tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post1304843523123817748..comments2024-03-27T06:30:49.815-04:00Comments on <center>Original Pechanga Blog</center>: Dept. Of Interior's Larry Echo Hawk Rules 60 members of San Pasqual Band Are to Be OustedOPechangahttp://www.blogger.com/profile/10687743661360604165noreply@blogger.comBlogger43125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-23120972781268355732015-01-15T17:21:23.642-05:002015-01-15T17:21:23.642-05:00To be San Pasqual Blood of the band you have the &...To be San Pasqual Blood of the band you have the "Blood line"....Allen Lawson..Has not these Requirement's... Why?....Cause he's a fraud..and many who vote for him are fraud themselves.....URBAN NATIVEhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14917293837571748850noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-65901357747468151872014-12-30T21:59:01.926-05:002014-12-30T21:59:01.926-05:00I know that the DISENROLLMENT of the Alto's fr...I know that the DISENROLLMENT of the Alto's from San Pasqual seems unjust. However, there are a few things you need to know. The Alto's and the Lawson's (non-San Pasqual whites) occurred at the same time. NEITHER family qualifies for enrollment under 25 CFR 48, which is the enrollment statute that has been in place since 1960. Denied enrollment between the time of the reformation of the tribe until 1995, BECAUSE THEY DO NOT HAVE BLOOD OF THE BAND, Frances Muncy approved the enrollment of these two families in 1995. She single handedly destroyed the San Pasqual tribe. Neither the Alto's OR the Trask descendants (Lawson, his sister Cheryl Calac or their cousin, Dave Toler) have ANY blood of the band. The BIA has all power over enrollment and Frances Muncy got it wrong in the first place. We still fight to get the Trask's out! It is NOT the same as what has happened at Pala or Pechanga.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-90216770696274734092013-04-11T15:35:33.957-04:002013-04-11T15:35:33.957-04:00I wonder when these people are ever going to reali...I wonder when these people are ever going to realize that their little band is scheduled for self destruction by their own selfish actions. 60 people is too small a genetic pool to survive when such a large blood quantum of 1/8th is required for membership. <br /><br />Any species of animals with that few living members would be doomed to extinction and so too this Tribe. Their greed for maximum benefits will destroy them in the not so distant future. Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-35744368925984183052011-11-30T15:51:05.901-05:002011-11-30T15:51:05.901-05:00We have another tribe that is in this same perdica...We have another tribe that is in this same perdicament but we cannot get the government bia echohawk to step in. Our Tribe has dictatorship, they disenroll, or try, and they bannish, one family runs this tribe, with white lawyers. They have put a halt to giving the tribe a general membership meeting and election. So the ones that are in the council seat are not legal. And since they have all the legal and hire a guy with a gun to escort you out the door. They bascically have the power. Chairman is like 1/32nd Tribal and does not meet the criteria of enrollment. They did say that they were adopted. and Adopted means with no voting priv. cannot be on council - and no other priv. per gen membership. They took out the Heridtary Chief, and his fam. because we had discovered the blood amout of the their family. Altho we did tell and wash our hand of this info. We did not ask to be rid of them. But now they have taken the tribe hostage, and did a council takeover with these white lawyers. The BIA wont intervene, so what do they just get away with all that belong to the general membership. Which they have not given anything to the general membership. I think the council fam. has purchased land and cars. ets. They took over the enrollment and hired ones that would do what they say. Even a Chief named him Chief and then tell you only speak when spoken too! I want BIA's help!!! Civil rights have been violated and we want our tribe back. The last general membership we had the gen members wanted them out. But they will not leave. They have keys - access to accounts. The key players are heads of departments. This is what happens when you have to put trust into lawyers who take adventage of the age of people and then these older persons trust the lawyers. Over the tribal membership. Then the money comes. Now its no longer about trust just money.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-35407181886173343132011-02-07T18:24:50.928-05:002011-02-07T18:24:50.928-05:00Dude don,t come into the lions den,we got your num...Dude don,t come into the lions den,we got your number,look at the post above the BIA tried to help you!More then they did for the hunters.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-3542116080293177582011-02-07T18:20:24.499-05:002011-02-07T18:20:24.499-05:00In August, Lawson asked Fletcher to arrange a meet...In August, Lawson asked Fletcher to arrange a meeting with a Justice Department mediator. Those talks hit an impasse, Fletcher said Thursday. He declined to discuss the matter in detail, but he confirmed that the tribe could lose its right to operate the casino if an agreement is not reached.<br /><br /><br />(duh) Ya he did try to save your bacon! ding dong ding dongAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-36812145143343540312011-02-07T14:15:07.166-05:002011-02-07T14:15:07.166-05:00"Here we go,what about the back room deal to ..."Here we go,what about the back room deal to keep you alive when fletcher with pechanga told your tribe not to disenroll you ?"<br /><br />When did James Fletcher ever say not to disenroll us?<br /><br />Because he was silent on the issue and he looked the other way.<br /><br />What proof do you have that he ever said don't disenroll us?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-7914880466071996262011-02-07T11:45:09.043-05:002011-02-07T11:45:09.043-05:00Here we go,what about the back room deal to keep y...Here we go,what about the back room deal to keep you alive when fletcher with pechanga told your tribe not to disenroll you ?<br /><br />That was ok right ? because it greased your pocket,but now you cry DC is dirty because you got kicked to the curb?<br /><br />You shit ass casino Indians should be beat with a cane in front of AMERICA,oh but I am red outside ,save me great one.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-64263921162943260942011-02-07T01:15:04.316-05:002011-02-07T01:15:04.316-05:00What a difference a year makes! In 2009 echohawk ...What a difference a year makes! In 2009 echohawk asked for 8 points, more info and records. To be able to make a final decision. The alto' s provided 4 with the other 4 being unable to find. The tribe gave 0 new updates to echohawks request. The alto family has had 4 different decisions in their favor including a final decision in 1994. The new evidence from the tribe has been around since 1907, and even proves the san pasqual blood to Jose alto. The challenge cost the tribe 4 million, for legal representation, and anthropology. Yet a backroom deal in the end sealed the fait for the alto's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-73336106748608145832011-02-05T12:31:16.531-05:002011-02-05T12:31:16.531-05:00Appeal to the Secretary of the Interior?
Why the ...Appeal to the Secretary of the Interior?<br /><br />Why the BIA just handled the last situation?<br /><br />Are you kidding? The Sec of Interior,is not going to step on Echohawk.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-22144211358225625312011-02-05T02:18:28.241-05:002011-02-05T02:18:28.241-05:00The B.I.A. needs to look in to this under this sec...The B.I.A. needs to look in to this under this section Commissioner of Indian Affairs Delegation of Authority Regarding Tribal Enactments Section 18 Paragraph (3) states Tribal enactments disenrolling persons found not to meet the established enrollment criteria. The Commissioner’s approval of such action shall be subject to appeal to the Secretary of the Interior.<br /> Paragraph (4) The Commissioner shall forward to the Secretary, with a recommendation, ordinances, resolution, or contracts which, in the opinion of the Commissioner are: Inconsistent with an act of Congress or with a treaty or with tribal constitution or charter under which the ordinance, resolution, or contract was adopted, enacted, or negotiated; or should be disapproved or rescinded for any other reason.<br />Paragraph (5) Notwithstanding the provision of section 25 of this order, the Commissioner shall not redelegate the authority granted in this paragraph to any officer or employee who pursuant to a tribal constitution or charter passes upon ordinance, resolution, or contracts. <br />The Commissioner is Mr EchoHawkAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-79335035431702731942011-02-04T14:18:52.962-05:002011-02-04T14:18:52.962-05:00You even have some people who come on here and spe...You even have some people who come on here and spew the lies and propaganda still. “The disenfranchised were planning a coupe, and submitting petitions to take over Pechanga.”<br /><br />When people really look at this matter the truth is plane as day. The disenfranchised trusted in the government to do the right thing. The disenfranchised never filed a petition, and never planned a take over of Pechanga.<br /><br />Look at the people who did stir up the government. Follow the communications; they all lead to the same group, the splinter group AKA CPP. This group launched all kinds of lies and mistruths, sent letters requesting investigations, plugged allies into key government positions, and did not follow custom or tradition and any of their actions.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-62148621333809483922011-02-04T14:11:11.993-05:002011-02-04T14:11:11.993-05:00The Dept. of Interior manages trust land through t...The Dept. of Interior manages trust land through the BIA. Bureau of Indian Affairs manages land records of trust land for Indian people. Congress has plenary power over all Indian matters.<br /><br />The unfortunate fact is corrupt tribal governments have thought they could get away and violate tribal members rights. They could hand them a piece of paper and say we do not recognize you as tribal members anymore, no go away. If you do not follow the tribal law, and constitution, and are not fair in your practices, processes this is harmful for all Indian nations. These things did not happen overnight, nor will they be fixed overnight. Overthrowing the Pechanga government, took over 30yrs. Fixing this problem, may take the same length of time. <br /><br />Pechanga is full of adopted people, some sit on the tribal council. The definition of a Temecula, Pechanga person was written in the constitution, and bylaws of Pechanga. The current termination of life long members violates custom and tradition, and constitution and bylaws on many levels.<br /><br />The moratorium is unconstitutional, and should also be thrown out with the corrupt.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-32833835913502147572011-02-04T00:17:10.734-05:002011-02-04T00:17:10.734-05:00Again you are shifting away from the simple questi...Again you are shifting away from the simple question is a PERSON pechanga Indian or adopted,not what the tribe voted.<br /><br />The Bia does not want to hear the tribe voted to stop disenrollment,but rather is a person adopted or not pechanga Indian at all?<br /><br />The Bia would want to end the fight by ruling either you are or your not pechanga.<br /><br />The huge problem you face is infact you were disenrolled 4 years and the Bia never tried to stop the tribe from disenrolling you,thank fletcher for that.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-74600208311030870202011-02-03T23:11:51.679-05:002011-02-03T23:11:51.679-05:00"Bia they already know who you are?
They don&..."Bia they already know who you are?<br />They don't determine membership the tribe does."<br /><br />The Pechanga tribal membership, the final tribal authority, already decided to keep us the Hunters in the tribe when it voted to outlaw disenrollment in July 2005 so our disenrollment in March 2006 was illegal.<br /><br />So now what?<br /><br />What are we suppose to do to get the tribe to follow its own laws? <br /><br />Like I said, the land allotment issue isn't the only card we are holding but I am still a little weary so I will keep it short for now.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-87560694867559429472011-02-03T20:16:41.886-05:002011-02-03T20:16:41.886-05:00Bia they already know who you are?
They don't ...Bia they already know who you are?<br />They don't determine membership the tribe does.<br /><br />Land handed down means nothing lets not get off the enrollment path ,you keep going to original alottee,that has nothing to do with the enrollment list.Your trying to tie together the two.<br /><br />All tribes go off a base roll and they don't talk about allotted land?Again your trying to sell history to everybody,lets stick to the base roll. Now who has it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-34510075763849717452011-02-03T19:54:07.540-05:002011-02-03T19:54:07.540-05:00but if the land was handed down from a original al...but if the land was handed down from a original allottee to family. would that be a factor in enrollment issue with the B.I.A.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-52848686996739617422011-02-03T19:50:05.894-05:002011-02-03T19:50:05.894-05:00"The bia would not look at the land issue tha..."The bia would not look at the land issue thats not a membership issue.We are talking about membership or people who were enrolled or adopted not land.If billybob has land it does not make him pechanga.You are asking the BIA to research indian history (not going to happen)they will look at a group questioned by a tribe if adopted.Its not their job to determine membership but look at facts given to them from the tribe.If there is clear evidence that a person was adopted then its easy for them to rule in the tribes favor.(They will not tell a tribe these people own land and we feel their Indian)."<br /><br />The tribe had 25 years to dispute our land allotment but they never did, why?<br /><br />Because we are who we claim we are original pechanga people.<br /><br />But our allotment is just one of the things in our favor that we could use and if you have come to this blog before now, then I am sure you have read the many facts that back up what we say.<br /><br />Maybe one of my relatives can jump in and post some of those facts, I am feeling a little weary at the moment as I have posted this stuff dozens of times already.<br /><br />BIA research Indian history? they already know who we are.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-78781751815970196942011-02-03T18:05:50.234-05:002011-02-03T18:05:50.234-05:00The bia would not look at the land issue thats not...The bia would not look at the land issue thats not a membership issue.We are talking about membership or people who were enrolled or adopted not land.If billybob has land it does not make him pechanga.You are asking the BIA to research indian history (not going to happen)they will look at a group questioned by a tribe if adopted.Its not their job to determine membership but look at facts given to them from the tribe.If there is clear evidence that a person was adopted then its easy for them to rule in the tribes favor.(They will not tell a tribe these people own land and we feel their Indian).Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-38073187786879966622011-02-03T14:33:04.578-05:002011-02-03T14:33:04.578-05:00I said:
"Pechanga, if the BIA did get involv...I said:<br /><br />"Pechanga, if the BIA did get involved in our case, would also have to defend the fact that they acknowledged our land patent that we got from the U.S. government in the 1890s as Temecula Indians and this isn't the only fact in our favor that the tribe didn't dispute."<br /><br />But they still disenrolled us.'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-16998164190343094772011-02-03T14:21:11.892-05:002011-02-03T14:21:11.892-05:00how do you get the BIA to get involved? That shou...how do you get the BIA to get involved? That should be the question. Let them settle this.<br /><br />How can tribes have different rules? The BIA is for all indians and should therefore settle all issues.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-87522267076225220772011-02-03T13:54:26.378-05:002011-02-03T13:54:26.378-05:00WOW,ya bring them in and show how many tribal memb...WOW,ya bring them in and show how many tribal members are not pechanga members.Lets find out the truth and see who really is pechanga?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-88965835365129081032011-02-03T13:33:12.851-05:002011-02-03T13:33:12.851-05:00Come on Pechanga show the world you speak the trut...Come on Pechanga show the world you speak the truth. prove in front of the world the Hunters are not Temecula valley Indians from Pechanga. Let the truth be heard with the backing of the B.I.A.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-3248500339296879522011-02-03T01:15:55.800-05:002011-02-03T01:15:55.800-05:00Pechanga, if the BIA did get involved in our case,...Pechanga, if the BIA did get involved in our case, would also have to defend the fact that they acknowledged our land patent that we got from the U.S. government in the 1890s as Temecula Indians and this isn't the only fact in our favor that the tribe didn't dispute.<br /><br />Like I said, by all means, let the BIA get involved in our case'aamokatnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-2887382220113280558.post-17750349600622413632011-02-03T01:05:32.350-05:002011-02-03T01:05:32.350-05:00I do feel bad for the Altos though as I have met s...I do feel bad for the Altos though as I have met some of them and I believe they truly belong to their tribe but some of the records apparently were poorly kept.<br /><br />Ironic that the Masiel/Basquez family at Pechanga seem to have a weaker claim on tribal membership than the Altos have with their tribe and the Masiel/Basquez sat in judgement of us the Hunters?'aamokatnoreply@blogger.com