so go crawel under your rock and stay there the fight will go on with the tosobal hunter apish and any one elase that would like to join from a proud tosobal member mike RAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84750710786308189812010-10-10T12:28:38.472-04:002010-10-10T12:28:38.472-04:00I am part of Tosobal Clan AND the HUNTER WHO blame...I am part of Tosobal Clan AND the HUNTER WHO blames them for losing Millions of dollars is very funny as the hunters were tribal members at the time and on thier land helping to DISCOURAGE ENROLLMENTS OF TOSOBALS otherwise The Hunters would have done the right thing and informed the family of enrollment they were not informed except by one family member and they were already marked to be excluded YOU see TOSOBALS OWNED MORE RESERVATION LAND THAN ANYONE SO YOU SEE THEY WERE NEVER WELCOME THEY HAVE ALWAYS BEEN KEPT OUT PETRA TOSOBAL WAS ALLOTTED MORE THAN 46.2 ACRES OF LAND BY DEPARTMENT OF INTEIOR YOU HUNTER IF YOU ARE HUNTER SPEAK UNTRUTH DO NOT COMMENT ON WHAT YOU DO NOT HAVE WHICH ARE FACTS WE ARE THE ORIGINAL TEMECULA INDIANS AND HAVE BEEN PURPOSELY KEPT FROM CLAIMING WHAT IS OURS LAND HERITAGE CULTURE YOU HOWEVER CRY AT LOSS OF MONEY WE HAVE BEEN FIGHTING FOR OUR RIGHTS FOR MORE THAN FIFTEEN YEARS AND PART OF THAT FIGHT WAS BECAUSE YOUR HUNTER FAMILY MEMBERS HAVE DIVIDED AND NOT UNITED SO WHEN WILL YOU JOIN US IN THE FIGHT AS ONE WE HAVE WAITED FOR A VERY LONG TIME,UNITE TO FIGHT TEMECULA INDIANS .<br />POLYSQWALIS SAYS WE ARE STONGER THAN YOU THINKAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-26259884808459758462010-10-07T16:06:37.494-04:002010-10-07T16:06:37.494-04:00A house divided cannot stand
True.
A house not s...A house divided cannot stand<br /><br />True.<br /><br />A house not supported cannot stand either. Their are not enough Apish, Hunters nor moratorium people doing enoughAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-20560341664622573822010-10-07T14:29:10.492-04:002010-10-07T14:29:10.492-04:00My last thoughts for the moment on this subject.
...My last thoughts for the moment on this subject.<br /><br />My intentions were to show that there was a connection between people who ended up stuck in the moratorium who never should have been there not to point the blame at anyone.<br /><br />It points to an ongoing pattern of corruption by certain tribal officials and they are two sides of the same coin.<br /><br />We are all in the same boat and as I said, "a house divided cannot stand."'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22973411074516582222010-10-07T14:22:35.670-04:002010-10-07T14:22:35.670-04:00I know some people think about moratorium people, ...I know some people think about moratorium people, "where were you years ago and why didn't you enroll then?"<br /><br />But if people did get their applications in before the deadline, then why aren't they enrolled yet?<br /><br />As even this bogus law has not been fairly enforced.<br /><br />Another of the allegations made against the CPP enrollment committee members was that there were adults enrolled prior to the 2000 election despite the mortatorium being in place.<br /><br />My point all along is that the tribe should be by the rule of law not by the whims of whoever happens to be in power and the moratorium should be ruled unconstitutional despite the fact that the law was approved and extended twice by the general membership.<br /><br />The constitution and bylaws under Article VIII says that the general membership are the final authority in all matters of business and government of the Band except as stipulated in the Bylaws.<br /><br />It says under Article II that the enrollment committee is to open the enrollment the first month of each year.<br /><br />So if the tribe, as it did with its deal with the city of Temecula after they were allowed additional slot machines in 2008, want to go through that agreement with a fine tooth comb to find a loophole as to why they don't have to pay what was agreed upon yet, then they should go by the letter of their own Constitution and Bylaws and let the moratorium people in the tribe.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-63961702791466196012010-10-07T13:46:48.958-04:002010-10-07T13:46:48.958-04:00Agreed. The Tosobol family sent their representat...Agreed. The Tosobol family sent their representative to Washington with Hunter and Apish family.<br /><br />The incident with the Tosobol family PROVES that Apish-Hunters stood up for them as tremendous cost to us. Our families did what was right.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-4014494033806549582010-10-07T12:59:50.921-04:002010-10-07T12:59:50.921-04:00I don't think we can blame the Tosabols for an...I don't think we can blame the Tosabols for anything as they have been given the shaft just as we have.<br /><br />Besides, we need to be united not point fingers at each other as "a house divided must fall."<br /><br />Besides, there are other families who got stuck in the moratorium who are keeping quiet in hopes of, by not rocking the boat, of getting in and others who have given up even trying.<br /><br />So I give the Tosabols a lot of credit for not laying down and taking it and for helping to keep these issues out there.<br /><br />Temecula Indians unite not fight each other!'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-11518993577759168422010-10-07T11:24:48.032-04:002010-10-07T11:24:48.032-04:00Had the Tosobols in the moratorium enrolled in 197...Had the Tosobols in the moratorium enrolled in 1979, the whole thing would have ended up differently.<br /><br />Hunters and Manuela Miranda heirs were disenrolled because they support the Tosobol family's enrollment.<br /><br />Their failure has cost our family's Millions of dollars.Hunterhttp://airro.orgnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-89666170365411888722010-10-06T17:39:15.761-04:002010-10-06T17:39:15.761-04:00The best possible move is to advise all friends to...The best possible move is to advise all friends to avoid Pechanga. Put it out there what they have done to your families.<br /><br />Too many people still don't know, even in Temecula.<br /><br />Support the city in negotiations, comment on news articles and write the city a letter of support so they don't lose their backbone.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84980083553285522502010-10-06T15:28:58.256-04:002010-10-06T15:28:58.256-04:00The above two posts are an exact pinpoint of what ...The above two posts are an exact pinpoint of what is happening. I do feel that there is shaking going on in the CPP with all the movement outsidde the reservation with Congress, the moritorium people and the two disenrolled families joining forces. The best possible move for the CPP is to relook at the disenrolled families and see the mistakes that were made, time for corrections. The moritorium should be addressed and stopped as this is illegal also. This thing is getting way out of control.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-89364392651513512432010-10-06T15:27:25.835-04:002010-10-06T15:27:25.835-04:00"your arguments are valid and sincere, howeve..."your arguments are valid and sincere, however, when you are in Indian Country, it is sovereign land and the laws are that of the Tribe. Tribes can change their laws and resolutions at the flick of a hat if they want to, and it is their right as a sovereign nation."<br /><br />That is why the Indian Civil Rights Act (ICRA) needs to be enforced as tribes aren't even following their own rules. <br /><br />But you know some people will blame us, the victims, when it happens as they think sovereignty will be eroded instead of the dishonest people who actually cause the erosion.<br /><br />Ask yourselves, would you be willing to be thrown under the bus if it was you?<br /><br />I for one don't.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-69073050120436741572010-10-06T15:08:48.268-04:002010-10-06T15:08:48.268-04:00Although this is all true, who cares enough to sto...Although this is all true, who cares enough to stop them? No one in the tribe will stand up to the corrupt tribal council. The only ones who did where the Hunters and Manuela Miranda's and they've been disenrolled for there stand. This is not how a tribe properly functions. Disenrolling those who's opinions they don't like.<br />There will never be any justice as long as tribes continue to benefit from crimes committed against TRUE NATIVES. <br />You gave up your sovereignty when you started going against the will of the tribe and bringing in outsiders "adopted" people and replacing tribal members with them.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-71647461762533795052010-10-06T15:00:32.243-04:002010-10-06T15:00:32.243-04:00Everybody knows that Tribal Politics is a personal...Everybody knows that Tribal Politics is a personality contest, the bigger the family the more powerful. And, if you get a large family to ally with yours...well, it is what it is. It will never change, your arguments are valid and sincere, however, when you are in Indian Country, it is sovereign land and the laws are that of the Tribe. Tribes can change their laws and resolutions at the flick of a hat if they want to, and it is their right as a sovereign nation. Unless you get all of the other Tribes to see your side, and you won't, you will have to just talk to this site about it because nobody else is going to help you. Why? because 13 rogue tribes out of hundreds is just not enough to take action. Also, this should have been thought of before you voted to keep adoptions in tact. Why would any Tribe adopt non-ndns is beyond me...go figure. Anyway, I still wish y'all a lotta luck.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84845321182851797872010-10-06T14:04:37.134-04:002010-10-06T14:04:37.134-04:00But if the allegations made are true, then people ...But if the allegations made are true, then people have been stuck in the moratorium for years who never should have been there in the first place.<br /><br />I do believe if there was any kind of audit of the practices regarding enrollment at Pechanga that they could in fact be proved and that even at this late date they should be looked into.<br /><br />One of things that the CPP did prior to our disenrollment was to spread the rumor that we were trying to take over the government by recalling the tribal council.<br /><br />We never had any such plans but looking back, I think the CPP knew they were violating tribal law and their allies on the council deserved to be recalled so maybe they should have been recalled.<br /><br />So Temecula Indians, can we recall them now?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.com