tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post1305595392908372367..comments2024-03-28T06:01:57.947-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Pechanga Descendent Joe Liska Has Day in Court: August 30OPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger63125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-39726798741875341462010-09-03T14:38:40.052-04:002010-09-03T14:38:40.052-04:00During our appeal hearing, we brought out the fact...During our appeal hearing, we brought out the fact that the enrollment comittee not only hired an anthropoligist to investigate Paulina Hunter. They also had to get direction from the tribal council to interpret the Petition to end all disenrollments, and the disenrollment procedure. There lack of understanding tribal procedures showed their incompetence in determining tribal membership issues. However, the tribal council assisted them in breaking tribal law, and disenrolled our clan anyways.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-28225754819063904722010-09-03T13:55:30.339-04:002010-09-03T13:55:30.339-04:00I find it interesting that during our disenrollmen...I find it interesting that during our disenrollment proceedings, that we were informed that we could not question any of the enrollment committee about there qualifications nor bring in to question any thing about them (I forget the exact wording).<br /><br />It seems they were already aware about there shaky membership status.Luisenohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01716990645661766960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-42191454036981566022010-09-02T15:40:14.345-04:002010-09-02T15:40:14.345-04:00By the way, I was against disenrolling anyone when...By the way, I was against disenrolling anyone when the disenrollment nonsense reared its ugly head around the 2001 time period.<br /><br />I supported everyone that was in the tribe staying in the tribe and everyone who was in the moratorium to be let in the tribe.<br /><br />But if people like Francis Miranda, Ruth Masiel, and Irehne Scearce have family members who put down San Luis Rey on their 1928applications for enrollment as California Indians and then they use that as an excuse to disenroll us because someone from our family did the same, is that fair?<br /><br />Of course not but they had a slim majority on the enrollment committee and on the tribal council.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-16375363052511961672010-09-02T14:03:08.487-04:002010-09-02T14:03:08.487-04:00"I still think all of these posts saying Juan..."I still think all of these posts saying Juan Macarro wasn’t Pechanga are BS. What's the basis of saying he from Pauma, because you found one document that said something other than Pechanga? That's the same kind of crap the enrollment committee used to disenroll the Mirandas and Hunters, and now you're making yourselves into hypercritics. Give me ten minutes and I can find at least one document that list Paulina Hunter or one of her descendant as something other than Pechanga. I’ve done a lot of research and I believe that both Paulina Hunter and Juan Macarro were from Pechanga."<br /><br />The only thing that would even remotely suggest that Paulina Hunter was not Pechanga was a 1928 application of one of her grandchildren for enrollment as a California Indian where he put down San Luis Rey tribe, which historically is the same thing as saying Luiseno.<br /><br />And many other current tribal members also had family members who put the same San Luis Rey referrence on their 1928 applications including people who were cleared from disenrollment.<br /><br />There are no other documents that say anything other than Paulina was Pechanga Temecula anywhere unless you count the census records from the late 1800's where the whole tribe was called by various names; Temecula, Pechanga, or Temecula-San Luis Rey Tribe<br /><br />On the other hand the marriage record is clear evidence that Juan Macarro was a Luiseno from another local tribe, Pauma.<br /><br />But if the Macarros alive today are the descendants of his second wife Isabel(Kengish)Tapia, which from my understanding is the case, then what is the big deal if Juan himself was not Pechanga?<br /><br />I wouldn't have a problem with Juan M orginally being from another local tribe as I am sure that the people from the 1800's didn't have a problem with it as he was living among the people for many years and he married one of them.<br /><br />But if they kick us out of the tribe for our ancestor "supposedly" being from another local tribe, then people alive now did make a big deal out of it.<br /><br />So the Macarros are either from the tribe or they are not as it has to be fair to all concerned.<br /><br />As I said, my understanding is that they are but not through Juan M.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-85315182938351160572010-09-02T13:17:12.568-04:002010-09-02T13:17:12.568-04:00If they get Ruth Masiel as a witness, maybe they c...If they get Ruth Masiel as a witness, maybe they can show incompetence.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-83017084900901188522010-08-29T18:05:08.060-04:002010-08-29T18:05:08.060-04:00Saginaw Chippewa court issues ruling in tribal mem...Saginaw Chippewa court issues ruling in tribal membership case<br />Tuesday, August 24, 2010<br />Filed Under: Law <br /><br />The appellate court of the Saginaw Chippewa Tribe of Michigan issued a ruling on a membership dispute. <br /><br />Dennis Tappen, Angela Ayling and Skykur Graveratte applied for membership. They were born to members of the tribe who had at least one-half degree of Indian blood but their applications were rejected, their attorney said. <br /><br />"The Tribe had previously taken the position it would not honor its own Tribal blood quantum certifications," attorney Paula Fisher told The Mt. Pleasant Morning Sun. <br /><br />The court ruled that the tribe must consider other types of evidence in order to determine whether someone meets the blood quantum requirements. A spokesperson said the decision will increase administrative burdens on the tribal enrollment office. <br /><br />Get the Story:Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-68543136822633542632010-08-29T13:04:14.988-04:002010-08-29T13:04:14.988-04:00I still think all of these posts saying Juan Macar...I still think all of these posts saying Juan Macarro wasn’t Pechanga are BS. What's the basis of saying he from Pauma, because you found one document that said something other than Pechanga? That's the same kind of crap the enrollment committee used to disenroll the Mirandas and Hunters, and now you're making yourselves into hypercritics. Give me ten minutes and I can find at least one document that list Paulina Hunter or one of her descendant as something other than Pechanga. I’ve done a lot of research and I believe that both Paulina Hunter and Juan Macarro were from Pechanga.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-63821392246013232642010-08-28T21:07:43.477-04:002010-08-28T21:07:43.477-04:00SOUNDS LIKE NAVY BOY IS THE FAKE FAMILY.IF WE HAVE...SOUNDS LIKE NAVY BOY IS THE FAKE FAMILY.IF WE HAVE OR HAVE NOT WE DO NOT HAVE TO ANSWER TO YOU WHOEVER YOU ARE????????????SHOULD WE GO GET A TIMECARD TO PROVE SOMETHING TO A NOBODY,WE ARE THE GUAVISH CLAN AND YOU CAN'T CHANGE IT;END OF SUBJECT.GUAVISH TRUE BLOODSnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-24319027033555671792010-08-28T18:51:30.073-04:002010-08-28T18:51:30.073-04:00I do not believe the guavish blood line ,not one o...I do not believe the guavish blood line ,not one of them protested in 14 years they lie....navy boynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-63913415691494223182010-08-28T15:37:58.636-04:002010-08-28T15:37:58.636-04:00GOOD JOB BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH ,ONE TWO THREE KEE...GOOD JOB BRINGING OUT THE TRUTH ,ONE TWO THREE KEEP GOING WATCH OUT CORRUPT TRIBAL COUNCIL SOMEBODYS LOOKING AT YOU !!!<br /><br />POLYSQWALISAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-75001071030897053352010-08-28T14:39:36.612-04:002010-08-28T14:39:36.612-04:00Anonymous August 28, 2010 6:00 AM
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"...Anonymous August 28, 2010 6:00 AM<br /> said ...<br /><br />"Yes...keep it SIMPLE...Juan Macarro did not have ANY children with Isabel from Pechanga. Do your homework before you post. All his children came from a Pauma Indian. Therefore all Macarro decendants are Pauma NOT Pechanga. Mark & John know this too!"<br /><br />It is my understanding that Polinario Macarro, Mark, etc's ancestor, was the son of Juan and Isabel.<br /><br />If that isn't the case, then that is a smoking gun isn't it!<br /><br />You mean Mark Corny Macarro isn't one of my long lost cousins?<br /><br />What a shock!'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-61618664698752477972010-08-28T14:14:02.906-04:002010-08-28T14:14:02.906-04:00James Fletcher is the great great grandson of Chri...James Fletcher is the great great grandson of Christina Guavish she married Joaquin Contreras(mexican).Christina was the daughter of Ausgustine Guavish who was the brother of Michella Guavish.The Guavish Line are true Luiseno's and many of them are have been stuck in the ILLEGAL MORITORIUM for many many years and have suffered for far to long their tribe should be helping out their own but instead we have to go and seek help from the Federal Goverment through other programs for Indian People. Do the people from the Pechanga Tribal Council really think that the Federal Goverment does not check out people asking for assistance from them when they know that the Tribe they are from is making millions of dollars every second you jerks are just digging your own graves by being so selfish and uncaring people it will all come tumbling down all evil usually does.......TRUE GUAVISHnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-61715425529012756062010-08-28T12:56:33.273-04:002010-08-28T12:56:33.273-04:00Haha tapia had no kids with macarro ,,,,haha mark ...Haha tapia had no kids with macarro ,,,,haha mark you pussy omg the truth comes out!<br /><br />Your in the same boat as R.basquez the house shooter,,,hahaAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-86977046481647788872010-08-28T09:12:05.837-04:002010-08-28T09:12:05.837-04:00If Macarro was from Pechanga their name would be i...If Macarro was from Pechanga their name would be in the Original Base Role of 1979. But it is NOT! Their father Leslie Macarro could not get enrolled so he joined up with Butch & Jenny's Splinter Group in 1980. Macarro is illegally enrolled as is Basquez/Masiel! Why do you think they're going down the list kicking out ligitimate families. It's called Hijacking an Indian Tribe.injunjoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-3890045801364368552010-08-28T09:00:00.489-04:002010-08-28T09:00:00.489-04:00Yes...keep it SIMPLE...Juan Macarro did not have A...Yes...keep it SIMPLE...Juan Macarro did not have ANY children with Isabel from Pechanga. Do your homework before you post. All his children came from a Pauma Indian. Therefore all Macarro decendants are Pauma NOT Pechanga. Mark & John know this too!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-33746958158881619162010-08-28T02:06:32.425-04:002010-08-28T02:06:32.425-04:00"If macarro was from tapia his name would be ..."If macarro was from tapia his name would be tapia!!!!!!<br /><br /><br />his name is mark macarro and he comes from the juan macarro blood line !!!!!<br /><br />his great grandfather is probably juan macarro don,t make so hard!!!!"<br /><br />But bloodlines come from both the mother and the father so it isn't hard.<br /><br />Besides, if Isabel Tapia married Juan Macarro, then her last name became Macarro so her descendants with Juan would have that last name but it would be her blood line that would make them tribal members.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-84364562509193023262010-08-27T23:55:23.825-04:002010-08-27T23:55:23.825-04:00vote 1 for signs,yesvote 1 for signs,yesAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-42522925101595904792010-08-27T23:01:36.164-04:002010-08-27T23:01:36.164-04:00If macarro was from tapia his name would be tapia!...If macarro was from tapia his name would be tapia!!!!!!<br /><br /><br />his name is mark macarro and he comes from the juan macarro blood line !!!!!<br /><br />his great grandfather is probably juan macarro don,t make so hard!!!!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-38570357363842281552010-08-27T21:00:30.524-04:002010-08-27T21:00:30.524-04:00I said Juan Macarro wasn't Pechanga as the mar...I said Juan Macarro wasn't Pechanga as the marriage record is pretty clear evidence he himself was from Pauma however, it appears that Macarros alive today could claim through the female side of their family, Isabel (Kengish) Tapia, Juan's last wife.<br /><br />Since they only have to show lineal descent from an original tribal member the fact that Juan wasn't from there doesn't matter as far as tribal membership goes.<br /><br />Ironic that there is evidence that Isabel was from the same clan as Paulina so they are in and we are out?<br /><br />But if Juan had children from an earlier marriage and their female ancestor wasn't Pechanga, then those descendants of Juan would not be Pechanga.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-82399911069011038122010-08-27T16:30:44.640-04:002010-08-27T16:30:44.640-04:00Ok, I have two points: First, part of your argumen...Ok, I have two points: First, part of your argument of why Paulina Hunter is Pechanga is that she was on a lot the census records. Second, all families have some information that lists slightly different missions, tribes, etc. We should look at the fact that a majority of the information lists Juan Macarro as Pechanga; just the same as we should look at the fact that a majority of the information that lists Paulina Hunter as Pechanga.<br /><br />Our discussion has to be “do most facts point to Pechanga”? If they do then we have to conclude that these individuals are Pechanga. We can sit around playing the game the enrollment committee did, which is only look at the evidence that disproves the connection. Our whole argument is we want the tribe to be the “true Pechanga Temecula Indians”. With that being said do you have numerous documents listing Juan Macarro as being from Pauma, or just one?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-58897368991390425712010-08-27T15:55:27.596-04:002010-08-27T15:55:27.596-04:00add on to my last post, it was a slim majority on ...add on to my last post, it was a slim majority on the enrollment committee in 2006 who voted to disenroll us after the people had voted in 2005 to outlaw disenrollment.<br /><br />So it wasn't a slim majority of the people who supported our disenrollment.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-49333537039421164122010-08-27T15:51:43.409-04:002010-08-27T15:51:43.409-04:00Anonymous said...
"Also I disagree with you ...Anonymous said...<br /><br />"Also I disagree with you about the Macarro family; Juan Macarro is on a ton of the census records, all the way back to the first Pechanga census of 1888."<br /><br />The marriage record of Juan Macarro to Isabel (Kengish)Tapia says that in 1894 he had been a resident of Pechanga for 16 years but that he was originally from Pauma.<br /><br />The marriage entry is from the San Luis Rey Mission records.<br /><br />My ancestor Paulina Hunter was on at least seven of the census records for the Pechanga reservation for the late 1800's and she, like Juan Macarro, was given an allotment but a slim majority said that wasn't good enough.<br /><br />So what is good for the "goose is good for the gander."'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-39436010895326212512010-08-27T14:39:41.501-04:002010-08-27T14:39:41.501-04:00I have sign that I want to place on the sidewalk (...I have sign that I want to place on the sidewalk (free standing)at the hearing (last chance) <br /><br />LETS VOTE HERE,,,,,1 vote for signs<br /><br /><br />go to pechanga .info to see signsjoenoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-20954982188483247912010-08-27T14:23:56.771-04:002010-08-27T14:23:56.771-04:00They should be called the dirty dozen,,,,,,They should be called the dirty dozen,,,,,,Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-21048540787574034872010-08-27T14:21:16.469-04:002010-08-27T14:21:16.469-04:00Also I disagree with you about the Macarro family;...Also I disagree with you about the Macarro family; Juan Macarro is on a ton of the census records, all the way back to the first Pechanga census of 1888.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com