tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post7117009946519596937..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: OPEN LETTER TO: PALA GENERAL COUNCIL Details Lawsuit Against Pala's Executive CommitteeOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger47125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-89692326912860734732013-05-11T22:32:39.563-04:002013-05-11T22:32:39.563-04:00I know what you are talking about, for I am form t...I know what you are talking about, for I am form the Apis family who ancestor Manuela Miranda was posthumously disenrolled in 2004, so we have been working to regain our heritage all this time. Yes we know the statements made against us that are used to justify the illegal actions of the Pechanga EC and tribal counsel. Last we know the spirit of our tribe has been sold for power and gold. I do not want to sound rude but I am aware of the pain you endure. I know it all too well.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51609017461611424392013-05-11T13:10:47.859-04:002013-05-11T13:10:47.859-04:00White Buffalo,
The supporters of disenrollment ha...White Buffalo,<br /><br />The supporters of disenrollment have been painting the disenrollees black to cover their own greed and evil motives. They say the only reason we want back in the tribe is because we are greedy. Then they say that we should have saved our money and then we wouldn't complain about being disenrolled. Then they say we are lazy and should have been working and then it would be okay to be disenrolled.<br /><br />Now you and anyone who reads this blog knows that there are lots of reasons why want to be reinstated. Our heritage is very important to us. It is part and parcel of our identity as Indians. We are still Indian, but we have been severed from our connections to our people. It is devastating to see our tribe ripped apart in this way, and to have this hole in our hearts where our belonging used to be.<br /><br />We know that our cousins in Temecula have gone through this same devastation, and hope that our efforts to attain reinstatement will open the door for others to regain their tribal status. Let us all pray to the four corners and bring the spirits to our aid.Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-38407349258575458342013-05-11T12:30:40.421-04:002013-05-11T12:30:40.421-04:00Anonymous said...
7:50Pm, I am not talking to you...Anonymous said...<br /><br />7:50Pm, I am not talking to you. You don't matter.<br /><br />So R&R, no you did not answer my question. Again you jumped on the soapbox and spouted off as usual.<br /><br /><br /><br />Its funny, that this guy asks for motive from someone and then badgers the person like he is someone important or with power to decide the fate of others. <br /><br />Well dude I am still waiting for an answer it is a simple question. <br /><br />Why do you need to know?<br /><br />Don't like it much tough guy.<br /><br />I am the White Buffalo aka Guero Nunez. White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-13718850706617692212013-05-09T23:04:41.487-04:002013-05-09T23:04:41.487-04:00Anonymous said...
Nice speech R&R, I do appla...Anonymous said...<br /><br />Nice speech R&R, I do applaud your effort. Now, answer the question posed without your usual bravado. You did not answer. <br /><br />Here it is again:<br /><br />Would you and your family accept your heritage back, without the per-capita?<br /><br />It sounds like someone is trying to stir the pot and create controversy. Well dude it appears that your question was answered.<br /><br />I applaud the thought that the per cap should go to help children. Now I think you owe him an apology for your insinuation that it is just about the money. There are some who look beyond the money. I will say this. <br /><br />Those who know what is wrong and do noting because they fear disenrollment may actually fear losing the money, but they will not say so<br /><br />Last why was it so important for you to know? White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-55358909474161863752013-05-09T23:00:22.114-04:002013-05-09T23:00:22.114-04:00I don't think that Pala even has a vice chairm...I don't think that Pala even has a vice chairman,because from what leroys relatives are saying is that he has quit as vice chair and wamts to be an artist or some B/S like that.Kakaboy is now a Gayboy.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12716278923718738253noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-5522827447542516962013-05-09T01:37:02.843-04:002013-05-09T01:37:02.843-04:00Are you suggesting that there is something beside ...Are you suggesting that there is something beside the reality of the situation, where we can have something different than what there is? Here is my answer: I can't speak for anyone but myself, but I would take back my heritage without per-capita rather than no heritage at all. <br /><br />Want to know why?<br /><br />To 8:42 PM:<br />That is one of the rights of tribal members that I seek. I too want to be buried with my family on the rez.<br /><br />You seem to be unclear about the intent of the disenrolled and the pursuit of our heritage. So what is the heritage of a tribal member? It is tribal membership, a place to go for your final rest, a belonging to a family with connections to your customs, traditions, land, history, and ancestors. Some may say that disenrollment did not take away our heritage, but perhaps when I say it this way they will recognize the loss that we all feel, because these have been taken from us.<br /><br />Is that good enough for you? It isn't enough for me. I also want my vote back, and to attend the General Council Meetings, and to work for the betterment of the tribe. You must not be tribal or you would know these things. <br /><br />But there is more. If I accept reinstatement without per-capita, I want my share of per-capita put into trust for the minors of the disenrolled so they can have the opportunity for a better future. <br /><br />I refuse to let the crooks of the Pala EC benefit from our per-capita. They have wronged us, our descendants, and our ancestors to the very core. We are true Kupa, and they are theives, liars, dopers, drunks, perverted, corrupt, petty, larcenous, vindictive blights on humanity. <br /><br />They are all that I never want to be. They remind me to stay true to our customs and traditions and not to get lost in the lure of power and riches, or to believe that hurting innocent people can ever be justified. <br /><br />Now I tire of this ridiculous attempt to make us look greedy or foolish. We will not quit until we are reinstated. We have not exhausted our options, and soon enough the day will come when we can once again say we have native pride. <br /> Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-34176558413394467682013-05-09T01:22:27.601-04:002013-05-09T01:22:27.601-04:00To 8:32 , wow I don't matter . Here you are ac...To 8:32 , wow I don't matter . Here you are accusing r&r of avoiding the question and now you are avoiding the question, with no explanation except "you don't matter". The fact is MB is 4/4. Her descendants were illegally dissenrolled and everyone knows it. They want re enrollment with equal rights as all other members. If all other members get per cap then yes so should the Britain defendants. That is just my opinion. I do not Speak for the disenrolled.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21057248985884337182013-05-08T23:42:18.347-04:002013-05-08T23:42:18.347-04:00I have to ask myself R&R, what is the answer? ...I have to ask myself R&R, what is the answer? I want my heritage but I don't care about the money. What does everyone else feel? If it is money then count me out. I just want to be buried on the rez.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-1904248202600543782013-05-08T23:32:25.669-04:002013-05-08T23:32:25.669-04:007:50Pm, I am not talkng to you. You don't matt...7:50Pm, I am not talkng to you. You don't matter.<br /><br />So R&R, no you did not answer my question. Again you jumped on the soapbox and spouted off as usual.<br /><br />The question is, would you accept your heritge back but not accept the per-capita? The answer is yes or no. I think I have made this pretty simple for you.<br /><br />It's either 3 letters or 2 letters. Which is it? <br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21906081691875351482013-05-08T23:06:53.241-04:002013-05-08T23:06:53.241-04:00Anonymous said...
Nice speech R&R, I do appla...Anonymous said... <br />Nice speech R&R, I do applaud your effort. Now, answer the question posed without your usual bravado. You did not answer. <br /><br />Here it is again:<br /><br />Would you and your family accept your heritage back, without the per-capita?<br /><br />Simple answer- yes or no. If it is "no" then we know what you really want.<br /><br />I don't want to hear the "Be Warned" stuff. It's yes or no.<br /><br />I will continue to challenge you on your true intentions. <br /><br />Yes or no.Pretty simple stuff."<br /><br />Let me clarify what I said. I guess it is easy to misunderstand.<br />I said: <br /><br />"We have to stop him before he completely destroys the Tribe. If you wonder why we sued him and the other members of the Pala EC, then this is the best reason. The EC says we are greedy and that all we want is the money, but we are trying to save the tribe from destruction. <br /><br />We would do the same with or without the casino revenue."<br /><br />Where does this say we would forego per-capita in exchange for reinstatement of our heritage? Also if we were to do so, it would create a second class of citizens in the tribe and there is no provision for this in our tribal law. When we are reinstated we fully expect to be members and citizens of or tribe and nation with full voting powers, land rights, and all benefits, equal to those of any other member. That is our heritage.<br /><br />This game that the Pala EC and those who have sided against us play, trying to portray as us greedy liars, must be like looking into the mirror for them. They know this is their own true nature so they suspect the same of everyone else. <br /><br />Each time I try to explain our position it always comes back to these accusations of greed and dishonesty, but ask yourself who benefitted from our disenrollment? We have been dragged through our own living hell, and then painted black by those who have tried to destroy us.<br /><br />We did not break any laws. We did not lie about our blood. We did not steal from our people or commit crimes against them.<br /><br />I think I answered your question with honesty and sincerity. Now let us focus on the issues and not the attitudes and accusations. <br /><br />We will not win reinstatement by getting distracted with defending ourselves against these silly claims about what we want. We want reinstatement. We want our heritage restored. We want to save our people from being destroyed by the Pala EC. Our motives are honest, and completely funded with our own resources. All agencies, governments, and even our own people have tried to thwart us.<br /><br />Have we not proved our courage and good intentions yet?<br /><br />Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30273265415067376652013-05-08T22:50:44.718-04:002013-05-08T22:50:44.718-04:00This is to anonymous 6:05. Would you give up your...This is to anonymous 6:05. Would you give up your percap? Why should the britain descendants not be held to the same benefits that all other tribal members are entitled too? We're you not listening ? The Brittians fought this and won in the 80's when there was no per cap or even a talk of a casino . So obviously it was important to them to be enrolled before there was any money involved. I think what r&r is saying is that if there is a casino, or not they would still be fighting to be enrolled. but we all know that if there was no casino they would still be in the roll. So maybe it's about the money but your pointing in the wrong direction. The money is the reason behind the ECs decision Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-52929792475721900822013-05-08T21:24:21.323-04:002013-05-08T21:24:21.323-04:00R&R, i trust you butt are your givin us up??Yo...R&R, i trust you butt are your givin us up??You dint answer so I am scared., i want back in but I need the cap. i have know moneyAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-15043772442175225182013-05-08T21:05:25.676-04:002013-05-08T21:05:25.676-04:00Nice speech R&R, I do applaud your effort. Now...Nice speech R&R, I do applaud your effort. Now, answer the question posed without your usual bravado. You did not answer. <br /><br />Here it is again:<br /><br />Would you and your family accept your heritage back, without the per-capita?<br /><br />Simple answer- yes or no. If it is "no" then we know what you really want.<br /><br />I don't want to hear the "Be Warned" stuff. It's yes or no.<br /><br />I will continue to challenge you on your true intentions. <br /><br />Yes or no.Pretty simple stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-32078495118975485232013-05-08T13:20:14.320-04:002013-05-08T13:20:14.320-04:00Anonymous said...
So Brittain family, based upon w... Anonymous said...<br />So Brittain family, based upon what R&R said above,if you could get your heritage back and not get the per-capita from the tribe, you would accept that? Is that right or does R&R not speak for you? You say it is all about heritage so here is your chance.<br /><br />"We would do the same with or without the casino revenue."<br /><br />How kind of you to insinuate that all the disenrolled want is the per-capita. It does show how your mind works. Just so you have the correct information, the descendants of Margarita Brittain fought for the correction of her blood degree long before there was a Casino and revenue to share. <br /><br />There were many reasons for the effort, most of which was the continuity of the tribe. My grandmother told me she was worried that she might not be able to keep her land and home in the family after she died. As it is the tribe confiscated my uncle's land and demolished his house.<br /><br />So you see, we have long known that we belong, and have worked over many years to prove that we are Pala in spite of the complaints from those who have tried to keep us out with every illegal and fraudulent tool at their disposal. <br /><br />They have no proof. They never did. That is why they made pen corrections to the 1913 Pala Allotment Roll without supporting evidence. That is why they refuse to accept all the evidence that supports our enrollment. They lie and point at old arguments that have long since been proven to be incorrect, and say the proof is insufficient because they would rather believe some fictional story or erroneous decision of the past.<br /><br />There you have it. We appealed, researched, battled, fought, and won once already with the 1989 Final Decision. There is an Order to Enroll issued by the Assistant Secretary - Indian Affairs, and the Pala Executive Committee was compelled to enroll us.<br /><br />They never appealed this, and have never found any evidence that can overturn this ruling. Instead they have lied, deceived, rewritten the Constitution, withdrawn from the Inter-Tribal Court, gave themselves power over enrollment and pretended that it is the right thing to do.<br /><br />Those of you who agree with these methods and their goal may find yourselves on the wrong side of the Pala EC. Be warned! They will take everything away from you and say it never really was yours to begin, and better go get yourself some welfare.Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-32510717985952354992013-05-07T18:49:41.418-04:002013-05-07T18:49:41.418-04:00The general council voted on the issue back in the...The general council voted on the issue back in the 80's. Now Robert thinks he has more power then the general council by overturning a dicision that they already made. I guess it doesn't matter what the general council wants because robert will just overturn it if he doesn't like it. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51064943659926428242013-05-07T18:10:53.226-04:002013-05-07T18:10:53.226-04:00What happend to the brittian descendants was wrong...What happend to the brittian descendants was wrong. Everyone knows they belong. The evidence speaks for itself. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-27045122924522587502013-05-07T08:52:46.811-04:002013-05-07T08:52:46.811-04:00If we didn't belong we never would have been e...If we didn't belong we never would have been enrolled!<br />It sucks that 5 drunks/drug addicts can change what the general council voted on in the 80's and disenroll with out proof! <br />They're a cowards anyways they can't even walk around the Rez without a bodyguard!<br /><br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-58009358637744142552013-05-06T21:27:54.272-04:002013-05-06T21:27:54.272-04:00They don't belong in the tribe. We don't c...They don't belong in the tribe. We don't care if they come in with or without the percapita. They don't belong.<br /><br />The court says no.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-11240399164907468792013-05-06T21:21:22.743-04:002013-05-06T21:21:22.743-04:00Wow, you guys would come back into the tribe witho...Wow, you guys would come back into the tribe without your per cap?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-77736467089695408952013-05-06T20:46:35.401-04:002013-05-06T20:46:35.401-04:00So Brittain family, based upon what R&R said a...So Brittain family, based upon what R&R said above,if you could get your heritage back and not get the per-capita from the tribe, you would accept that? Is that right or does R&R not speak for you? You say it is all about heritage so here is your chance.<br /><br />"We would do the same with or without the casino revenue."<br /><br />ThanksAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30437869172701540102013-05-06T00:41:38.993-04:002013-05-06T00:41:38.993-04:00White Buffalo,
Reinstatement must be ordered by th...White Buffalo,<br />Reinstatement must be ordered by the Enrollment Committee. In Pala the Executive Committee and Enrollment Committee are one and the same. The Executive Committee is dominated by Robert Smith. If he ordered it, it would happen very quickly. But he is the one who ordered disenrollment, so he will never order reinstatement unless he is forced to. That has been the obstacle all along.<br /><br />Why did he order disenrollment? Because we questioned his management of the tribe and its finances. He will not allow anyone to challenge his power. <br /><br />We tried to prevent Vice-Chairman Leroy Miranda from running for re-election because he plead guilty to criminal charges for soliciting sex with an undercover police officer while dressed as a woman at an adult bookstore. Robert Smith quashed our petition and then began the disenrollments. <br /><br />Robert Smith got his lawyers to write an amendment to the Pala Constitution that would give him power over enrollment. He ordered the Tribal Secretary to withdraw the tribe from the So-Cal Inter-Tribal Courts. He removed the power of decision on appeal from the BIA. He stole authority from the General Council, set up the Executive Committee as the Tribal Court, pushed though approval of the Tribe's Constitution without submitting it to ratification by the General Council, covered up the criminal actions of Leroy Miranda, solicited Shasta Gaughen (the tribe's Environmental Director) to lie on her doctoral dissertation about the birth certificate of Margarita Brittain, illegally disenrolled legitimate members of the tribe, and the list goes on and on.<br /><br />We have to stop him before he completely destroys the Tribe. If you wonder why we sued him and the other members of the Pala EC, then this is the best reason. The EC says we are greedy and that all we want is the money, but we are trying to save the tribe from destruction. <br /><br />We would do the same with or without the casino revenue. I respect your words of wisdom and integrity. The future of our people depends on removing the greedy liars from office and renewing our customs and traditions. As you say, the Indian way has always been a generous spirit, acceptance of one another, and an easy going tolerance. This will return once we remove the infection.Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-54469256806310640262013-05-05T18:58:11.132-04:002013-05-05T18:58:11.132-04:00I feel the pain of the Pala disenrolled. It is cle...I feel the pain of the Pala disenrolled. It is clear that from what I have read that; the EC acted outside of the law of the Pala tribe on the order of the tribal chief and others who represent him, so their action was an individual choice to follow the direction of the tribal chief. I get that. I also understand that reinstatement is a tribal function that is part of the governmental process that is protected by sovereignty, so I get the court judgment. The remedy then is to have the whole tribe, or general membership sanction those who are involved through the legal process allowed by the tribes constitution and by-laws. I do not know those rules/laws, so I could not say how this would be done, but I do know it will take the will of the people to accomplish this. <br /><br />At Pechanga there is no unity or brotherhood anymore we are a family divided. The people have spoken at Pechanga, and what they say is that money is more important than spirit, pride, or fear of retribution takes their honor. Looking our for each other was an Indian tradition, and Indian community meant that you accepted all who would live among you. <br /><br />If the people of Pechanga actually practiced the traditions that they say they believe and wish to preserve then those corrupt tribal leaders would have been replaced long ago. Now their Indian-ness is just for show for the outside world, and their Pow Wow's an empty hollow gourd without anything in it, no meaning or life just a ritual without spirit. <br /><br />I do not seek the money from the casino. If I had my way the money from the casino would not be dispersed through per-capita, it would be use to better the tribe by providing to all Indians who seek help, fixing roads and setting up members in real business adventures that they would choose to pursue, or send our kids to the best schools. The idea that a person work for their money would not be lost on our young. There are tribes back east who are doing this. We do not hear much from them or their success because they quietly go about their business. I guess I talk too much too. It reminds me of tribal meeting when I was speaking and Marcy got so mad at me because I would not sit down that he threatened to have security escort me from the meeting.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-47652279989120500152013-05-05T02:27:20.769-04:002013-05-05T02:27:20.769-04:00White Buffalo,
We are brothers in our desire to re...White Buffalo,<br />We are brothers in our desire to reverse the disenrollments that were not sanctioned by our Tribes at large. I am Pechanga Indian also through my Grandfather, and I feel great sadness and disgust over the evil that has been brought to our peoples.<br /><br />I probably say too much about our case, and so will let the sleeping dog lie. Really though the idea of suing the Pala EC as individuals because they were the ones who harmed us makes sense. Reinstatement would be a remedy to the harm caused. Financial damages were not specifically sought.<br /><br />You say that these people do not have the power to reinstate. That may not be the case. They certainly had the power to disenroll. We know they will not pursue action against themselves. It is our hope that the General Council of Pala will see the lies and deceit propagated by the Pala EC. That is the reason for the Open Letter.<br /><br />It is best now for us to focus on the upcoming appeal. We are working hard to establish the authority and the sanction of the General Council. How can Tribal Officers claim to represent the Tribe when they refuse to put the matter on the agenda of the General Council meeting so the Tribe can voice its consensus?<br /><br />There is also the matter of compromising democracy by stealing power away from the Tribe and concentrating it in the hands of the Pala EC. The named themselves the Enrollment Committee and the Tribal Court. This was designed to limit the power of the General Council and to deny due process to those who have been disenrolled.<br /><br />These machinations prove that the intentions of the Pala EC are entirely antithetical to the Constitution that they have sworn to uphold. It is the path to tyranny they follow and an agenda of destruction for the rights and freedoms of the people.Reinstatement_Restitutionhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02930007890367591643noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-9052243506561487542013-05-04T22:25:12.086-04:002013-05-04T22:25:12.086-04:00It is apparent that you seek to achieve a ruling t...It is apparent that you seek to achieve a ruling that gives monetary damages and a reversal of disenrollment in the form of reinstatement. It sounds like the problem arises with the reinstatement. If you are suing the individual then it does not seem logical that you should ask for reinstatement. I say this because as an individual these people do not have the power to reinstate in an individual capacity, that is it takes an action of the committee as a whole or general council majority vote to disenroll or reinstate, so the individual(s) who acted illegally according to tribal law and the BIA finding would have to be sanctioned by the tribe who's laws they violated. We know that you were wronged by individuals who run the tribal government and EC, and we also know that they will not pursue action against themselves. Their use of sovereignty bastardises the meaning of the intent of sovereignty. We Apis understand all to well what you are going through. It may appear that we have given up, but that is not the case we are still out there fighting for our heritage as our ancestors would expect us to. Do not give up hope and find a way to come together as a people and family, White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-17371336038279660792013-05-04T20:08:31.626-04:002013-05-04T20:08:31.626-04:00To 11:15am and R&R:
I come across very abrupt...To 11:15am and R&R:<br /><br />I come across very abrupt and confrontational but let me make one thing very clear. I am NOT from the EC or even associated with them. In fact, I am not even Native American. So based upon that you can just dismiss my points above but I am playing the role of devils advocate. My job is to shoot holes in your legal approach so you look further and win what is rightfully yours.<br /><br />Call me the enemy if you chose but we all have the same goal in mind.<br /><br />I can't share more than that at this time.<br /><br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com