tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post4849421173188910072..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Santa Ysabel Band OUSTS Johnny Hernandez; He Refuses to Relinquish PowerOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger35125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-30474418690911571262010-12-06T16:04:55.829-05:002010-12-06T16:04:55.829-05:00Anonymus above 3.45 pm
I think you got that wrong...Anonymus above 3.45 pm<br /><br />I think you got that wrong, the poster is not a tribal member, by the way, just because someone speaks German does'nt make him a Nazi. <br />The sentence structure of the German language is not quite right, so I guess it is written by a student or a teacher, a good try though.stand your groundhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18166643468060304659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-81558630209032346332010-12-05T18:45:04.664-05:002010-12-05T18:45:04.664-05:00sounds like we have nazi`s in the tribe!
, dose`nt...sounds like we have nazi`s in the tribe!<br />, dose`nt surprize me at allAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-50053024889341497462010-11-22T19:26:41.411-05:002010-11-22T19:26:41.411-05:00Anonymous posted
Those pigs will burn in hell!
...Anonymous posted<br /><br />Those pigs will burn in hell!<br /><br /><br />They will ask for God to forgive them for many years to the rape, but it is too late-the will burn in hell<br /><br />The gates of hell open for them soon!<br /><br />I am the Colt in your stable<br /><br />I'm what Cain was AbelWhite Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-29908572180431604712010-11-22T16:52:15.154-05:002010-11-22T16:52:15.154-05:00I am sorry that the tribe treated an elder such as...I am sorry that the tribe treated an elder such as Ruben they way they did. I hope you get some fairness in your quest.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-89083035635681876372010-11-22T12:39:23.537-05:002010-11-22T12:39:23.537-05:00I wonder if the family will post info or article?I wonder if the family will post info or article?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-35961813260232898752010-11-22T00:24:37.242-05:002010-11-22T00:24:37.242-05:00we lost ruben aguirrewe lost ruben aguirreAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-51110443552750486442010-11-21T23:14:28.935-05:002010-11-21T23:14:28.935-05:00Ich bin der Colt in Ihrem Stall,
Ich bin, was Kai...Ich bin der Colt in Ihrem Stall,<br /><br />Ich bin, was Kain Abel war,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-36608869026128132352010-11-21T20:47:41.211-05:002010-11-21T20:47:41.211-05:00Die Tore der Hölle öffnen sich für sie bald!Die Tore der Hölle öffnen sich für sie bald!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-66684119205400268972010-11-21T20:31:48.506-05:002010-11-21T20:31:48.506-05:00Sie werden um den Gott bitten, um ihnen viele Jahr...Sie werden um den Gott bitten, um ihnen viele Jahre lang der Vergewaltigung zu verzeihen, aber es wird zu spät der Wille-Brandwunde in der Hölle sein!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-12443921170048560962010-11-21T20:26:42.470-05:002010-11-21T20:26:42.470-05:00Jene Schweine werden in der Hölle brennen!Jene Schweine werden in der Hölle brennen!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84458800926074276512010-11-21T16:45:08.442-05:002010-11-21T16:45:08.442-05:00We are trying to get on with our lives but that do...We are trying to get on with our lives but that doesn't mean that we should ever abandon our cause.<br /><br />Can anyone honestly claim, other than someone like the tribal hack who wants to run us into the ground anyway and who doesn't care anything about us, that the facts are not on our side and that our rights were not violated?<br /><br />The vast majority of evidence all the way down the line was in our favor<br /><br />Ironically though there was one piece of evidence that was submitted in our case that could have been hard to explain but the enrollment committee didn't seem to notice it.<br /><br />Which shows they really didn't examine the evidence at all but just made the decision that was already decided against us going in because if they really had looked at everything, they would have brought this issue up but they didn't.<br /><br />But even so other evidence far outweighed this one item.<br /><br />By the way, it isn't up to me to point out what this evidence was.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-41774648181353472252010-11-21T16:11:13.032-05:002010-11-21T16:11:13.032-05:00Nothings going to happen aamokat,all we will hear ...Nothings going to happen aamokat,all we will hear is stories from Mr.Hay, are latest public speaker who<br /><br />1.trashes people and talks about nobody protesting or about running over protestors (true nobody protesting).<br /><br />2.ARE (COSMIC POET)which makes good points about negative spins on stories ,because nobodys protesting ,the public does not care about smack talk on a website?<br /><br /><br />3.Maybe there should be positive stories about people going on with their lives ,acting career's ,writing books ,websites, opening business, etc......<br /><br />4.Who wants to listen to Mr Hay.Sounds to me like someone is trying to get a negitive spin of this article with Mr.Hay ,,,,,clint eastwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-23350748006119631782010-11-21T15:22:53.197-05:002010-11-21T15:22:53.197-05:00I am sorry to hear about your loss Tosabol Clan. ...I am sorry to hear about your loss Tosabol Clan. Who passed away? My prayers go out to your family.<br /><br />I hope the moratorium people take with them to the enrollment committee a copy of the Band's constitution and bylaws and point out that under Article VIII, "the general membership is the final authority in all matters of government and business of the Band except as stipulated in these bylaws."<br /><br />Well it is stipulated under Article II that "the enrollment committee shall open the enrollment the first month of each year."<br /><br />So on that basis the moratorium should be overturned.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-12494003228065904382010-11-21T15:13:09.277-05:002010-11-21T15:13:09.277-05:00Oh your the wetback guy? its "hey"not ha...Oh your the wetback guy? its "hey"not hay for horses,and ya,maybe I am fake, perfect for the tribe right?<br /><br />Did you know the 44 magnum is the most powerful handgun in whole world?<br /><br />Did you wanna talk smack to me like you did on that other article to some other people? get busy and do it boy?clint eastwoodnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-40128627400051586722010-11-21T13:34:23.944-05:002010-11-21T13:34:23.944-05:00Hay Clint Eastwood does that mean you are a white ...Hay Clint Eastwood does that mean you are a white man or just a want to be so what if moratorium people want to get together sounds to me you might be scared but of what the truth that moratorium people belong and maybe your family does notAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-12179711562621697282010-11-21T00:44:50.709-05:002010-11-21T00:44:50.709-05:00Go moratorium people!!!!!!!!
Go tosobols!!!!!!!!...Go moratorium people!!!!!!!!<br /><br />Go tosobols!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!go polyqwalisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-60062903878463283162010-11-21T00:34:15.176-05:002010-11-21T00:34:15.176-05:00Yes Tribal Hack Has a way of spouting out Fake Ind...Yes Tribal Hack Has a way of spouting out Fake Indian reason with no facts as always trying to say that disenrolleed are negitive well what you think keeping TRUE DESENDENT ALLOTTEES FROM HERITAGE BY BANISHMENT ORDERED BY YOUR CORRUPT MARK MACCARO RUN TRIBAL COUNCIL we are not stupid if PECHANGA BANISHES 7 GENERATION TEMECULA INDIAN ALLOTTEES TO KEEP THIER LAND[ HI BEN !NEWLY ELECTED TO TRIBAL COUNCIL]why would you tribal hack think anyone on this blog would believe your BULLSHIT,WE HAVE AUDIO TAPED EVIDENCE THIS OCCURED THE TOSABOL CLAN HAS LOST ONE OF OUR ELDERS A FEW WEEKS AGO HE WAS ONE OF FAMILY BANISHED HE WAS 74 HE WAS FIGHTING FOR HIS HERITAGE AND LAND NOW HE IS RESTING NEVER TO HAVE REALIZED HIS DREAM.HIS PASSING HAS RENEWED THE WARRIOR WITHEN US -- MEET AT THE RESERVATION IN JANUARY LET US UNITE NOW TAKE BACK WHAT IS OURS ATTENTION BIA ,DEPARTMENT OF INTERIOR DO YOUR DAM JOB AMMEND ENFORCEMENT OF THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT STOP THIS RAPING OF INDIAN HERITAGE,CULTURE POLYSQWALISAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-36604344531326224192010-11-20T23:54:07.223-05:002010-11-20T23:54:07.223-05:00"We didn't find out we were not included ...<i> "We didn't find out we were not included in the new law until a letter from the tribal council dated March 14, 2006, just two days before we were disenrolled, obviously timed so they we could not respond to the ruling. </i>"<br /><br />During the vote On July 17, 2005 when the general membership voted to end disenrollment. It was asked if the Hunters would be covered in the removal of the law. Where upon the Chairman Mark M. stated that ALL MEANS ALL. So when the General Membership voted to remove the disenrollment procedure, they did so with the idea that the Hunters would be allowed to remain in the Tribe. The General Membership was voting to keep the Hunters in the Tribe, and not disenroll them, as this is what they were informed would happen if the vote passed (which it did by a HUGE margin).Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74458678526234944692010-11-20T23:04:57.131-05:002010-11-20T23:04:57.131-05:00One last post here on our disenrollment case:
On ...One last post here on our disenrollment case:<br /><br />On July 17, 2005 the general membership of the Pechanga tribe voted to end disenrollment as a part of law, that everyone who was a tribal member as of the justification date of the proposed law of June 19, 2005, would remain a tribal member.<br /><br />The new law ended the disenrollment procedures as a part of tribal law so they were not even in existance when we the Hunters were disenrolled on March 16, 2006.<br /><br />We didn't find out we were not included in the new law until a letter from the tribal council dated March 14, 2006, just two days before we were disenrolled, obviously timed so they we could not respond to the ruling.<br /><br />I can also take apart the councils letter but I am growing weary.<br /><br />See, I told you the case in our favor is overwhelming and there is so much that supports us I could go on an on.<br /><br />So gentle readers do you believe, the tribal hack who says we didn't prove our case and we got due process who just posts general statments, or us who post facts?<br /><br />I know my posts on this thread are getting a little long but I hope take the time to read them all.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-53520392783177454852010-11-20T22:46:06.562-05:002010-11-20T22:46:06.562-05:00wait aamokat,let doctor phil answer me, let healin...wait aamokat,let doctor phil answer me, let healing begin,,,,,how do us moratorium people get the sun to shine on us we don't want to be the victims of cosmic injustice!needs sun on facenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-62554958857559431952010-11-20T22:44:14.129-05:002010-11-20T22:44:14.129-05:00Actually there is so much evidence in our favor th...Actually there is so much evidence in our favor that it is impossible to limit it to one or even two or more posts.<br /><br />So how wss the process fair when other elders not from the CPP faction of the tribe, who the biased slight majority on the enrollment committee and their family and friends who submitted statements were from, submitted statements in our favor that directly contradicted those against us and how were the statements against us more credible than people like the late Norman Pico Sr and Marie Russell who were in favor of us?<br /><br />Also the enrollment committee hired Dr. John Johnson of the museum of Natural History who said that according to surviving historical documents that were are legitimate tribal members. <br /><br />Remember the committee hired him not us and then chose to ignore his findings.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-73130357276308495032010-11-20T22:23:40.471-05:002010-11-20T22:23:40.471-05:00How did we not prove our case when the biased enro...How did we not prove our case when the biased enrollment committee simple majority, who should have been made to be recused from ruling on our cases, also ignored elders from the historical period who during the 1915 probate hearings for Paulina Hunter's land, Dolores Tortuga and Jose David Rodriguez, who verified that Paulina Hunter was their neighbor both in one of the old Temecula Indian village sites before the reservation and also on the reservation when it was created.<br /><br />Tortuga, in particular, said in response to the question, "did you know and were you acquainted with with the <b>deceased Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter</b> during her lifetime?"<br /><br />She stated in a notarized statement, "yes, I knew her as a neighbor when <b>WE PECHANGA INDIANS</b> lived on the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California."<br /><br />So what did the biased enrollment committee slight majority, who should have been made to be recused from ruling on our cases, more credible than people who lived in the historical period of the late 1800's?<br /><br />Child molestor Mr. Ibanez and also Raymond Basquez Sr, who was born over 40 year after our ancestor Paulina Hunter died but who claimed that deceased elders from previous generations, without any proof that they said what he claimed, had said that we the Hunters are not Pechanga, pure hearsay.<br /><br />In addition Mr. Basquez is the brother of two of the enrollment committee members who should have been recused from ruling on our case.<br /><br />So how again did we not prove we are legitimate tribal members and how again did we get due process?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-90077345961606473182010-11-20T22:04:05.843-05:002010-11-20T22:04:05.843-05:00How did we not prove our case when the biased enro...How did we not prove our case when the biased enrollment committee who did not give us due process took it upon themselves to state that they could ignore any piece of evidence if more credible evidence existed.<br /><br />What did they consider more credible than the notarized statement of vaunted (much praised) elder, called so on the tribe's own official Web site, Antonio Ashman who said when asked if he remembered our ancestor Paulina Hunter as a member of the (Pechanga) Band, "yes, I remember her as such."<br /><br />Well they considered Vincent Ibanez, who was serving a term in prison for molesting children, as profiled on Megan's Law, who wrote a hand written non notarized statement from jail against our tribal membership more credible than Mr. Ashman's statement in our favor.<br /><br />So if the process was fair and if we did get due process, then we would have not been disenrolled.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-62435192167619228432010-11-20T21:53:18.986-05:002010-11-20T21:53:18.986-05:00"They had their opportunity during a simple d..."They had their opportunity during a simple due process as part of a written internal tribal disenrollment procedure to present their proof of tribal membership. criteria."<br /><br />How is it due process when the sisters and aunts of people and the mother of a person who submitted or signed statements that amounted to hearsay against our tribal membership sat in judgement and ruled on our our disenrollment cases while on the enrollment committee?<br /><br />Especially since those same enrollment committee members previously had filed disenrollment charges against our family before any evidence had even been submitted against us and this first challenge of our membership was disallowed because nothing had been submitted yet so they got their family and friends to challenge our membership instead.<br /><br />Article V of the Band's constitution and bylaws forbids mailie or prejudice against tribal members by elected officials.<br /><br />So allowing those enrollment committee members to sit in judgement of us without being made to be recused in our cases violates this equal protection clause under Article V.<br /><br />We lost by one vote on the committee and there were three enrollment committee members who should have been recused and would have been if the process had been fair.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-72845134757458976632010-11-20T20:10:45.007-05:002010-11-20T20:10:45.007-05:00That also sounds like Doctor Phil,hey doctor could...That also sounds like Doctor Phil,hey doctor could you give the moratorium people some tips on how to move on with their lives.<br /><br />They need peace of mind ,and the sun to warm their faces!This black cloud keeps following them around!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com