Sunday, August 9, 2015

PALA Disenrollment Stories: Remijo Lugo and Alejandro Barker. Did the Corrupt Practices of the BIA Make them SIGNIFICANT?

The Family of Pala Disenrolled continues their quest to get the tribal ancestry questions out in front of the public.  Why?   Because if these issues aren't brought out, people will think that everything the tribe does is good and proper.   As a disenrolled Pechanga of Hunter ancestry, I know FIRST HAND that this is NOT true.  Yes, it may be dirty laundry, but it must be aired. And as we are finding out, the BIA is complicit in the destruction of so many Native lives, you'd think it was the 19th century and NOT the 21st.


Who was Remijio Lugo? The short answer is he was a Cahuilla Indian with no ties to Warner Springs or the Cupeño Indians. At the same time, it is not possible to discuss Remijio Lugo without first learning something, or maybe nothing, about Alejandro (Alexander) Barker.  Why are these two men important in Cupeño history? Not for the reason you might think. It is the progeny of these two men that cast the deciding votes in the decision to deprive the Brittens of their membership in the Association known as the Pala Band of Mission Indians.  PBMI is an Association whose membership that the descendants of Alejandro Barker and Remijio Lugo are not entitled to share. 

No one really knows who and where Alejandro Barker came from. He is reported to be one-half Indian. It is reported by Phil Brigandi that he was born around 1854 and that his father was a White man. A review of the 1860 United States Census reveals that there is no Alexander, Alejandro or Alex listed on the census of the Agua Caliente Village. Alejandro Barker would have been 6 years old at the time of the census.  In the 1886 census of Agua Caliente Village it does list Valeriana Barker as the mother of Angelita Barker, Ginoviva Barker and Samuel Barker.
 Valeriana is listed as a sister-in-law to a Mooat. It does not list Alejandro Barker as her husband or that she is even married or widowed. In the later census records they do appear as husband and wife.

The name Barker is the very first Anglo name to show up on the census records of the Agua Caliente Village. But where did Alejandro/Alexander Barker come from. We will probably never know. What we do know is that he was a Citizen Indian meaning that he gave up all of his rights as an Indian person. He was a registered voter. This is more proof that he was a Citizen Indian. He is on the voter rolls of San Diego County. Indians were not allowed to vote. Maybe this is proof that he was not Indian at all. It is possible that he may have been allotted in another state and became a Citizen Indian through his allotment. There are Barkers listed on the Cherokee Allotment Rolls. There are Barkers in Pit River territory and South Dakota. To get to this quickly, Alexander Barker married Valeriana Barker who had Angelita Barker who married Remijio Lugo.

Now who is Valeriana Barker. In her 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll Application No. 1108, she identifies her parents as Juan Chutnicut of San Ysidro and Antonia Arenas of Cahuilla.  SHE IS NOT AN AGUA CALIENTE CUPEÑO.
The Chutnicut identify themselves as San Luiseno. This only makes sense since Chutnicut is a Luiseno word meaning charcoal. So it should be obviously clear that neither Alexander Barker or Valeriana Barker were from Agua Caliente.

Now we are back to Remijio Lugo. Let’s start with his 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll Application No. 1211. And yes Remijio, where were you born?  “I was born at Sulphur Springs near Cahuilla.” His parents are listed as Patricio Lugo and Barbara Casero, both Cahuilla. Patricio is from Morongo/Malki and Barbara is from Cahuilla. Remijio is carried on the Morongo census records for several years before he moved to Pala from Morongo. He does not ever appear on the census records for the Agua Caliente Village at Warner Ranch. 

So let’s throw a little more insult on this injury to the People of the Cupeño nation. Remijio Lugo was apparently a Teamster (paid driver of a horse drawn wagon). Remijio Lugo, whose ancestors are disenrolling real Cupeño Indians, was hired and paid to remove the Cupeño from their home at Warner Springs. In a letter from the Special Disbursment Agent, L. Wright, Remijio (Ramigio) is requesting that his paycheck be sent to his home in Banning. The letter is dated October 29, 1903. The Teamsters had also just finished moving the People of San Felipe to Pala and Remijio was on his way home and did not want to wait for his check. So Remijio’s home was definitely not Pala in 1903.

Let’s add it all up. Alexander Barker. Not a Cupeño Indian.  His Indian heritage is unknown or he is simply not an Indian by virtue of his status as a Citizen Indian. Alexander Barker marries Valeriana Barker who acknowledges in her 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll Application that she is a Cahuilla and San Luiseno Indian. She was born at San Ysidro and not Agua Caliente. Alexander Barker and Valeriana (Chutnicut) Barker are the parents of Angelita Barker. There is still no Cupeño blood here. Simple math, two Cahuilla does not equal one Cupeño.  OP:  BOOM!
Angelita Barker marries Remijio Lugo and according to his 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll Application he was born at Cahuilla. So, 1 Cahuilla + (Cahuilla + Cahuilla) still does not add up to 1 Cupeño.    OP:  BOOM!

So there is still one more possibility that these Cahuilla Indians could belong at Pala. There is a special clause in the law authorizing the purchase of lands for the Warner Ranch Evictees. This clause allowed for the BIA to locate Homeless Indians, with no entitlement to other lands, on the lands purchased for the Warner Ranch Evictees. So maybe, just maybe the Lugo/Barker group can be salvaged under this clause. Maybe they do have rights at Pala. Nah! They still don’t qualify. They have/had rights at Cahuilla and Morongo so therefore they were not entitled to any lands at Pala.    OP:  BOOM!

Here we go again. Why does everything end up back with the corrupt practices of the BIA? Even when the allotments were being made at Pala many of the people objected to Remijio receiving an allotment. It didn’t matter. Remijio was a good Indian and always did what the BIA wanted. He even helped remove those nasty Cupeño from Warner Springs.

So why don’t we go back and do this right. If Robert Smith has authorized the use of the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll then let’s do it. Let’s really do it and ask those Lugo/Barker Cahuillas to leave Pala, They really do not belong there. Even a BIA agent once referred to them as Charlatans.
Oh my gosh, there is one more chance that the Lugo/Barker Cahuillas belong at Pala. What about Valeriana Barker and her offspring? Nah again! She is also considered a Citizen Indian due to her marriage to Alexander Barker and her children are also Citizen Indians and not entitled to Indian Allotment.

Yet through the power vested in Amy Dutschke and the BIA the Lugos have almost completed their takeover of Pala. A place they do not belong; a place where they are not entitled to hold office within PBMI; and a place where they do not have any authority to disenroll anyone.
Everyone is waiting to see who really will be the victims of disenrollment next. People are wondering if it will be the Lugos disenrolling the Smiths or the  Smiths disenrolling the Lugos. It is what they do when they don’t get their way. It is what they do when they are close to getting caught involved in stealing, or murder or rape or any of the other awful things they have a reputation of doing.

It is amazing what you can find once the door has been opened. Robert Smith chose to open the door to the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll as determining who is and who is not an associate member of PBMI. (One more little secret, there never was and there is not a tribal roll for Pala)

So really, if we are going to use the 1928 California Indian Judgment Roll then the Lugos next official act as EC members of PBMI is to disenroll themselves and let the rest of us get on with what is ours. Truly ours!!!!

101 comments:

PALAREZ said...

Face it Brittens, MB never mentioned who her dad was her father is listed as unknown so she can't be listed as full blood when she never said who her father was so she can only prove 1/2. You keep attacking every other large family in Pala with all this B.S...King was a crooked as it comes. Look at his kids birth certificates because he's listed as Caucasian and that's what he is. None of this bullshit ever came up when you guys were apart of the tribe. You leeched of the tribe long enough be grateful you don't have to pay it back. King did a lot of wrong when he was chairman if you looked into it you would know why do you think he's watching his family suffer? Karma is why. Le Anne Hayes is in that same boat karma is kicking in. Tiffany Hayes Aguyayo is another one walked around like her shit didn't stink, good thing she has a husband to take care of her because she still thinks she is to good to get a job already. The tribe didn't become what it is today overnight and it certainly didn't get here by cutting corners. OP keeps posting your bullshit because no one in pala wants to here it so take to the internet keep making this public because your the ones it's hurting. It's funny because the loud mouths like Luanne Moro who likes to run her mouth at the store and talk loud like she's somebody, she's lucky her husband puts up with her. Gina Howard is a joke Agua Caliente tribe of Cupeno Indians of the Pala Indian Reservation if there's a made up tribe that's it. A 1/16 isn't very much blood if you cared about the tribe should of stayed with someone from here or at least another native. White + white dosent make tribal member. Keep it up though like I said your the only ones its hurting.

Anonymous said...

Come on Robert, your letting the truth get under your skin to the point its going to eat you alive

Anonymous said...

Excellent post and Paul Brigandis source was Rocinda.

PALAREZ said...

Keep telling yourself I'm Rob just like keep telling yourself your from Pala.

Anonymous said...

The only thing that I do not agree with in you history lesson is the lineage of the Chucnicut family/clan, they are Cupeno.

Anonymous said...

Robert Smith know better who is really from Pala. And Brittens are so quiet, they don't even care..why should Pala care about them..

Anonymous said...

Keep smoking your crack pipe Palarez, you can't see through the smoke. Funny how you get this blog, but Robert does not allow it to be available to anyone through Pala's internet. hmmmmmmmm.

Anonymous said...

Excellent article. I pray for justice for all Native people.

Anonymous said...

Hey PalRobRezSmith didn't I read somewhere on this site that Marie Smith, father unknown. Oh yes it did say that. Are you then applying that same rule to yourself as you do the Brittens? You are so white blind that you can't even see that most of the Brittens are more Indian than you even without any Margarita Britten blood. Take away all of Margaritas blood, we would still be more Indian than you. And why do you keep saying the tribe. There is no more tribe. you took all the power and you make all the decisions so don't blame the tribe for what is going on. Tell the people the truth, even the BIA disagreed with you and recommended the Brittens be restored. Why don't you tell the people that. You are so selfish you would rather see the tribe implode and everyone lose. Is that what will finally make you happy you sad excuse of man. My dogs have more character than you. They are true REZ.

Anonymous said...

Well said O.P. BOOM, BOOM AND BOOM

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Margarita Britten couldn't put down who her father was on the 1928 CIJR application. That's because she was dead. That application was completed by John Ortega who was intent on enrolling all the Pala Indians into the judgment roll so they could participate in the settlement money. Do you have other evidence that her father was unknown, because that 1928 application is not first hand evidence.

Just so that everyone knows, there were two Rolls completed for the 1933 California Court of Claims. One of all the living Indians, and one for all the Indians who were alive in 1854. That is why an application was completed for Margarita Britten even though she had passed away.

Now this vendetta you have for King Freeman is really starting to sound deeply personal. So you have an axe to grind with him. Why does that mean you have to hurt his children? What kind of pissant attitude is that? How would you feel if someone took out their anger toward you on your kids? Just more of the same cowardly B.S. we always hear from you.

You say my aunt and cousin walk around with attitude but does anyone walk around with more arrogance than Robert Smith? Talking trash about my aunt and cousin is really pathetic. My aunt served the tribe for many years on the executive committee, and my cousin is a sweet woman who is raising her children as best she can after having her life torn apart by the disenrollment.

Now its been over twenty five years of Robert Smith's leadership, or rather lack of leadership. How does his performance rank with King Freeman's? Be honest. There is so much theft, corruption, and crime in his adminstration that he looks at everything as an opportunity to steal and lie. That black Amex card has a ton of personal expenses on it, and I bet the Chairman never pays for anything out of his own pocket. You are right about not cutting corners though, and of course the food budget is a prime example.

Now this part about the 1/16th blood degree is such a damaging remark. You act as though all the disenrollees are 1/16th blood degree. My grandfather was an enrolled Pechanga Indian and was 3/4 blood. My grandmother was 11/16ths combined Luiseno and Cupeno, so I have plenty of Indian blood degree. You are a racist S.O.B., and you don't get to say who is Indian and who is not.

I thank O.P. for his help in getting the truth out, and if you don't like the truth then put your head back up you a**. One thing for sure. You seem incapable of talking about the subject and keep bringing up all kinds of stuff that has nothing to do with anything at all. You do know that if you want to dispute what someone says, than you have to offer some kind of evidence, facts, or proof that tells a different side of the story. Talking in circles just makes you sould like a fool.

Anonymous said...

??Now if there is in fact hard proof that Robert Smith does not have the required blood degree to be enrolled, and be the Chairman of the Pala Band, What are we supposed to do about it???

Do we ture a blind eye to the facts of the BIA and all the evidence that is proof that he does not qualify, or do we take action and have him removed as the Chairman and disenroll him and his family, and charge him with fraud and send him to the federal prison for a new live behind bars. What about Theresa Nieto, what should we do to her for her involvement defrauding the People of due process and motioning to disenroll members that she new was wrong, but she decided to turn a blind eye to the evidence in black and white, including the sworn testimony of true Cupa elders, calling them liars and turning a blind eye to them and disenrolled them.
And what about Dion Perez, who started the ball rolling by making the motion to disenroll the first round of members, what should be done to him for ignoring the black and white facts and the SOWRN TESTIMONY of true CUPA ELDERS, calling the, LIARS and turning a blind eye to their sowrn Testimonies. Now what do we do about this mess, and how do we restore the lost faith in the Reservation that once was the best Reservation in the State to live and raise a family? WHAT DO THE PALA PEOPLE WANT???????????????????????????????????????????????????

Anonymous said...

@ Palarez @ Aug 9,11:15 PM
If you believe in Karma then you better make the cemetery larger, because the EC has a long list of family and and fake Indians that will soon start passing on to were ever they end up. you can't mess with Karma it won't go away until it has run it coarse. it may start off mildly but it can also ruin a whole Nation once it starts.

Anonymous said...

Palarez, you say MB never mentioned her Dad, but their is a lot of evidence that proves who her Father was, including " Sworn Testimony from true Cupa Elders. That should be, and it would be good enough if the EC members didn't have a "BONNER" for her family members. Be careful what you wish for, remember you believe in "KARMA".

Anonymous said...

Do you remember this? In a O.P. post on July 30 2015 titled "THE TRUTH ON THE HISTORY OF ROBERT SMITH.
Dialog between PALAREZ and Anonymous;
Palarez Aug. 2 @1:20o.m.; "you dont belong obviously, our chairman and othe E.C. members have the blood and more than 1/16 your crying around about"
Anonymous Aug 2 @2:25o.m; "Keep mentioning those E.C.members Maxey, Nieto and Perez's blood degree's and your gonna see some proof thats going to make you eat your words".
PALAREZ, Aug 2 @ 2:47p.m.; "Make me eat my words then because I know you cant".
Anonymous, Aug 2 @ 3:07p.m.; "unfortunately you know nothing".
You come blogging mumbling a whole lot of bulls#&t palarez, so unfortunately I think your words you should be eating now probably are tasting pretty nasty.

Anonymous said...

One of the things that comes out is that Pelegrino Ortega Saubel was having children all over the place. He had children at Los Coyotes, Mesa Grande, Rincon and La Jolla. I doubt if anyone has ever really determined how many children he really had. So obviously he was a bit amorous and very prolific. Miguella Owlingwuish was only 12 years old when she became impregnated by Pelegrino Saubel. She gave birth to Margarita (Britten) Saubel when she was 13. Now the truly odd thing in all of this and the real elephant in the room is that nowhere in any document, official or unofficial does it state who the mother of Merced Saubel is. Even her own relatives state that she and Margarita Britten had the same father but different mothers. There is absolutely no record of who Merced Saubel's mother is. Not even a guess. So where does that leave Robert Smith with the family of Merced. Oh my gosh. Her mother is unknown. Her mother has to be white. Maybe her mother was the wife of John Warner and maybe just maybe she had an affair with Pelegrino Saubel. Where does it stop people. Better yet, why did you ever let it begin?

Anonymous said...

Some little known current history.
Teresa Nieto and Dion Perez actually agreed to meet with about 10 people after the first 8 were ousted, Document after Document were put in their faces showing them their mistake and they acted as though they just didnt get what they were looking at, it was sad to see that people "Elected"?? to be tribal leaders could not or simply would not comprehend what they were "attempting to read"?? . Finally little dupe de doo Dion Perez made this statment that rings so true to the above posted letter. QUOTE FROM DION PEREZ, "Its difficult to find information from this time period at Warners, I can't find ANY records of MY family at warners"!!! Read the above history of your ancestors again Dion Perez and you will understand why.

The Truth Shall Set You Free said...

In reply to the comment above regarding the lineage of the Chutnicut family, I just reviewed Application 1107 and can verify that the family of Valeriana Barker, as reported by her child, Sam Barker, was residing in San Ysidro in the year of 1852. His application states that his Grandfather, Juan Chutnicut, belonged to the San Ysidro and that his Grandmother, Antonio Arenas, belonged to the Cahuilla.

It appears that, although there were Chutnicuts who claim lineage to the Cupeno, this particular Chutnicut seems not to be of this group.

Anonymous said...

@7:06 goot one hahahahahaha. He should check the Morongo files.

Anonymous said...

@7:06 goot one hahahahahaha. He should check the Morongo files.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

There were plenty of blood degree errors, discrepancies in tribal affilitation, and missing information on family trees that makes researching bloodlines difficult. The real truth is that the Band established by law the 1895 and 1913 Pala Allotment Rolls as the baseline for blood degree and lineal descent, and to use 1/16th blood of the band as the minimum eligibility requirement. There is no other evidence required. The idiotic claim by the EC that the disenrollees omitted the 1928 CIJR applications so they violated Section 6 of the phony EC Enrollment Ordinance is not even worthy of bathroom reading.

Everyone knows that the disenrollees were enrolled based on the 1989 Final Decision, and that the BIA provided the evidence to enroll the Britten descendants. The Pala EC is using sovereignty, and the deference offered to tribal leaders to avoid scrutiny of the deceptive and illegal disenrollments.

Now I have heard Pala members express their disappointment about the usurpation of political power by the Pala EC, and say that the disenrollees should have been more involved and then they could have stopped this. The BIA order to enroll the Britten descendants came in 1989. The actual enrollments didn't happen until 1994. By then the Pala EC had already put the Constitution to vote and they used that vote to adopt the Constitution in 1997.

It just doesn't hold water to blame the disenrollees for the troubles in the tribe. Then after we were enrolled, General Council meetings became forums for tribal members to tell the Britten descendents they didn't belong. We have taken these insults, and tried to work around the people who are opposed to us. You can't please all the people all the time.

We keep telling the truth, and the Pala EC keeps lying. Not much has changed.

Anonymous said...

How can anyone blame the disenrolled for the problems, and you say that if they were more involved, that they could have stopped this whole mess. How do you figure this, the EC never put anything up for a vote, including but not limited to the so called constitution that was done. I'll bet that there are no members that can recall an ELECTION were they voted to adopt a constitution for the Tribe. I also believe the Britten descents should be put back on the ROLLS like it or not, the do BELONG.

Anonymous said...

To Palarez@11:15pm
What gives you the right to bad mouth other people , like Leann Hayes, and her family. If anyone is hurting this Tribe it is you by the way you put down everyone else. You better be careful what you say because it will come back to hurt you and your loved ones someday.
It's a good think to practice this old saying :If you don't have anything good to say, don't say anything at all.

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PALAREZ said...

I think your the one who needs to put the pipe down. You honestly believe the chairman can control who visits what site in Pala. How would he control Verizon ,At&t and all the other sources of internet on the reservation?

PALAREZ said...

What gives you, this blog or anyone else the right to bad mouth the chairman? You have your reasons I have mine.

PALAREZ said...

Not really OP can right what he wants on his blog dosent mean it's true just because it's sounds good.

Anonymous said...

There was an election in 1994 to change the Articles of Association to a Constitution. I remember because I voted against it. Robert lied to the people and told them that we needed to become an IRA tribe and give up our non-IRA status before anyone would do business with us for gaming. It was a lie. There was only one IRA vote and that was in 1934. That was the only time for an IRA vote. Robert used his lies to begin his ascent to complete power and dictatorship. Not enough people voted in 1994 to pass the Constitution but Robert sent it to the BIA as adopted by the tribe knowing that it was a lie. Or should I say he got his lacky Nikki to do that.

Anonymous said...

That is sad. The legacy of resistance against the Indian Reorganization Act in California, particularly Southern California, is widely known and is seen as part of the larger struggles that Indigenous people from Southern California endured in order to preserve a way of life for there children and grandchildren. Tribes in California were the poorest and suffered the most in terms of land loss and poverty. That they refused to assimilate to a US indpired, written, xerox copy of a Constitution shows the resolve and determination of preservation that tribal communities committed to for their future generations. What speaks even louder is how easily those future generations succumbed to lies and gave in to acceptance of an IRA indpired governing document that their ancestors would never agree to adopt, they would rather starve snd suffer for their future generations than conform to forced government regulation. What a slap in the face, now they are going to have to live with the consequences. People really need to know what they are voting for and stop thinking about themselves and their future, and think about the next generations and creating their futures.

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

Yes, and if you look at the NIGC agreement with PBMI you can see that the Band says it is governed by the Articles of Association. That means that the Constitution was not necessary to gain approval for tribal gaming. Just another one of Robert Smith's many lies.

Certain websites can be blocked from people who use Palanet. Cellphone providers can't be blocked, nor can other internet providers not controlled by Pala. Also E-mail can be read, or blocked, so be forewarned.

Now this silly idea that no one has the right to bad mouth the Chairman needs to be addressed. The Chairman is a public figure and therefore not protected by law from public comments, dissent, or publicity. Anyone can speak freely as long as they avoid obscenity or outright defamation. Some of the comments may stray from propriety, but most are legitimate and not libellous.

The good thing is that there is proof of the wrongdoing of the Chairman, and allegations of wrongdoing that have not been proved would need to be disproved in order to substantiate libel charges. That mean the Chairman would have to provide evidence that he has not done the things he is being accused of, and that would mean going to court and waiving sovereignty. Think that is going to happen?

So say what you want. He won't do anything about it. He's a liar and a thief and uses sovereignty as a shield to protect himself from prosecution.

Anonymous said...

Rumor around the Rez are that RS and the EC want the Chutnicut land near the Casino, which is occupied by the Boles family, the Children of Sharon Chutnicut Boles. They, the EC want to built a Golf Course on the property and vow that they will get the land one way or another. Stop the EC now before they have a chance to do anything concerning this land grab.

PALAREZ said...

What does that have to do with anything? The tribe can't take someone's land so whoever you heard this rumor from is full of shit. you couldn't even fit a golf course on Sharon's land anyways.

Anonymous said...

Dang palarez, what is it with you? Robert just does no wrong in your eyes? He could commit murder and you would explain why it's justified. There is so much evidence of Roberts corruption. There is a equal amount of evidence the britians should be enrolled. You just blow smoke up peoples butts, trying to make up excuses for Roberts actions

Anonymous said...

Palarez is paid by Robert to come on here and make comments, sounds like Cindy Leal, knows the older people, not the name of their children, talks about the disenrollees being lucky because they do not have to pay back what they got, and kisses Robert's big behind.

Anonymous said...

I still think that Palarez needs to GET KNOCKED THE FUCK OUT.

Anonymous said...

Palarez@5:56pm
That property and the turner ranch, that we own and the boys camp all combined would work for a golf course. And 7:45PM is correct about the statement made.

PALAREZ said...

Keep telling yourself that Rob hired me to make comments. Tell yourself whatever you need to. I'm not employed by rob or anyone else, I support our chairman and EC get over it. By the way still waiting to get knocked the f*** out anonymous. I don't kiss anybody's behind, if you ask Mel the disenrollees are lucky they don't have to pay it back. If anyone can say what they want about the chairman then anyone can say what they want about King, Le Anne, Tiffany or the disenrollees.

Anonymous said...

At least PALAREZ cares enough to comment...those from PALA who have been abused don't give a shit enough to stay in the fight.

Stick their asses in the air to make it easier to be kicked. Don't want to do the heavy lifting....

Anonymous said...

@ 6:45 AM, a lot more of them are in the fight, they just have to fight in silence, because everyone talks, and some people like Palarez, who is supposed to be a Pala Indian, which I don't believe truly is, keep spreading hate towards the disenrollees.

O Pechanga said...

I say defend yourselves. If you don't put up a fight, you'll definitely end up like we Hunters and Manuela Miranda descendants....

Don't allow the hate to be spread by this Palarez without an answer.

SCREAM your right to belong from the highest mountaintop. Don't let the BIA get away without doing something....

Reinstatement_Restitution said...

The Pala disenrollees are still fighting hard. I don't know why anyone would they aren't unless they haven't been paying attention. There is an appeal before the Ninth Circuit Court. There are all the recent posts here on the blog. There is the Agua Caliente Tribe. Lots of fighting going on.

I am proud of the Brittens and their persistence and determination.

Anonymous said...

And all documents and affidavits and oral histories. about Margarita Olingnish Saubel are being shared with her young descendants. Who will know the truth that she is 4/4. There will never be any reason to give up their heritage.

PALAREZ said...

There is an appeal for the ninth circuit court, how many appeals have you guys filed already? You have been told the same thing every time. What about the Agua Caliente Tribe? You referring to Gina Howard's fake tribe? No one is saying for Brittens to give up the heritage just because they don't have an enrollment number.

Anonymous said...

TO PALAREZ
It's people like you That is starting to make Pala look even worse that it is. You post on here totally on hear say, you have no facts to back up you post. What are people supposed to believe, black and white facts, Documents on file locally and in Washington DC, or you.
You seem to get off by bad mouthing people from your own Tribe, people that you grew up with, why is that PalaRez?, are you Native, or do you have a bone to pick with certain Tribal Members, if so why don't you go directly to them and see if you can work things out, instead of posting those types of things on here.You seem to be so mind set on every issue concerning the Chairman and the EC. Well let me say this PalaRez, we are so mind set on proving that the Chairman and the EC were totally wrong to disenroll legit members, and we are so mind set on exposing the corruption that has spread like a cancer through the Pala Reservation. And we are mind set on having the Chairman and the EC members responsible for corruption and the hurt to members of the Tribe be held accountable for their actions. And furthermore the The EC has done many things outside their scope of authority that they can be held accountable for such actions. So we will see what the 9th circuit panel of Judges have to say. And we are so mind set on the EC and the Chairman that we are ready to all the way to the U.S. Supreme Court. Remember Palarez instead of being part of the problem, why don't you help and be part of the solution, it's the right thing to do for all Native Americans.

PALAREZ said...

I don't have a bone to pick with any tribal member it's non members that bad mouth the reservation I'm from, and bad mouth the Ec I support. Yes these are people I grew up with but if they have something negative to say about Pala or Pala's Ec I will have something negative to say back. I reply to all these BS post because since you guys insist on making this public then the public should know there are 2 sides of the story. I don't post facts because I think tribal documents should stay within the tribe. Why? Because it's nobody's buisness. I don't go see these people face to face because how would I know who anonymous is? If they posted there name I'd be more than happy to address them face to face. You can have your mind set to whatever you like, I will support my tribe and it's Ec. You guys quit bad mouthing the Ec on this blog, I'd stop posting my response. Problem solved

Anonymous said...

Is Gina Howard trying to gain federal recognition for the descendants of the original evicted at Warner's? The reservation called Pala was established by the federal government in 1903 for the Evicted families at Warner's. The clause " and other homeless landless Indians in the area" such as the adjoining valleys and areas that included Luiseno and Kumeyaay people was part of the original purchase plan, they were eventually adopted by the tribe later on, but I don't think they were ever included culturally, religiously, and or traditionally at Pala unless the had kinship ties to clans and families, but at best they were considered foreigners. Why do I say this, because today most of those adopted families get to claim their total blood for enrollment purposes, but it is the Cupeno bloodline that is left to be scrutinized. The fact is that more no - Cupeno members exist than Cupeno memebers, and the disenrollment issue has illuminated that fact, which was used as an argument against adopting the other people at Pala along time ago, which has come to fruition. If she does gain I ng federal recognition, the reservation would be converted back to the original evicted families, and the EC or GC can invalidate the adoptions. What would the tribe be called the Pala Band of Aqua Caliente Cupeno Indians? All of this is trying to be stopped of course, because if you relinquish your rights in Pala, you lose everything and federal recognition takes decades is is never guaranteed, plus you only have one shot at federal recognition. Choose your battles wisely. I do not know what the future holds, but I think this conflict should be quelled internally, by the family members of the disenrolled.

Anonymous said...

you don't post facts because you have none, how about the facts posted on your Chairman, Teresa Nieto, Dion Perez and Leroy Miranda? They should of picked people dumber than themselves to screw with.

PALAREZ said...

Keep telling yourself that. If you think I don't have facts then by all means think that if you guys had proof other than here say you would be members but you don't.

Anonymous said...

There is proof. Mabye you should read it. Infact there's a blog that posts all the documents. It's called pala watch. So now where's your proof? Let me guess your sovereign and you don't have to show your proof.

Anonymous said...

Honest question to Palarez, What about those E.C. members of yours? Are you scheduling more disenrollements?, looks like none of them belong in pala.

Anonymous said...

Why don't you make a motion at the next tribal meeting to stop recognizing all of the adopted bloodlines, and to only recognize Cupeno bloodline families? Lol.

Anonymous said...

@ PalaRez4:27.
All we are doing is posting the truth for the public to see and to show the wrong doings that the US Government has imposed on legit Native Americans. Even more so, we back up our post by showing black and white documents that can be verified all the way to Washington D.C. None of it is "Hear Say", it's all facts, and if makes the chairman or the ec look bad don't blame us. Also is not doing the Tribe any justice by bad mouthing Mr. Freeman and the Pala Store. The store has always been our information spot. That's mostly the reason people go there. If it was the Pala Mission that was posting info for the public and Tribal Members to view, would you feel the same way?
Please, for the sake of the Tribe and the Members so some respect for others. I'm sure that the EC can defend themselves if they so desire to do so.

Anonymous said...

@5:06PM The facts are here for all to see, and you would have to blind as a bat not to see the facts that are posted her and on pala watch, or if you want, you can get a copy for yourself upon requesting them from the BIA, or in Washington D.C. or through the FOIA.

Anonymous said...

Palarez can't do that because he/she/she would be ousted.

Anonymous said...

You do know that someone is offering a reward for info on the identity of PALAREZ right.?. People are really getting fed up with her (his) bullshit. Maybe this will get the truth out as to who is this bad mouthing nobody posting as palarez. Or just see who gets knocked the fuck out in the next week or so. You asked for it Palarez, and now I think you may just get it.

PALAREZ said...

Hope so ^8:35

Anonymous said...

Question to Palarez So is there more disenrollments scheduled now that the facts have been revealed about most of your E.C. and their families not belonging in Pala? Again, this is a honest question.

PALAREZ said...

I'm not on the Ec but as far as I know, NO there are not any disenrollments scheduled. They are not facts because all of the Ec has ties to warmers. The rolls were fixed after the 162 people were given 30 days to prove their lineage, which they could not. If there were any more planned it would of been done then.

Anonymous said...

What the hell is wrong with these people. We proved way beyond anything that we belong. And it's all backed up with Documents from the United States Government. We have more evidence that we belong, more than any other Member of the of the Tribe. Its the EC that's holding everything up, However they will be forced to do the right thing before to long. Just watch and see.

Anonymous said...

That question was asked specifically to show everyone the stupidity of "Palarez". It has become painfully obvious this person will never understand fact from fiction. Sadly for you" Palarez " you don't realize you are babbling to people who do, people who can read a document and comprehend, people who have documents to show you have never been more wrong in your uneventful life than you are now. Quite honestly I see no more benefit of reading what you have to say, you have proved your I.Q has a - (minus) sign in front of it and your comments are becoming a laughingstock. You and YOU alone give Pala a bad name, keep spewing your stupidity it has become hilarious and everyone needs a good laugh.

PALAREZ said...

I'm not the one who has a problem understanding fact from fiction your the one who won't accept the fact she was 1/2. I realize I'm talking to a bunch of nobody's that can only run their mouth it's like a broken record. I think my life's been pretty eventful, I mean nothing to big like being disenrolled but hey at least I'm making you laugh. I'm glad you find my comments hilarious hope everyone does get a good laugh, I know I get a good laugh at of you guys so I'm just returning the favor.

Tukumay said...

The Brittains submitted all their proof. It was rejected. It wasn't even looked at. All the documents have been posted 3 years ago.

http://www.palawatch.com/2012/11/bia-affirms-margarita-brittain-is.html

http://www.palawatch.com/2012/11/bia-enrollment-specialist-elsie-lucero.html

http://www.palawatch.com/2012/10/robert-smith-acknowledges-margarita.html

http://www.palawatch.com/2012/08/margarita-brittain-fullblood-kupa-indian.html

Anonymous said...

Which prove and was accepted by Robert Smith that she was 4/4.

Anonymous said...

Does the EC have ties to Warner Springs. Sure they do. Their ties are removing the Cupenos from Warner Springs, stealing their new land at Pala, taking control of casino and its revenues and then disenrolling the Cupeno (illegal second removal)from the land intended for the Cupeno. Yes very strong ties.

Anonymous said...

I am sorry that you feel this way Palarez, it is sad to see such stubbornness in regards to not believing the truth when it is in your face. We are just trying to get our due process. Your hate for your own people is evident in the names you are spewing out. You have hate in your heart. I will pray for you to see the light that what you are believing is not right. We do not want trouble, we never did, we just want truth and justice, and our truth is in the documents and our family history, just like you have your family history and if someone was attacking it, you too would fight for your family and their rights. Open up your heart so that your soul is not so blackened, because there will come a day that you will be judged on your actions, thoughts, and words, and right now they are all very ugly. May your soul be uplifted and your heart be warmed so that you understand the true plight that your own people have gone through and are still going through.

Anonymous said...

Everyone should pray for Palarez before someone Lays hands on her/him.

Anonymous said...

news flash, Just discovered. PalaRez is actually another young boy victim/lover of Robert Smith. The news finally confirms that Robert Smith has a young boy fetish and PalaRez is just another one of his perverted conquests. Really Mr. Smith, you and Leroy should get over your angry gay. Nobody cares if you are gay. Yet you let your sexual orientation move you to destroy the tribe. How stupid is that? Really, really stupid.

Anonymous said...

wow, Palarez is Robert's butt buddy, now that makes sense.

PALAREZ said...

Wow where the fuck did you come up with that? Talk about having nothing to say so you make if up. Fuck your to much

Anonymous said...

"make if up". Damn M.O. you need a grammar lesson

Anonymous said...

Remijio Lugo states in Application for enrollment with the Indians of the State of California under the ACT of May 18, 1928:

Name: Patricio Lugo
Tribe or Band: CAHUILLA
Relationship by Blood: Father

Name: Barbara Casero
Tribe or Band: CAHUILLA
Relationship by Blood: Mother

Name of Chief, Captain and Headmen of the Tribe or Band to which your ancestors belonged to on June 1, 1852:

Juan Antonion (Coos-wootna) Cahuilla Chief

THAT MEANS HE WAS NON CUPENO AND WAS NEITHER A WARNER RANCH EVICTEE.

STOP COUNTING THE BLOOD OF A NON-WARNER RANCH EVICTEE TO ENROLL YOUR DESCENDANTS ON THE PALA RESERVATION. YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE THE CUPENO PEOPLE.

Anonymous said...

its time to remove yourselves from the E,C, and the land of the cupenos Howard, Teresa and Dion

Anonymous said...

and tske R.S. & M.O. with you

Anonymous said...

RS must be the one taking it in the butt, because a couple years ago some one said that his dick was so small that he couldn't even get it past the lips on a woman.

Anonymous said...

He must be artificially inseminating his cousin aka wife or she has a sperm donor.

Anonymous said...

Sorry PalRez but a picture is worth a thousand words. We know who you are now and that is all we need to know. We will not publish the photo out of respect for you and the fact that you need help and we hope you get it.

Anonymous said...

I guess Pala Rez forgot about the security camera's at the mini mart, and who gets to view them. HA! GOTCH YA.

Anonymous said...

Also, I believe that that man in the black Cadillac is non other than
Mr. Mcpherson. Looks like he is waiting for someone or something.
HA HA HA.Good job Mr.M., and thanks for the photos.

Anonymous said...

Why show respect to someone who has shown no respect to one of our elders? Palarez deserves nothing, especially respect

Anonymous said...

Wow, this is so sad. Palarez, if this is true and if RS is going around using money to molest boys, I am so sorry. No person deserves to be abused, especially when the abuser thinks that giving money makes it ok. It is not ok. If you are really Indian, then act like a true Brave and stop this action now, before he gets any more young men, and any parents should not trust their boys to his care. It affects them for their whole life, not just during the time of abuse. Please, do not look the other way just for money, it is costing you your senility and your soul.

Anonymous said...

Looks like you should have looked around, Palarez. Should have known that someone was going to check you out, especially from the second floor of the parking structure right near the agreed upon meeting place at the pala mini mart.Real nice photos.

Anonymous said...

Pala Chief "Little PeePee" needs to go back to San Felipe.

Anonymous said...

please post the pictures of pala res so she/he will shut the hell up, and quit putting down our tribal elders. Please do this for the Elders. Before someone gets hurt worse by his/her bad mouthing the Tribal Elders. Thank You very much.

A Concerned Elder Tribal Member said...

Or better yet, just band Pala Rez from the site all together. There is enough stress on the Reservation as it is, and to have to put up with the verbal abuse of someone like this palarez person is going to get someone seriously hurt. Thank you.

Anonymous said...

check out the letter about R.S. grandfather Henery Smith on PALAWATCH

Anonymous said...

the real truth about Pala-un-Rez is that he is not even a tribal member. At least he is not eligible to be a member but that means nothing to Robert. he can now make anyone a member if he wants to. In this case it is because palarez played with his member.

PALAREZ said...

Is that all u got is some made up billshit rumors. All your made up stories are pitiful. What are we in middle school? As for the Mr. McPherson he knows he wasn't there so quit it with the BS.

Anonymous said...

Don't worry Palarez, when Robert smith goes down you will go down too. Oh, I'm sorry, My bad, you have already gone down for Robert smith. After all it is your M.O.

PALAREZ said...

Pathetic. That's all you can say your words aren't hurting anyone you hope realize that. Your the one making shit up and making yourself look stupid.

Anonymous said...

The real point Pala un Rez is that you are not even a tribal member. No one cares about your extracurricular activities. We do care that you come here and run your mouth like you have a say in this. You don't. You are just another Robert Smith echo. Go get some help before you completely lose your mind. You have already lost your self identity.

PALAREZ said...

i have more say then you do.

Anonymous said...

Things change.

Anonymous said...

This is what Any Duschbag states in a letter concerning Pala Band.
The Pala Band of Missions is a Federally reconized Indian Tribe, and is organized under its ARTICALS OF ASSOCIATION that was adopted on 8-15-1959 and approved by Asst. Sect. on 11-06-1960, as amended on 7-03-1961, 11-27-1973,3-11-1974. and 10-2-1980.Seems like there is no mention of a Constitution anywhere, and are still under the Articals of Assoc. as this is dated 3-3-2014.

Anonymous said...

Okay so where is this letter and please share. More info please

Anonymous said...

More infor on this letter would be helpful, send to palawatch to be posted. Or inform where it can be found, there are significant remarks that could prove useful

Anonymous said...

Found I. It is in the letter from Amy Dunce to RS, chairman of the Luiseno tribe. Dated 3-3-2014. On page 18 paragraph 2. There is no mention of the constitution anywhere in the document. based on this letter it does mean that RS and Amy crapola transferred those lands to Old Pala. The letter is posted on Pala Watch. Check it out. Page 18.

Tukumay said...

The letter is posted here: http://www.palawatch.com/2015/08/robert-smith-chairman-of-luisenos.html

page 18 as stated above

Anonymous said...

Robert Smith is now claiming that he is a Full blood. And you know what, he is right. He is a FULL BLOODED ASSHOLE,AND he has all the paper work to prove it from the BIA.

Anonymous said...

RS is indeed a full blood.
He is a FULL BLOODED ASSHOLE, and has the paper work from the BIA to prove it.

Anonymous said...

That post by PalaRez@Aug9 @ 11:15pm.
Who do you think you are. First you defend the wrongful actions of the corrupt EC members and then you try to tell these people who they should have sex with.You are a sick puppy and should be put to sleep, or better yet put down like a rabbit dog.

Anonymous said...

got to push this to 100. There has been a new find regarding Barker. CIJR App 1194 Maria Jesus Hyde says that Barker was her father and that he was a white man. That Indian blood just keeps getting thinner and thinner every day.