tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post2730098440840260059..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: New Pechanga Base Roll to Include Adopted Non-Indians, EXCLUDE Real Pechanga peopleOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger61125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-7523617806935777522009-11-14T21:30:09.362-05:002009-11-14T21:30:09.362-05:00Mr. Lee, the moratorium was only supposed to last ...Mr. Lee, the moratorium was only supposed to last for one year so that the enrollment committee could catch up on the applications that were coming in, at least that is what we were told.<br /><br />But twelve years is absurd and to say it was to catch up after that first year is a lie.<br /><br />The tribe has disenrolled hundreds of tribal members in the last five, going on six years, and the tribe claimed they were correcting errors in the rolls.<br /><br />But this year when appications were found that had been submitted before the deadline for the moratorium the tribe voted not to process those applications.<br /><br />So they will kick people out supposedly because they were correcting the rolls but they won't let people in even though it also would be correcting the rolls? <br /><br />The common theme is keeping people out of the tribe.<br /><br />So how believable is it when tribal officials say it isn't about the money?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-2703187682476242112009-11-14T20:31:38.582-05:002009-11-14T20:31:38.582-05:00They don't call them pigs for nothing. OINK!!...They don't call them pigs for nothing. OINK!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-32239302419189725192009-11-05T19:21:13.445-05:002009-11-05T19:21:13.445-05:00Hi there
I am new and what a crock of crap these ...Hi there<br /><br />I am new and what a crock of crap these so called Pechanga Indians. I have to say that I am ashamed to be part of this tribe. I have on numerous occassions spoke to the cultural and enrollment departments to only get the runaround and flat out ignored. I thought the indians were honorable. I am sad for everyone facing their deplorable actions and attitudes and would love to find a way to get them to wake up and realize that they are behaving as the whites did 100 years ago. Its shameful.flowergirlhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06812768549601885020noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-46153646518715799962009-10-26T19:41:19.422-04:002009-10-26T19:41:19.422-04:00yep its all about the money, some of these so call...yep its all about the money, some of these so called indians think they will live fore ever! they need to spend some of that unearned money on a treadmillAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-41416239632957533952009-10-26T00:01:59.380-04:002009-10-26T00:01:59.380-04:00I don't resent prosperity for others, I usuall...I don't resent prosperity for others, I usually cheer them on, but if the Casino windfalls had been or were used more for nationbuilding rather than per-caps, I doubt the moratorium would have ever been nessecary. A moratorium would be understandable if the tribe was facing a resource crisis, but at 30k per-person, per- month, that is a hard argument for the tribe to make.<br />The most valuable resource for any nation is it's human resource. There appears to be a wealth of Pechanga human resource, (traditional knowledge, etc.) in the dis-enrolled and moratorium population that the tribe should incorporate if it is truly going to rebuild the nation.Allen L. Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-61357234551591090552009-10-25T23:43:29.692-04:002009-10-25T23:43:29.692-04:00I would also like to point out that Creeper, like ...I would also like to point out that Creeper, like me, is a member of the Hunter Clan but unlike me he has been stuck in the moratorium for many years and he now faces a "double wammy" of now being a member of a disenrolled clan.<br /><br />I made a promise to him and other of our relatives who were stuck in the moratorium that I would do what I could to end the moratorium.<br /><br />I know there appears there is not much I can do about it at the moment because I now have been kicked to the curb but a promise is a promise "Lieutenant Dan" and maybe sometime, sooner than later I hope, I can be a "shrimp boat captain" again.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-20506482046425972492009-10-25T22:55:58.065-04:002009-10-25T22:55:58.065-04:00White Buffalo,
we all have our bad days
to acknowl...White Buffalo,<br />we all have our bad days<br />to acknowlege that is a good thing, I have days like that and I know how you feel.<br />Mr.Allen Lee,<br />pls. don't ever stop giving us<br />your opinions, I like reading your posts.<br />I am also a direct descendant and one of the persons caught up in the Pechanga moratorium and I will never give up my rightful place in that tribe, I will fight for it as long as it takes.creeperhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14687278064782904196noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-60815840840614802502009-10-25T22:07:40.175-04:002009-10-25T22:07:40.175-04:00Thank You
I've learned that one must be a gra...Thank You<br /> I've learned that one must be a gracious receiver of a gift as well as a generous giver. Apology accepted.Allen L. Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-87794947526620914142009-10-25T21:30:58.826-04:002009-10-25T21:30:58.826-04:00Mr. Lee I apologize for my lack of respect toward ...Mr. Lee I apologize for my lack of respect toward you and your posts. Your views are what you believe and I had no right to neither misinterpret them nor state that you inferred superiority. I was having a very bad day that day and I used you and your post to for better words vent. I really mean you no harm nor do I have friends who are still in the tribe nor do I know anyone currently affiliated with those terrible/ criminal people, and last if you could see what I look like you would understand why I chose to use "White Buffalo" as a nickname. Again, I apologies to you, to the moderator, and the gentle readers of this site.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-55404542639436039482009-10-25T21:15:26.896-04:002009-10-25T21:15:26.896-04:00They sold their souls, so it is "Under the Bu...They sold their souls, so it is "Under the Buss" for him. Could be he did pissed someone off should have paid instead of play. Mark is smart uses wife and others to grease the palms of the man.White Buffalohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03418439711300071894noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-57779134703852176832009-10-25T19:59:19.366-04:002009-10-25T19:59:19.366-04:00I wonder if the cry will go out that the Feds can&...I wonder if the cry will go out that the Feds can't, because of sovereignty, do anything to these tribal leaders no matter what federal laws they may have broken?<br /><br />After all, they cry sovereignty for everything else.<br /><br />Does anyone think Mark M and company are goint to stand with their buddy Salgado?<br /><br />Or are they going to leave him twisting in the wind as they may have done something as bad or worse then he alledgedly did.<br /><br />If there are more indictments coming for some of the leaders of neighboring tribes like Pechanga, then I wonder if the paper shredders are now working overtime?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-5672463997625348432009-10-25T17:03:40.773-04:002009-10-25T17:03:40.773-04:00To most grand juries corrupt Indian leaders are li...To most grand juries corrupt Indian leaders are like peanuts. You can't stop after indicting just one!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-67818146765426187542009-10-25T15:30:39.694-04:002009-10-25T15:30:39.694-04:00dont you think Mark and his boys take way more pay...dont you think Mark and his boys take way more payoffs than the saboba leaders?...so much more money floating around at Pechanga...lets just hope they all get caught...and why doesnt the IRS check into the giy that was stealing the tips from the employees?..has anyone turned him into the IRS?>...even the tribe couldnt keep him out of trouble with that!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-25180936056390957632009-10-25T13:51:45.466-04:002009-10-25T13:51:45.466-04:00i was joking, i know ill never be enrolled, those ...i was joking, i know ill never be enrolled, those mexicans will never let any one in. may they keep getting fatter, the good lord will take care of everythingAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-91759703106688765952009-10-25T12:44:11.821-04:002009-10-25T12:44:11.821-04:00I wish, but when you concider that the Tribe refus...I wish, but when you concider that the Tribe refused to enroll even those who had proven that there enrollement papers were submitted before the moratorium says otherwise (and it is a good guess from which part of the meeting hall came the cheers).Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-55957182120427187142009-10-25T02:22:21.157-04:002009-10-25T02:22:21.157-04:00does that mean people in the moratorium with reala...does that mean people in the moratorium with realatives enrolled in the tribe will be enrolled soon?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-62829880725513470742009-10-24T13:32:40.410-04:002009-10-24T13:32:40.410-04:00http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/10/allege...http://www.insidesocal.com/sgvcrime/2009/10/alleged-corruption-on-the-rez.html<br /><br /><br />Who's next? Maybe Pechanga? Mark? maybe Butch? maybe the entire council?JaSinnernoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-9919875943387554982009-10-24T00:14:13.368-04:002009-10-24T00:14:13.368-04:00So Sabobas chief just got arrested for taking pay-...So Sabobas chief just got arrested for taking pay-offs ...when is Mark going to get his???Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-60689848719211451872009-10-22T20:42:41.198-04:002009-10-22T20:42:41.198-04:00Mr. Lee, the Tosabols not only have ancestors list...Mr. Lee, the Tosabols not only have ancestors listed on the census records from the late 1800's, their family also have allotments of land on the reservation.<br /><br />They can also show their family was at the Temecula Indian village before the eviction of the people in the 1870's.<br /><br />But that still isn't good enough for tribal membership?<br /><br />But they, unlike us now, still have blood relatives who are current tribal members.<br /><br />The Pechanga constitution and bylaws says open enrollment is the first month of each year so the moratorium that has kept them and many others out of the tribe for going on thirteen years is obscene.<br /><br />But the real kicker is they have a stronger claim on tribal membership then some of people who led the charge to keep them out of the tribe and who also led the way in kicking us out.<br /><br />But once again, if a tribe doesn't even follow their own rules, who can make them do so?<br /><br />Now to our moratorium friend, I going to let this issue drop about you being critical about us not mentioning the moratorium by saying I and others here have probably written more about the moratorium on this and other sites than almost all of the moratorium people have ever written.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-62742513560758691762009-10-22T18:44:37.484-04:002009-10-22T18:44:37.484-04:00Nice post, All south Asian organisations are liste...Nice post, All south Asian organisations are listed on the <a href="http://www.betelleaf.com" rel="nofollow">Indian Yellow Pages</a>Indian Yellow Pageshttp://www.betelleaf.comnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-82378596586110468712009-10-22T15:32:26.534-04:002009-10-22T15:32:26.534-04:00By the way, 'aamokat,
I read the "morato...By the way, 'aamokat,<br /><br />I read the "moratorium" article again and it does lay a firm foundation for the family in question, based on Jus sanguinis (by-blood) and Jus soli (by-soil)<br />relationships and history with the tribe. These are the two most common criteria for citizenship in human groups.Allen L. Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-14239626144796635852009-10-22T15:03:40.375-04:002009-10-22T15:03:40.375-04:00For the most part you are correct, Luiseno,
But w...For the most part you are correct, Luiseno,<br /> But what the federal government doesn't do at the point of your dis-enrollment is recognize you as a tribal member. If the tribe doesn't recognize you as a tribal member, the feds don't either. The Federal Recognition process sets the federal criteria for who they will recognize as a tribal member.<br />The point of that excerpt was for some to consider that perhaps the BIA should continue to recognize the dis-enrolled Pechanga as tribal members, rather than merely Indian or Pechanga Indians, based on Dr. Johnson's research. There are other criteria to determine who is an Indian or a Pechanga Indian that has nothing to do with tribal recognition.Allen L. Leenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-82228152381901439562009-10-22T14:04:13.199-04:002009-10-22T14:04:13.199-04:00Pechanga chairman Mark Macarro once said that trib...Pechanga chairman Mark Macarro once said that tribes decide who their members are, not anthropologists.<br /><br />And while Dr. John Johnson strengthens our claims even without his report we have enough evidence (which he referenced in his report on the Hunters)to show that we are indeed true Pechanga people.<br /><br /><br />By the way, I still support the moratorium people getting in the tribe and one of the reasons I wish I was still in the tribe is to be able to try to end the moratorium.<br /><br />I guess we have to say that everytime or our moratorium friend will think we forgot about them.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-81126507270599032552009-10-22T13:32:12.934-04:002009-10-22T13:32:12.934-04:00"Was going over some info, thought I'd sh...<i> "Was going over some info, thought I'd share the federal recognition. " </i><br /><br />The federal government already recognizes us as Pechanga Indians. The problem is that certian members of the tribe refuse to accept it, hence the statement "a tribe makes its own membership, not the federal government". They also acept the fact that we ARE Indians (just not Pechanga). So they needed to correct a long time error (read several hundred years).Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74916596068789070312009-10-21T23:45:07.209-04:002009-10-21T23:45:07.209-04:00Was going over some info, thought I'd share th...Was going over some info, thought I'd share the federal recognition<br />rules regarding this statement:<br />" Pechanga's own hired expert, Dr. John Johnson, proved Paulina Hunter was Pechanga, "<br /><br />"Sec. 83.7 Mandatory criteria for Federal acknowledgment. <br />Evidence to be relied upon in determining a group's Indian identity may include one or a combination of the following, as well as other evidence of identification by other than the petitioner itself or its members<br />...4) Identification as an Indian entity by anthropologists, historians, and/or other scholars"<br />http://www.thepeoplespaths.net/govlaw/FederalRecognition25CFR83.htmAllen L. Leenoreply@blogger.com