tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post5246269280852507213..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: NDNnews Tamra Defends Her Site from Pechanga AttacksOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2869926500100169652008-07-29T18:58:00.000-04:002008-07-29T18:58:00.000-04:00Re "there's no question, they go to Indianz.com an...Re "there's no question, they go to Indianz.com and Indian Country Today": They go to Indianz.com, Indian Country Today, and PECHANGA.net and not to NDNnews or this blog, you mean. For news about Indian gaming and disenrollment issues, I believe they go to PECHANGA.net first.<BR/><BR/>Re "Rob, if you where not in that DISENROLLMENT COMMITTEE hearing and you did not see the evidence they presented in that hearing, then you don't know what you are taking about": Are you people incapable of reading plain English? I said I <I>hoped</I> you were more civil than you are in this blog. That isn't a statement of fact, it's a wish. I don't have to know what transpired in the hearings to express a hope about how you acted.<BR/><BR/>As for the golf course, I've seen it. Pechanga did take steps to preserve the site's natural and cultural resources while developing the course. More people can experience the natural and cultural resources than they could when the site was wilderness.<BR/><BR/>More to the point, I haven't seen any evidence that the land taken into trust was the same parcel of land made into the golf course. Mark Macarro's testimony in Congress doesn't address this point. So show me the evidence and make sure it's unequivocal.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-86593748234262816792008-06-01T01:41:00.000-04:002008-06-01T01:41:00.000-04:00I think Rob may be feeling a little picked on so h...I think Rob may be feeling a little picked on so he lashes out at us.<BR/><BR/>He, to his credit on his blog, was trying to get more balanced reporting on the disenrollment issue but what he doesn't seem to see is that there really is no credible evidence for the other side of the issue, the pro disenrollment side.<BR/><BR/>So far, the only responses in favor of disenrollment has been the "fluff" press releases by the tribe spouting sovereignty and his pal Victor R's rants against Indian women who brought up some good points, plus an occasional pro disenrollment poster popping in to take cheap shots at us.<BR/><BR/>I, like Rob, would welcome any intelligent argument against our position but unlike Rob I don't expect to get someone to challenge us on the facts as I feel we can refute any such arguments and deep down our opponents know it.<BR/><BR/>Rob, do you realize that in every instance when we have tried to get redress for our grivences in outside courts that the judges have all said our cases have merit but so far they lack jurisdiction to do anything about it and that the pro disenrollment side's only so called "argument" has been parroting the sovereignty line.<BR/><BR/>I was hoping, when I saw that Victor R had responded to an E mail he received against what has happened to us, that he was going to make some sort of argument in support of the tribe's actions but all we got was his profanity.<BR/><BR/>I think that in itself says a lot and I am still waiting for someone to challenge us on the facts but I don't see it happening anytime soon.<BR/><BR/>But the disenrollment issue is not the only issue where Pechanga has done the wrong thing.<BR/><BR/>They got the land that the golf course is now on put into the trust by telling the federal government that they were not going to do any development on that property, that they wanted to keep it in its natural state to protect culturally significant reources.<BR/><BR/>As I said in another post, what cultural resources, golf?<BR/><BR/>Reportedly, tribal chairman Mark Macarro gave a congressional committee just such assurances of no development of any kind.<BR/><BR/>http://www.pe.com/localnews/inland/stories/PE_News_Local_D_casino24.3135a70.html<BR/><BR/>The above link is to a Press Enterprise story about the Soboba tribe's plans to annex land in the San Jacinto area. <BR/><BR/>A side issue in the story is how other tribes, in this case Pechanga, have said one thing to get land into trust and than did another once they got the land.<BR/><BR/>Note Pechanga general council John Macarro's, Mark's brother, response below about being able to do anything they want with the land once it is put into trust.<BR/><BR/>Pechanga's General Counsel John Macarro, wrote, "Once the land is placed in trust, a tribe has complete zoning and planning authority over it and can change land uses just as a county or city can change or update its general plan or zoning designations."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-44313685611484521982008-05-31T16:54:00.000-04:002008-05-31T16:54:00.000-04:00Rob, if you where not in that DISENROLLMENT COMMIT...Rob, if you where not in that DISENROLLMENT COMMITTEE hearing and you did not see the evidence they presented in that hearing, then you don't know what you are taking about and you are just blowing smoke and hearsay from you'r boss. It seems to me that you are kissing Victor Rocha's ass by talking shit about the Ex tribal members - who by the way had all the proof as to who they are - real Temecula Indians FROM THE PECHANGA TRIBE. So all you are doing is, quoting lies and protecting your meal ticket.Creeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09974839755652435072noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-42866613245860740012008-05-31T13:08:00.000-04:002008-05-31T13:08:00.000-04:00Rob sure is pomous.His statement about the actions...Rob sure is pomous.<BR/>His statement about the actions of the Hunters in our case is just a real smart guy, that has things all figured out. We get it. You have a top notch site that gets tons of hits. Try not to hurt yourself patting your own back. He doesn't even get the issue here coruption & greed. Or he is soo smart that he knows the only argument that holds water is how great his site is. Cheer to you rob.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-5123960417989357002008-05-31T11:19:00.000-04:002008-05-31T11:19:00.000-04:00We were civil, so much so, that Pechanga Tribal Co...We were civil, so much so, that Pechanga Tribal Council members WEPT with sorrow at what they did to us.<BR/><BR/>So much so that the SECURITY GUARDS who were there to protect the Tribal Council from us, WEPT and HUGGED us as we left.<BR/><BR/>SO MUCH so, that Butch Murphy could not look us in the eyes in SHAME because of what he was masterminding.<BR/><BR/>So much so, that even Mark Calac got an understanding of the gravity of the situation.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-79472716700557517132008-05-31T11:17:00.000-04:002008-05-31T11:17:00.000-04:00No, there's no question, they go to Indianz.com an...No, there's no question, they go to Indianz.com and Indian Country Today.<BR/><BR/>How about helping some Indians out and putting a link to my blog on your blog? Send some of your readers over to see if they are interested?<BR/><BR/>We are not a broadbrushed blog, mainly focused on the despicable acts that Pechanga did to their own people, as well as other tribes like Picayune, Redding, Enterprise.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-11871556781327128762008-05-30T19:58:00.000-04:002008-05-30T19:58:00.000-04:00It's cute how you use words like "lackey" while co...It's cute how you use words like "lackey" while complaining about how much you've been insulted. Hypocritical much?<BR/><BR/>I hope you were more civil in your hearings before the Pechanga membership committee. If you ranted the way you do in this blog, I can imagine why you lost your case.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-40394533986754709022008-05-30T19:30:00.000-04:002008-05-30T19:30:00.000-04:00It would be helpful if Tamra told us how many hits...It would be helpful if Tamra told us how many hits NDNnews.com gets per day. Then we could discuss which sites Indian country relies on for its news.<BR/><BR/>I'll get things started. Here the rankings of the most popular websites from Alexa.com:<BR/><BR/>Yahoo.com: 1.<BR/>NYTimes.com: 102.<BR/>MSNBC.com: 2,305.<BR/>Indian Country Today: 221,841.<BR/>Indianz.com: 259,464.<BR/>BlueCornComics.com: 324,105.<BR/>PECHANGA.net: 395,325.<BR/>BSNorrell.blogspot.com: 1,511,083.<BR/>NativeNewsOnline.org: 3,083,555.<BR/>IndianCountryNews.com: 4,307,680.<BR/>NDNnews.com: 4,851,800.<BR/>OriginalPechanga.blogspot.com: 9,239,654.<BR/><BR/>I hope you're happy with these results, because I sure am. The only thing that would make me happier would be to see BlueCornComics.com and PECHANGA.net ranked higher than Indian Country Today and Indianz.com. But we all need goals to strive for.<BR/><BR/>Any questions about where most Indians go for information?Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-53544887354477889392008-05-30T18:53:00.000-04:002008-05-30T18:53:00.000-04:00NDNnews.com: 1-2 Native stories per day.PECHANGA....NDNnews.com: 1-2 Native stories per day.<BR/><BR/>PECHANGA.net: 75-100 Native stories per day. That includes all the articles on Caledonia, the Yankton hog farm, the Longest Walk II, and other urgent Native issues. Multiple links on Native land, water, energy, environment, government, legal issues, crime, health, education, history, culture, and arts every day. Which may explain why the site gets 50,000-70,000 hits per day.<BR/><BR/>Nuff' said.Robhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01478763837213733775noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-37446026256944817332008-05-30T11:41:00.000-04:002008-05-30T11:41:00.000-04:00Mr. V’s statements give further proof that money c...Mr. V’s statements give further proof that money can not buy class, but it dose prove that even with it some will always be an; accentually you get the point he wont and never will. The cards of the CPP’s house are starting to fall to the floor. Remember the little ant who pushed over the rubber tree plantWhite Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-81152086420223882262008-05-30T11:24:00.000-04:002008-05-30T11:24:00.000-04:00NDNnews is not just a blog, it's a newsletter.Plea...NDNnews is not just a blog, it's a newsletter.<BR/><BR/>Please sign up for it to keep informed.OPechangahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30310790602584579062008-05-30T02:23:00.000-04:002008-05-30T02:23:00.000-04:00Tamra....Been reading NDN NEWS for the past 45 min...Tamra....Been reading NDN NEWS for the past 45 minutes...very good blog...I'VE READ NEWS I NEVER SAH in Pechanga.net, good reading,stories are well written, learned some new things...thanks.stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-12483097094080651752008-05-30T02:09:00.000-04:002008-05-30T02:09:00.000-04:00Oh ya,We aint goin no where!So get over it.Oh ya,<BR/><BR/>We aint goin no where!<BR/><BR/>So get over it.t'eetilawuncha!https://www.blogger.com/profile/03596680139670039353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-75619183275680727482008-05-30T02:07:00.000-04:002008-05-30T02:07:00.000-04:00I've noticed that Marc has to try and post the onl...I've noticed that Marc has to try and post the only simi-intelligent comments from the CPP. Victor, along with the rest of apple pie indian wanna b's in the CPP can't say more than one or two words. Blah, Blah, Blah!t'eetilawuncha!https://www.blogger.com/profile/03596680139670039353noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-65381780316703758472008-05-30T01:38:00.000-04:002008-05-30T01:38:00.000-04:00Bravo Tamra you are quite a Lady,your point of vie...Bravo Tamra you are quite a Lady,your point of views are smart, intelligent and informativly written without being crude and profane. Victor Rocha could learn a lesson from you.stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.com