tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post7774207078451033523..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Pechanga's Latest Revision of HISTORYOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger33125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21336432275745626352009-07-28T19:41:11.106-04:002009-07-28T19:41:11.106-04:00The tribe lied to the citizens of California to ge...The tribe lied to the citizens of California to get that Casino put in and now its time for the people of California to take it back or abolish the cainos for the tribes that lied...the Casinos were supposed to be for the improvement and advancement of all tribal members...not the thinned out ranks like Pechanga has done....and wasnt the money supposed to be shared with tribes that had no Casinos?...I bet its a very minute amount....CHEATERS!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-35883540867266672692009-07-28T18:10:30.428-04:002009-07-28T18:10:30.428-04:00Pechanga! We start our history just before the Gr...Pechanga! We start our history just before the Great Depression! Doesn't have the same ring as 10,000 years does it?<br /><br />How can Pechanga history START, after Ruth Masiel was BORN?Masiels are Stupidnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-34052346341076139062009-07-28T16:22:38.672-04:002009-07-28T16:22:38.672-04:00Luisneo, but also it seems, in addition to saying ...Luisneo, but also it seems, in addition to saying people not connected to the start of the reservation are true Pechanga, that they are trying to say only those who have no connection to the old Temecula Indian village before the reservation are now the true Pechanga people.<br /><br />Kind of takes away the 10,000 years of history that they claim if 1928 is the start of things doesn't it?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-60066466220990936272009-07-28T15:00:21.195-04:002009-07-28T15:00:21.195-04:00So what they are trying to say is "the only t...So what they are trying to say is "the only true Pechanga people, are those who were not there at the creation of the reservation"?Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-87030897020748161712009-07-28T01:44:23.603-04:002009-07-28T01:44:23.603-04:00When I was a tribal member I had to pay state and ...When I was a tribal member I had to pay state and federal income tax on my per capita as I don't live on the Rez.<br /><br />However, anyone who lives on the Rez doesn't pay state income tax on per capita but everyone pays federal taxes on it.<br /><br />There are people who don't live on the Rez but claim they do and use a P.O. box but don't pay state income tax on their per capita, which is illegal.<br /><br />I can't remember if we paid sales tax or not on purchases at the casino but I did get a discount at the gas station and at the buffet.Former Tribal Membernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-52390674277438636142009-07-27T20:53:29.898-04:002009-07-27T20:53:29.898-04:00Could someone from the tribe please explain to us ...Could someone from the tribe please explain to us exactly what id tax free to a tribal member?..do they pay State Income tax on the per capita?...sales tax on purchases?...federal tax on per capita?..thank you....we need to get the State involved and need the facts.!toentunAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51101947821878432112009-07-27T14:02:37.425-04:002009-07-27T14:02:37.425-04:00Congressional hearings are around the corner. Pec...Congressional hearings are around the corner. Pechanga is on the radar along w/ the Freedman issue. Go for it, Change the requirments for enrollment. It would be comical.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21593828580300798722009-07-27T13:45:54.688-04:002009-07-27T13:45:54.688-04:00All of this could have stopped in June of 2005. To...All of this could have stopped in June of 2005. To bad greed got in the way.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22849010771843784082009-07-27T13:43:49.973-04:002009-07-27T13:43:49.973-04:00Just because Rose Murphy was accepted in the india...Just because Rose Murphy was accepted in the indian way prior to 1928 does not give Butch or any of his clan the right to vote, hold office or rule in any tribal matters. Butch is truly a snake that has a venomus bite. When he saw that he had to go before the General Membership to have his enrollment validated, he was very busy asking anyone and everyone for help. Since that time he has been very busy stabbing those same people in the throat. Bye Bye Butch!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21591354567985200872009-07-27T12:58:44.931-04:002009-07-27T12:58:44.931-04:00Adoptions are not allowed per the Bylaws, he shoul...Adoptions are not allowed per the Bylaws, he should never have been allowed. Plus the bylaws do not include lineal descent for those "accepted". This is written as an individual not lineal basis. Butch and his bloodline should be removed, this is not a matter of enrollment it is a matter of bylaw enforcement.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-70939087515961087192009-07-27T11:36:37.779-04:002009-07-27T11:36:37.779-04:00The man that you call, "Butch Murphy", I...The man that you call, "Butch Murphy", I assume was an adopted White Man...correct? If this is so, it is one of the reasons that adoptions should never be allowed, especially of a non-indian. That is how Native Americans got conquered in the first place - trusting n helping the White Man. Look what happened in your cases - Pechanga, the white man has more power that blood flowing true Indians. Furthermore, that white man is eligible for health, education, housing Indian benefits, and he isn't even Indian, he is taking from the true Indians all over America. The Tribes have limited funding as it is, and now you tell me that Tribes are adopting White People - Pechange needs to have their funding taken away for this. jmt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2110576349425328772009-07-27T11:18:44.189-04:002009-07-27T11:18:44.189-04:00Current tribal members, if you read this thread, c...Current tribal members, if you read this thread, consider that the Masiel/Basquez claim that they and only a few others are the real Pechanga and that a lot of you are not.<br /><br />You are fools if you vote for this resolution to change the membership requirments and you are fools if you don't get every voting member from your families at the meeting to vote against this measure.<br /><br />You think your tribal membership is safe because of the petition in 2005 that was supposed to stop disenrollment?<br /><br />Well we were disenrolled in 2006 anyway and this year, 2009, reportedly the CPP tried to get more families disenrolled and while so far they failed this time around, they will keep trying and the change in membership requirments could make it easier to come after anyone.<br /><br />Ironic that those who don't have a clear claim of being original Pechanga from the old Temecula village from before the eviction in the 1870's and from the original reservation that was set aside for the people in the 1880s would have a legal (false I believe) claim to membership if indeed they are trying to use the 1928 census as a base roll and that makes you vulnerable.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-1486495595457405382009-07-27T01:21:21.279-04:002009-07-27T01:21:21.279-04:00You are right a'amokat
only the descendants of...You are right a'amokat<br />only the descendants of Manuela Miranda where disenrolled while<br />others, who are descendants from that lineage are still enrolled, that just shows how selective and political it was. <br />After they disenrolled the Hunter's,they,the corrupt CPP where free to do whatever they wanted now there was no one <br />left in the tribe who had the balls to stand up to them,<br />to stop them or question their<br />wrong doings.<br />The Pechanga tribal members are subjected to threats, fear and manipulation of the truth by<br />Mark Macarro and the tribal council....<br /><br />eventually everything comes to an end....you can bet on that...Creeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09974839755652435072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-53876999300941940322009-07-26T22:53:37.360-04:002009-07-26T22:53:37.360-04:00I don't want to be one of their kind of Indian...I don't want to be one of their kind of Indians...Phil Cuevasnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-52466059148171996662009-07-26T16:24:58.692-04:002009-07-26T16:24:58.692-04:00Lateral descent does not apply either. Some of th...Lateral descent does not apply either. Some of these people can only show an aunt or uncle connection to a Temecula/Pechanga person.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-19105131667538719272009-07-26T16:22:29.362-04:002009-07-26T16:22:29.362-04:00Most of the people who would support the use of th...Most of the people who would support the use of the 1928 census have no other ties to the resevation before that. Squater rights do not apply.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-67085847134554497862009-07-26T16:20:36.571-04:002009-07-26T16:20:36.571-04:00Remember they never told the Manuel Mirandas nor t...Remember they never told the Manuel Mirandas nor the Hunters they were not indians, just not their kind of indians.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-37579156802527321272009-07-26T16:18:13.986-04:002009-07-26T16:18:13.986-04:00I believe they will try and use both the 1928 cens...I believe they will try and use both the 1928 census and 1928 applications.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-1629580314171524522009-07-25T17:04:07.532-04:002009-07-25T17:04:07.532-04:00So is it actually the 1928 census, who was living ...So is it actually the 1928 census, who was living there at that time, or is it the 1928 applications for enrollment as California Indians?<br /><br />Because some Pechanga people listed San Luis Rey (Luiseno) on their 1928 applications and some people from the same family lines wrote down Pechanga or Temecula.<br /><br />That was the reasoning behind getting rid of us, the Hunters, because a member of our extended family put San Luis Rey on his 1928 application.<br /><br />Despite the fact that others from the same line of descent put Pechanga and/or Temecula and even though the reservation was called during the 1890s by all three names, Pechanga, Temecula, or Temecula reservation-San Luis Rey Tribe, depending on what year the census was taken.<br /><br />And a lot of other families who are still in the tribe, including a member of the Masiel/Basquez family, also put San Luis Rey or San Luiseno and not Pechanga on their 1928 applications<br /><br />So why are they in and we are now out if they have the same information in their family histories?<br /><br />Also, since the disenrollments at Pechanga, the BIA has been quietly changing the CDIBs for some people.<br /><br />So are they part of the CPP's plan?<br /><br />Creeper, you always make referrence to the Apis as being disenrolled but there are still many Apis Clan members in the tribe including the Picos, the Lukers, the Magees, as well as some people from the Mirandas, and others.<br /><br />It was the descendants of Manuela Miranda not the Apis Clan that were kicked out in 2004.<br /><br />Ironic if Anthony Miranda, the author of the petition to end disenrollments in 2005, is behind this new law.<br /><br />Because his ancestor was not at Pechanga during the censuses of the late 1890s, which was a reason given for kicking out his fellow Mirandas in 2004.<br /><br />By the way, the reason why Manuela Miranda moved away from the people was because she was a young girl and her mother died so she moved in with a family member in another city. Still tribal elders from the period still considered her Pechanga, despite what the CPP says.<br /><br />White Buffalo, was that family member your ancestor moved in with actually Candalaria Nesecat Flores, her older sibling and the ancestor of the Mirandas still in the tribe?<br /><br />So is A. Miranda trying to erase any possible reason for the CPP to come after his family considering some (but not all) of his blood relatives are disenrolled?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22803018773562382602009-07-25T13:59:02.202-04:002009-07-25T13:59:02.202-04:00Creeper is a very wise man.He speaks the truth abo...Creeper is a very wise man.He speaks the truth about the bad seeds and their families that have grown into a cancer.When will the good current members wake up!If they had more back up they might be able to win but under the current situation its 50/50. The snakes are making their move again when the good least expect something they will strike again and bite they will.They have proven they can and their evil was never stopped so they will just continue to cut through the hearts and souls of the true Pechangas whose numbers dwindle down everyday don't you know that's what they want.It reminds me of the Luisenos and the Cupenos in Pala.Pala is and always has been Luiseno territory than the Cupenos showed up and have overpowered the Luisenos and now it is Cupeno land, don't get me wrong they are not as hateful as the CPP but when you lose your CLAN STRENGTH it's not easy to make a come back.This is one power trying to take over the other power and if the current good members just sit back and do nothing like Creeper said They will bite you back and when they are all dead and gone they have created and molded their children to carry the sickness and hatefulness on for them against your children there will be no peace because it is a cancer monster out of control slow and deadly the silent killers.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-17907522752797100562009-07-25T13:46:26.792-04:002009-07-25T13:46:26.792-04:00Funny to me...I will have a car as old as the &quo...Funny to me...I will have a car as old as the "rich history" of the so-called new "indians", and I would also add that my car is even more original. My grandmother was born before 1928.<br /><br />The tribe is just becoming more and more of a joke month by month, year after year. 1928...coincidence? 1928 was a great time for criminals like Al Capone, and it was so good of a time for US citizens "that it was so easy to make money on the Wall Street Stock Exchange that it was no longer a gamble. A gamble is when someone loses and someone gains, (in the US) everybody (at that time) was winning"...poignant to say that that was just before the 1929 Wall Street Crash.<br /><br />How about "adopted" before that time? Even if adoptions were allowed, anyone who could not link themselves to the actual allotments and has to hold on to current US history is nothing short of a squatter or plainly not from the area, and could not directly associate themselves with the forcefull evictions or original placement in a reservation.<br /><br />Overall, in short time, this tribe that seems to be blending in so well with the gangbangers and mexicans that have taken over, their crash will come too. And, I hope it comes hard.<br /><br />Federal government...take hold, this tribe is not what you recognized originally.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-5911300523387623132009-07-25T12:16:11.834-04:002009-07-25T12:16:11.834-04:00Tribal members.. ask yourself this question is MON...Tribal members.. ask yourself this question is MONEY your only GOD <br />or are you so afraid of<br />Mark Macarro, John Macarro,<br />Andrew Masiel and Butch Murphy <br />the white man that you dare not<br />speak up? <br />What more needs to happen to make you rebel and fight back?<br />The future of your tribe is in serious trouble if you let this<br />latest resoluton go thru.<br />All tribal members should vote this down...<br />this will bite you in the Ass if you dont say no to this.Creeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09974839755652435072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-3143368992645946722009-07-25T12:10:50.840-04:002009-07-25T12:10:50.840-04:00Here is a snapshot as to their motive.
http://www...Here is a snapshot as to their motive.<br /><br />http://www.indiancanyon.org/pics/census1928names/Riverside.htmlAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-68529000418561730002009-07-25T12:00:15.979-04:002009-07-25T12:00:15.979-04:00This 1928 record that the CPP are trying to use ha...This 1928 record that the CPP are trying to use has the six families that are saying "we are the Original Pechanga". It's the same people who put the petition forward to stop all disenrollments.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-61469929409692276152009-07-25T11:52:14.573-04:002009-07-25T11:52:14.573-04:00A warning to the following enrolled
familes: the G...A warning to the following enrolled<br />familes: the Garbanie, the Pico, the Vasquez, you where targeted for disenrollment before and you will be the target again if you let this resolution go thru.<br />By a stroke of luck you where not disenrolled, but believe me it CAN and WILL still happen.<br />I know that you are comfortable right now, but if you do not stand up against this latest perversion<br />of changing the HISTORY and cannibalizing of our HERITAGE, then YOU WILL BE JOINING <br />the HUNTERS,the APIS,the Banished<br />and the Moratorium.<br />I urge all tribal members to fight against these corrupt leaders at Pechanga and remember<br /> WE WILL BE STANDING BY YOUR SIDE.Creeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09974839755652435072noreply@blogger.com