Sunday, October 20, 2013

Pechanga Tribes HIRED Renown Archaeologist Who PROVES PAULINA HUNTER IS Pechanga

House Committee staffers asked for copy of Dr. Johnson's report in our meeting last week.  We told them we had VIDEO of him explaining Paulina Hunter was Pechanga.  Obviously, there was a bit of disgust over what they did.

Pechanga hired Dr. Johnson, but didn't use his report.  WHY?  Because the TRUTH didn't fit into their plan.




As always, if you can tweet this to:  @USIndianAffairs @IndianCommittee  and to ALL your friends and ask them to do the same.

50 comments:

Anonymous said...

Dr John Johnson what does he know he some hack that went to collage got degrees in anthropology and is hired by Indian tribe all over California and considered the foremost authority in California Indian history. He should not disagree with Mark Macarro’s knowledge or wisdom.

Anonymous said...

Maybe Mark and his committees reading comprehension is not on a level that can understand reports and documents. what is their level of education in anthropology and historic documentary reading to disprove Dr. John Johnson.

Anonymous said...

Mark would rather believe the child molester Ibanez.
Would he let Vince babysit his kids?

Anonymous said...

I think a. Mark is a great. Becuz that's the way it is.

Al-ah-baba Ismal (pachanga council)me born in Iraq but now uh trubal member.

Anonymous said...

The evidence is so obvious, that it has to be a deliberate effort to be so obtuse.

Mark Macarro got what he wanted.

Anonymous said...

What is the personal vendetta with Mark? He doesn't care how bad he looks, how much he has to lie, he will do anything to go out of his way to interfere with peoples lives. It's not normal. And this is the tribe's chairman? Does anyone in the tribe care that he's an embarrassment?

Anonymous said...

Ah mark a bi polar. and ah holly do have apretty lips. Many camel jockey luv holly in Iraq.

Al-ah-baba Ismal Trubal member

Anonymous said...

I have it from an un-impeachable source (ie my 70+ year old Mother) that Mark doesn't think lying is wrong or bad. From Marks own mouth when my Mother approached him about the enrollment committee lying, he told her "if you don't like lying, then take up a partition to make lying against the law". And then laughed at her....

Anonymous said...

as congress looks more into the disenrollment's and ask Mark Macarro about disenrollment and compliance with the tribes constitution and bylaws how will he answer them. look how he answered senator Cantwell he didn't lie but he didn't tell the truth. and that wasn't to good for the water bill because it is a complicated matter that congress and the senate cant understand. right Mark.

Anonymous said...

The truth will win out. Congress can pass water bills from other tribes, and leave Pechanga hanging

Anonymous said...

Anonymous said...October 13, 2013 at 4:32 PM
"... Congress can pass water bills from other tribes, and leave Pechanga hanging
"

They SHOULD pass a water bill that only involves those with an allotment, after all these are the Indians which were originally supposed to benefit from water rights. Then those who actually have an allotment should be the ones who control the water as it should be, as it was originally intended to be.

Anonymous said...

I still don't understand how a tribe votes in a wimp that doesn't even want to live on the Rez....why?...is he too good for the Rez?...you would think a "Chief" would want to live amongst his people.....you think the old time chiefs lived off Rez?....

Anonymous said...

"wimp" yes! "chief" not even close! Chairman of tribal council, yes. Petition to Adopt non-tribal people accepted by council and General membership, yes. Petition passed by General membership to stop investigations and dis-enroll families upheld by General council, no! Mark could do the right thing, but he is to busy leading the corrupt actions of a few. Disenrolling families who meet custom and tradition of the band, live on the reservation, and have recorded records that show they belong in the band is corruption at its finest. Now the corrupt faction wants control of the water rights and to control water usage of the allotted Indians and their families. Stop the corruption in its tracks. Mark is unwilling to do the right thing. Please @USIndianAffairs, @IndianCommittee don't give this corrupt faction any support to continue their evil deeds.

Anonymous said...

Does or rather DID Dr. Johnson have any incentive to LIE to the committee?

The tribe paid him for his work. Who has the bigger incentive to not use his work? Those that split the $25 MILLION a year, ya think?

Anonymous said...

Whats even more obvious, is the stacks of certified oral depositions given by Luiseno Pechanga indians, the Hunters have confirming their Luiseno, Pechanga background and history.
Whats obvious is the current council led by Mark has allowed custom and tradition to be swept away, and claim they will claim rights over there elders. How disrespectful and shameful.

Anonymous said...

You guys are going to be on your "death bed " talking about this .

Where is Airro ? You got one blogger?

Airro did you let down 100,000 dis-enrolled people ?

Anonymous said...

AIRRO had their time, now it's time for more of the aggrieved to stand up for themselves.

No tribal member should wait for OTHERS to do THEIR WORK for them.

Anonymous said...

don't trust or like him

O Pechanga said...

Going to be on our death bed talking about this? So WHAT?

We have forced the tribe to pay lobbyists and lawyers for things they thought they had in the bag. They thought they had this water bill 3 years ago. Didn't happen. That was a $50 million hit.

We've shone a spotlight on Pechanga AGAIN in Washington DC, so they are wary of them.

WE've gotten important people to respond to us, visit this blog, we've been on radio shows, television interviews. We've helped other disenrolled tribal members find an outlet.

We have filled in some of the vacuum that AIRRO left.

Anonymous said...

What will be Marks Macarros excuse to congress for not using Dr. John Johnson report.

Luiseno said...

He (Mark) has already given his excuse for not using it. His excuse is we are sovereign, we don't have to use his report, we can do anything we want and no one can stop us (smirk smirk)

Anonymous said...

Dr. John Johnson should not be the final word on who is authentically Luiseno from Pechanga and who isn't, he is an outsider, a non-kndian, and quite frankly not such a well received expert in Native So. Cal. lineage/ancestral/historical research practices with academic circles. Sure he can offer advice and an opinion, but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community. If you don't like it have your family members vote.

Anonymous said...

Pechanga enrollment committee hired Dr. Johnson, and ignored his findings along with a stack of red ribbon certified documents they requested from the Hunter family.
Next the General Council led by Mark went against the bands custom and tradition, and did not follow a vote held by the General council "membership" and allowed the Hunters to be disenrolled. visit this link:
http://www.originalpechanga.com/2010/09/how-did-pechanga-tribal-council-acted.html

Corruption plain and simple.

Anonymous said...

Mark and brother John Macarro are not the final say in tribal matters. Custom and tradition is the final say. Its not Mark and Johns job to interpret the will of the people. The will of the people should only be interpreted by the people, and Mark and John should follow the will, no excuses. According to custom and tradition the band is the final word, and its sad that Mark and John don't feel it or uphold it. That's why the water bill should not be put in the hands of the misguided council. Say no until the "elected" council follows the membership beliefs without prejudice.

Anonymous said...

No, the Dr. Johnson didn't have a final word. His evidence was completeley disregarded. So was the TESTIMONY in the LUISENO language of people who were ALIVE and knew Paulina Hunter. In 1915.

The child molester IBANEZ wasn't born.

Does anyone really believe that RUTH MASIEL was COMPETENT to even UNDERSTAND the evidence, much less make an informed decision?

Anonymous said...

Custom and Tradition "will of the people". Mark and brother John Macarro twist the bylaws, and try and recreate Custom and Tradition. Elders spoke before Mark and John Macarro were born. Before Vincent Ibanez, before Ruth Masiel, Frances Miranda, Jennie Miranda were born, on and on and on. If they really believe Custom and Tradition and respect Elders, its time to correct the mistakes. If not, Evidence is real and lies will have Karma following up.

Luiseno said...

" but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community."

The Tribe DID decide, they decided to stop ALL enrollments and to keep all who were members at that time in the Tribe (when asked if the Hunters were included, Mark gave an afermitive). The Tribe voted overwhelmingly to keep the Hunters in the Tribe, and stop ALL enrollments. Mark choose to throw out there vote saying the General Membership had no authority in matters of enrollment,and steamrolled us anyways.

Luiseno said...

"but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community."

The Tribe DID decide, they decided to stop ALL disenrollments and to keep all who were members at that time in the Tribe (when asked if the Hunters were included, Mark gave an afermitive). The Tribe voted overwhelmingly to keep the Hunters in the Tribe, and stop ALL disenrollments. Mark choose to throw out there vote saying the General Membership had no authority in matters of enrollment,and disenrolled us anyways.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous on Oct 16 6:58 AM. Dr. John Johnson is not the final say in tribal matters but the question is then why would Pechanga hire a person that is not very credible in his field of anthropology. Dr. John Johnson is used by a lot of California tribes and if you ask others in his field he is a renowned expert in this field. If Pechanga is going to ignore historical documentation from the archives of Laguna Nigel and D.C. throw away Dr. John Johnson report and also not use 100 year old depositions from tribal members that lived with her at that time how did they come to their conclusion.

Anonymous said...

The tribe does decide all matters of enrollment. Ask Russell "Butch" Murphy, who passed a petition to adopted your family "Butch"? The tribe did! Who voted and passed, a petition to stop investigating families for the purpose of disenrollment and declare "all" members meet the criteria of enrollment? The tribe did! Mark said "all, means all". The tribe is being pushed around by a select few. Crazy!

Anonymous said...

According to Pechanga costom and tradition, the Band determines "all" things.
The best question is whether Mark, and John Macarro bring "all" things before the Band, and do they allow the Band to follow custom and tradition?
At this point the answer is clear, NO!

'aamokat said...

"Dr. John Johnson should not be the final word on who is authentically Luiseno from Pechanga and who isn't, he is an outsider, a non-kndian, and quite frankly not such a well received expert in Native So. Cal. lineage/ancestral/historical research practices with academic circles. Sure he can offer advice and an opinion, but ultimately tribal matters should be decided BH the tribal community. If you don't like it have your family members vote."

Point taken but how did Dr. Johnson come to his conclusion?

Well, here is some of the evidence he examined, notarized depositions taken during Paulina Hunter's allotment probate in 1915 and also prior to the first written enrollment of 1979 in which tribal elders verified that Paulina Hunter was a member of the tribe.


1. Antonio Ashman, called a vaunted (much praised) elder on Pechanga's own Web site who recounted the eviction of the people from the old Temecula Indian village sites in 1875, said when he was asked, "did you know Paulina Hunter as a member of the Band?" He answered, "yes, I knew her as such." Ashman, who was 20 years old when Paulina Hunter died in 1899, and who was in his 90s when he gave his testimony verifying Paulina's tribal membership, knew who an original tribal member was and who wasn't one.

2. Original tribal member Dolores Tortuga said when she was asked, "did you know or were you acquainted with the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter during her lifetime?" Tortuga answered, "yes, I knew her as a neighbor when we Pechanga Indians lived at the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California," part of the old Temecula Indian village prior to the establishment of the reservation in 1882.

Tortuga's testimony was collaborated by original Pechanga member Jose David Rodriguez who added, that he knew Paulina Hunter as a neighbor on the Pechanga Indians reservation.

4. Paulina Hunter is on every census record of the Pechanga reservation in the late 1800s until the year of her death in 1899

Our critics like to say that the elders during the probate were merely saying Paulina Hunter was their neighbor but it is clear that Tortuga especially was including Paulina in the inclusive "we Pechanga Indians" who lived at the Pauba Ranch and this is backed up by the probate examiner calling her "the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee."

One more thing, in 2005 the general membership of the tribe voted to outlaw disenrollment and Mark Macarro himself verified that everybody who was in the tribe would be covered by the new law if it was passed. His response to this question during the debate on the issue was, "all means all." But we, the Hunters, were disenrolled in 2006 anyway in violation of a duly passed law which the tribe's constitution and bylaws mandates that Macarro and the tribal council uphold and enforce duly passed laws passed by the membership.

'aamokat said...

It begs the question, why does the tribe believe elder Antonio Ashman about the eviction from the old Temecula village as recounted by him on Pechanga's own Web site but they don't believe what he said about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band?

Could it be that they all got a raise on their per capita when we the descendants of Paulina Hunter were kicked out of the tribe?

Anonymous said...

Anonymous

" 'aamokat said...
It begs the question, why does the tribe believe elder Antonio Ashman about the eviction from the old Temecula village as recounted by him on Pechanga's own Web site but they don't believe what he said about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band?"

Shameful, disrespectful, hateful, untrustworthy, immoral, unaccountable. It goes on and on. The water rights bill should be shelved again until Allotted Indians @ Pechanga have their rights protected.

Anonymous said...

what about the tosabols?

Anonymous said...

Tosabols are allotted Indians too, protect "all" indians rights!

Anonymous said...

I heard people are living on the Tosabols land . Building a home ?

Anonymous said...

Send a letter to Eric Holder! "All means all"!

Anonymous said...

What have the Tosobols been doing to continue their fight? We havent heard much from them.

They had 80 adults, plus spouses, in laws and friends. One letter each to holder and the pile would get pretty big.

Anonymous said...

even half of that, would be a statement!

Anonymous said...

Why wouldn't someone do something so easy as copying and pasting a LETTER that was written for you?

It's shameful that people come on here and whine about what happened to them, but won't lift a finger to do anything for themselves.

Tosobols could add a paragraph to explain their situation. Apis can do the same...and other in the moratorium can send one too...

Anonymous said...

Exactly!

Anonymous said...

we've been fighting seventeen years we tosabols what are you talking about!

'aamokat said...

Another thing, Chairman Mark Macarro said at a previous meeting in 2005 to the ones when the petition to outlaw disenrollment was debated and passed that we should listen to what elders like Antonio Ashman had to say. Was he referring to what Mr. Ashman has to say about Paulina Hunter being a member of the Band? I believe he, for a moment, was trying to do the right thing but he let the money sway him. Macarro knows we are Pechanga but, in the end, he doesn't care that we were done wrong.

'aamokat said...

For any smart alec tribal members who say the facts don't back it up that we the descendants of Paulina Hunter are direct descendants of an original tribal member that both predates the reservation and from the establishment of the reservation in the late 1800s. I will again state how elders from the period of the establishment of the reservation, they, eye witnesses, proved that Paulina Hunter was indeed an original tribal member and, again, I will point out, that Dr. Johnson was merely stating the facts, no matter what mealy mouthed tribal members alive now say. Eye witness accounts trump any doubts anybody might have had.

Again, let the elders from the time of the original reservation who knew who belonged and who didn't speak for themselves.

Antonio Ashman, called a vaunted (much praised) elder on Pechanga's own Web site who recounted the eviction of the people from the old Temecula Indian village sites in 1875, said when he was asked, "did you know Paulina Hunter as a member of the Band?" He answered, "yes, I knew her as such."

Original tribal member Dolores Tortuga said when she was asked, "did you know or were you acquainted with the deceased Pechanga Indian allottee Paulina Hunter during her lifetime?" Tortuga answered, "yes, I knew her as a neighbor when we Pechanga Indians lived at the Pauba Ranch near Temecula, California,"

I had a tribal member last year get mad at me when I told him about the notarized depositions from original tribal members from the historical period that proved we are original Pechanga and he told me, "people alive now say you don't belong." Yeah Duh! Does he even know how absurd that even sounds or does he just want to bury his head in the sand and just keep collecting his per capita check?

Also, not all tribal members alive now say we aren't an original Pechanga family just those mainly from two families from one particular faction of the tribe who had the votes on the stacked enrollment committee and on the council say so. We actually have notarized depositions from current tribal elders, seven in all, who say we belong as opposed to three that said we don't belong.

Anonymous said...

I'm boycotting Pechanga Dis-enrolled ,soon as they start doing something I might get involved.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous you go ahead and boycott but ask Pechanga about the water bill that went nowhere. The questions that were asked by the Indian affair committee were about disenrolled allottees. This did not happen on its own.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous
October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

Water bill did not get settled because the deceitful way it is presented. Just like any other deceitful lies, Karma will kill it. It's all been in the works, tick tock tick tock.

Anonymous said...

To anonymous
October 18, 2013 at 6:41 PM

With your head in the sand, its hard to see whats happening.

Thanks for stopping in and posting. It is a show of support, thanks again.

Anonymous said...

Boycotting? Great idea, boycott those that need help.