tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post5080182689451364374..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Loss of Tribal Citizenship is WRONG and OFFENSIVEOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger11125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-71636063684994318962012-03-15T10:44:01.200-04:002012-03-15T10:44:01.200-04:00Maybe because since the Tosabols have so much land...Maybe because since the Tosabols have so much land that is legitimately should be theirs, that they don't want them in because there are squatters that are on the Tosabols' land?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22766912508659848842012-03-15T07:55:28.170-04:002012-03-15T07:55:28.170-04:00ANOTHERVEIW May also say that the Tosobal /munoa/R...ANOTHERVEIW May also say that the Tosobal /munoa/Rios ursua /aguirre were never interested in the pechanga people but as we know tosobal were at one time LARGEST LANDOWNERS OF PECHANGA FROM 1700S BEFORE PECHANGA WAS RENAMED but tosobol has been Banished from their land for trying to have what is rightfully theirs MANY yEARs of asking to build on the land only to be refused and turned away TOSOBAL has tried to be home and BIRTHRIGHT ONLY TO BE TURNED AWAY BEING SHUNNED ILLEGAL MORITORIUM HAS BEEN IN FORCE SINCE 1995 ALTHOUGH THERE IS ENROLLMENT EVERY YEAR CHILDREN OF MEMBERS. DESCENDENTS AND ALLOTEES FROM 8 GENERATIONS R COMPLETELY UNREGOGNIZED THE PECHANGA R DESTROYING THEIR OWN BLOOD.WHAT SAY YOU WE MUST BRING SANCTIONSAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-37545743078035333492012-03-15T04:47:13.042-04:002012-03-15T04:47:13.042-04:00Go for it "Cuz," I'm with you. I lik...Go for it "Cuz," I'm with you. I like to take a shot, every so often, against that S.O.B.... "Myself!"smokeybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-1500740867563009102012-03-14T12:13:23.615-04:002012-03-14T12:13:23.615-04:00Another point of fact that gets twisted is the cla...Another point of fact that gets twisted is the claim by the tribe that we Manuela Miranda decedents had our day in court, and that the courts ruled that we have no claim to membership. Well this is false, for the merits of our claim/argument were never heard by any court. The fact that even the supreme court would not listen to our case is evident that there has never been an impartial hearing of our claim against the ruling body of Pechanga by an independent body proves that there are still questions that must be answered and allegations of bias and extreme prejudice was used against our family. One last tidbit, history has written that the Temecula Band of Mission Indians who are sometimes called Pechanga once lived on the property of Manuela Miranda grandfathers land Pablo Apis the leader of the Temecula Indians. This was once written in the history of the people now if you go to the official website you will find no mention of this fact. Why is this so? I did not know that it is OK to rewrite history. Even the casino sits on a portion of my family’s land. I have read and heard on TV that the Pechanga people have been in this land for more than 10,000 years, so why does the tribe deny/hide the true history of our people? Answer me this "AnotherVeiw" "Potato"White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-1021236623663589552012-03-14T10:09:14.583-04:002012-03-14T10:09:14.583-04:00Smokeybear, I like to refute what Anotherview says...Smokeybear, I like to refute what Anotherview says before he says it because if he doesn't take the time to read all of the comments and he says what he usually says anyway, he really looks stupid when he states his nonsense.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-42498714523409886662012-03-14T10:04:20.237-04:002012-03-14T10:04:20.237-04:00I think that, that "Dribble Master"...A....I think that, that "Dribble Master"...A.K.A..."Anotherview," is trying to "Recover From" his last "Beat Down." His references to "Non-Indian," when refering to "Legal Native American Indians," at "Pechanga," that were "Disenrolled," didn't wash. He "Couldn't Sell It!"... "Lies" are just that: "LIES!" His attempt to "Dispell the Truth" is what took him down, and made him the "Fool" that he is. You can "Ignore The Truth," but you can't "Change It," no matter how you try to word it. And "That" is what "Anotherview" tried to do: "Change the Truth." You "Pompous A.., It can't be done. But, then, "You Found That Out!" We can "Prove Who We Are," and, again, you can't "Dispute That!"smokeybearnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-26676240903082955312012-03-13T23:52:36.099-04:002012-03-13T23:52:36.099-04:00Come on Anotherview, tells again how we got due pr...Come on Anotherview, tells again how we got due process! Not!'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-91949491743008247802012-03-13T14:39:27.798-04:002012-03-13T14:39:27.798-04:00how about the tribal council was in DC last week a...how about the tribal council was in DC last week asking for $300 Million dollars to build a hospital on tribal lands. A hospital I'm sure they will try to block true natives from using.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2537685777048797652012-03-13T13:46:22.484-04:002012-03-13T13:46:22.484-04:00The Temecula Band of Luiseno Mission Indians, some...The Temecula Band of Luiseno Mission Indians, sometimes referred to as the Pechanga Band of Mission Indians (title from the preamble in the Band's constitution and bylaws) states under Article V from its constitution and bylaws the following:<br /><br />"IT SHALL BE THE DUTY OF ALL ELECTED OFFICIALS OF THE BAND TO UPHOLD AND ENFORCE THE CONSTITUTION, BYLAWS, AND ORDINANCES OF THE TEMECULA BAND OF LUISENO MISSION INDIANS; AND, ALSO TO UPHOLD THE INDIVIDUAL RIGHTS OF EACH MEMBER WITHOUT MALICE OR PREJUDICE."<br /><br />So allowing enrollment committee members Ruth Masiel and Irhene Scearce to rule on a case where their brother Raymond Basquez Sr and other of their relatives were witnesses against the Hunters of Pechanga in their disenrollment case violated the equal protection clause in the Band's constitution and bylaws under Article V.<br /><br />Also, Hunter family member Olivia Walls had filed disenrollment challanges against Masiel's Scearce's, and Basquez's tribal and their whole family line's membership so this is another reason Under Aritcle V why Scearce and Masiel should have been recused from the Hunter family case. If they had been recused, the Hunters would not have been disenrolled. <br /><br />Reasonable people can see that it was payback for a Hunter challenging their family's tribal membership.<br /><br />SO WHERE IS THE DUE PROCESS?<br /><br />Also, in July 2005 the tribe had voted to outlaw disenrollment so the disenrollment procedures to move against didn't even exist as a part of tribal law as of the justification date of the petition in June 2005.<br /><br />So the tribal council violated a duly passed tribal law when they allowed the Hunters to be disenrolled in March 2006 and by doing so they violated the Band's constitution under Article V by not upholding and enforcing an ordinance of the Band.<br /><br />But if a tribe doesn't obey its own rules, who can make them do so?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-35373444108195135182012-03-13T13:37:17.796-04:002012-03-13T13:37:17.796-04:00"ANOTHER VIEW" uses smoke and mirrors to..."ANOTHER VIEW" uses smoke and mirrors to get his jaded hateful view to point. I think someone broke all his mirrors and turned up heat on the fire so there is less smoke.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-33112333530494084882012-03-13T13:07:01.310-04:002012-03-13T13:07:01.310-04:00A tribal member who usually calls himself Anotherv...A tribal member who usually calls himself Anotherview may come here and say that the disenrolled from Pechanga got due process despite the fact that the same people who were the deciding votes on the enrollment committee who decided, for example, that the Hunter family was kicked out of their tribe, were very close relatives of witnesses against the family and who should have been recused from ruling on their case because of conflict of interest which violated the equal protection clause in the tribe's own constitution that forbids malice or prejudice against tribal members but they were allowed to rule on the Hunter family case anyway.<br /><br />The tribal member will also likely say that the facts were not on the disenrolled's side that they were not descendants of an original tribal member, the reason the Hunters were kicked out of their tribe, even though tribal elders from the historical period of the late 1800's, when the Pechanga reservation was created testified during the probate for the Hunters land allotment in 1915 and prior to the first written enrollment of 1979 who verified that Hunter family matriarch Paulina Hunter was indeed an original tribal member. Tribal elder Antonio Ashman, called a vaunted (much praised) elder on the tribe's own official Website, for example, said in a legal notarized statement when he was asked if he remembered Paulina Hunter as a member of the band, "yes, I knew her as such" which is backed up by the fact that she was on every reservation original census record prior to her death in 1899.<br /><br />The only so called evidence against the Hunters were some tribal elders alive now who were the close relatives of the deciding votes on the enrollment committee who said the Hunters never belonged which was contradicted by other current tribal elders not with a conflict of interest who said they have always considered the Hunters true tribal members.<br /><br />Anotherview will also likely say, if he comments here, that the BIA never tracked Paulina Hunter, who a biased slim majority on the enrollment committee claimed wasn't an original tribal member so in effect they kicked her out so all of her descendants are now out, as a Pechanga Indian but Hunter family members have Certificate of Indian Blood Degree (CDIB) cards from the BIA that say they are Pechanga Indians.<br /><br />Also, Hunter family members who have had loved ones pass away whose probate went through after their disenrollment have official Dept. of Interior documentation that identifies their deceased family members as Mission Indians, Pechanga Band.<br /><br />So we have documentation and all Anotherview, if he shows up here, is him stating we are not Pechanga and that the facts were not on our side with no facts to back up what he is saying.<br /><br />Another major piece of evidence that says we are Pechanga is the fact that during the 1915 probate hearings tribal elder Dolores Tortuga said when she was asked, "did you know or were you acquainted with the DECEASED PECHANGA INDIAN ALLOTTEE Paulina Hunter during her lifetime?" Tortuga answered, "yes I knew her as a neighbor when WE PECHANGA INDIANS lived at the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California."<br /><br />Anotherview will, if he shows up here, twist Tortuga's testimony to say that she was merely saying Paulina Hunter was her neighbor but it is clear that the questioner in the probate hearing was referring to Paulina Hunter as a "Pechanga Indian allottee" and that Tortuga was including her in the inclusive "we Pechanga Indians." <br /><br />So Anotherview, if you comment here, I have already answered your usual unsubstantiated claims against our tribal membership so come up with something new this time.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.com