Tuesday, June 12, 2012

Bureau of Indian Affairs Says: "There Was NO Evidence Provided to Support The Disenrollment of These Individuals"

We have for our readers, a letter from the Acting Regional Director of the Bureau of Indian Affairs Dale Risling that shows that Robert Smith disenrolled Pala Members without evidence.

The Pala disenrolled have started their own blog: Pala Watch For all things Pala, this is the place to go.

Is that a criminal act?

RD Recommendation 6.7.12[1]

Is it criminal to deprive tribal members of what they are rightfully due?

Is this the kind of business you can trust your entertainment dollars to?

48 comments:

Justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

Robert Smith and the EC think they are above every power because they say they are sovereign. They are not the tribe is. Disenrolling without evidence and without even a reason given is a violation of the disenrolled civil rights and a clear violation of pala constitution. Not only did he disentoll with no evidence he held a "special meeting" last week ( no decendents ( even those still enrolled) of MB were even aware of the meeting to be able yo attend) and held a vote to make the disenrollments final. Umm excuse me didn't you tell the disenrolled they had to file an appeal with the BiA within 30 days which they did. Then you hold a meeting and state in a letter to the disenrollled since the BiA hasn't rendered a recommendation and it has been
4 months you Are making it final. Another clear violation of their rights and your power. It is not the disenrolleds fault rhe BIA didn't have recommendation handed down yet. Pretty funny though a certified letter to disenrolled was delivered yesterday and today the BIA decision was received by disenrolled!!!! Is the BIA working with Pala??? Pala has clearly violated the civil rights and offered no due process and it was their job to hold Pala accountable. Didn't happen bullshit is what it is too many corrupt people involved in this. We have shown the proof to Pala, the BIA ( who agrees with us) and those on OP and tv and still nothing is done to correct it. This is not the end don't think it is we will fight for what is right until it is fixed. Smith you may think this is over but you are wrong it is just now beginning.

Anonymous said...

Keep up the pressure. Don't let your people fall backwards.

Don't let them be like Hunters, who quit, or Apish who are on the sidelines. Keep everyone in the fight.

Anonymous said...

Standing ovation to the above comment and I second that!

Anonymous said...

It's a win! But it is not the whole battle. Keep on.

warrrior Angel said...

I'm sorry but I told you this was going to happen, and it just did!

This case is a fucking joke!

Let me wipe my ass with that letter!

warrior angel said...

Don't let them be like Hunters, who quit, or Apish who are on the sidelines

Wow

Who are you? captain cupcake?

Anonymous said...

Hey warrior angel go ahead and wipe your ass with it now but you better keep it cause your going to be eating it later!

Anonymous said...

You better change your name warrior angel from your post your a disappointment to the Native American Race. Since you are such a smart ass what don't you just post your name.

Anonymous said...

cause your going to be eating it later!

I'm confused ,are you calling the letter a victory?

Because clearly the BIA is stating they are not getting involved?

It does state your part of the pala tribe but, it also states they can't do anything?

Smart ASS ,is the one who made comments about pechanga people,...

Anonymous said...

Also that sort of talk is not productive, back to the letter.

Its sad the BIA states your part of the tribe but because of the tribes constitution they have no federal authority to do anything about enrollment,..

Anonymous said...

Hey to the retard that made the statement “Don't let them be like Hunters, who quit”.
Do you know that this site is ran by a “Hunter” and some of the them have been fighting with the Mark regime and I will accept that not all Hunters are fighting this cancer, but that is there choice. So do your home work first before you make a statement like the foolish one that you stated.

aamokat said...

For your information, my handle here, 'aamokat, means Hunter in the Luiseno dialect and as many of you know I have been commenting since this blog started, I have been writing letters to my representatives, I have attended Native American caucus meetings to lobby for our rights, and, among other things, what I have written has been featured on the homepage here at the O.P. Blog many times.

It is a safe bet that my ties to the Pechanga tribe are because I am a member of the 'aamokat (Hunter) family.

So who is quitting? Not me and certainly not our cousin, Original Pechanga.

Anonymous said...

HUnter ran site, Hunter and Apish assembled the last news coverage, putting themselves at risk by talking to the media. Many are working behind the scenes writing congress, Dateline 60 mins, etc. No true Native is ever giving up on their ancestors. Thats the way these impostors think. You can walk away from your heritage. Maybe you can, but not us!

Justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

Thanks for getting the news story put together hopefully more news stations will want to do stories on disenrollments and bring it to the public. I wish dateline or one of the big news agencies would take this across the US. Keep fighting for what is right pechanga and pala disenrolled!!!

Joseph Harris #821 said...

To Anonymous who said:

"Its sad the BIA states your part of the tribe but because of the tribes constitution they have no federal authority to do anything about enrollment"

Actaully Pala's Constitution clearly defines how our membership is determined. It is determined by direct lineal decent from the 1913 Allotment Rolls compiled by the Department of the Interior. One must be a direct lineal decent and at least 1/16 "Pala" blood.

Our original Ordinance No. 1 gave the BIA final authority over appeals decision. The Executive Committee/Enrollment Committee changed our enrollment ordinance to say the BIA can only offer a recommendation.

However, by changing our blood degree the Enrollment Committee is in effect altering the 1913 rolls. They are also reversing a long standing final decision made by the BIA in 1989 which determined once and for all that Margarita Brittain is full blood Kupa.

The statute of limitations has long since run out on the 1989 decision and no new evidence was offered.

The BIA could in fact do something. But so far they choose to do nothing hoping all 162 of us disenrolled will go away.

We are not going away - ever.

The BIA will eventually be compelled to act.

Pala's enrollment committee cannot change who we are as a people.


June 12, 2012 6:14 PM

Anonymous said...

Enrollment Committee changed our enrollment ordinance to say the BIA can only offer a recommendation

Not sure how your saying the BIA will be complelled to act?

They don't have federal authority as the letter states?

I wish you luck,...

Anonymous said...

Pala's enrollment committee cannot change who we are as a people

Welcome to the club! Many people have been raped of who they are because of corrupt enrollment committee's.

Joseph Harris #821 said...

To anonymous who said:

"Not sure how your saying the BIA will be complelled to act? They don't have federal authority as the letter states?"

They actually do have the authority. So far they are choosing not to act on it. It's not a foregone conclusion but I feel pretty confident that eventually they will be compelled to act.

I am not going to go into any details. All I can say is stay tuned...and it may take some time.

Anonymous said...

It funny how a tribal council can change a constitution and not allow the people to vote on any of the changes. Then they can make deadlines and not tell the people who are appelling a decision. I guess we are paying for Leroys failed marrage. She don't want him it seems just his money and how to get more but to go after his family and enemies.

Anonymous said...

All this fight and crappy comments to one another, or even the "good luck but.." stuff has got to be directed at the right people. People who stand as one have a greater chance of combatting fear tactics because you provide hope to one another. Be kind to one another and point the frustration, anger, and hurt to the governing entities, destroy them!

Anonymous said...

If she left leroy(I don't know if she
Did or didn't),do you blame her?
What an embarrassment leroy is!
Every one knowing he smokes man pipe!
Can you imagine how she felt bringing him around her family?
Or maybe she
Saw how screwed up his family is and how they lie about many things!
If she left him I don't blame her,I blame him and them!

Anonymous said...

She still lives in the same house but has a new boyfriend well Leroy stays on the side lines hoping she will come back to him.

Anonymous said...

Could u imagine if Pechanga had to Re-enroll the wrongfully dis-enrolled with back pay it would be over $400 million it would break the tribe...but then it is the tribes fault for illegally dis-enrolling them. PALA should re-enroll now before this goes on longer cuz when this goes to court and they rule to re-enroll with back pay Pala is gonna be paying too. If Pala was smart they would cut their loses now..but Robert thinks he's untouchable..u think his lawyer Dickstien would give him good advice and tell him.

Anonymous said...

With all the evidence in favor of the dis-enrolled and the ZERO EVIDENCE Robert has any court would rule in favor of the dis-enrolled! I mean even the BIA has said Pala EC has provided NO EVIDENCE to support their dis-enrollments! How stupid is Robert and the EC? I know the tribe is sovereign but that doesn't mean u can just straight abuse American citizens CIVIL RIGHTS and get away with it! When u do stuff this illegal and wrong even sovereignty can't protect u!

Anonymous said...

So say another chairman was elected..can he re-enroll this family and then dis-enroll another family that did him wrong? How is that possible, isn't there laws or a constitution they have to follow to prevent this like the President has to? I mean if every President of the U.S. was allowed to do whatever he wanted the country would be a mess and change every 4-8 years. That's why there is a constitution to stop things like this no matter who is in charge.

Anonymous said...

The EC changes it to fit their needs and the people are not alloed to vote on the changes. They even produce false papers to the BIA to cover it up.

Anonymous said...

Well as a tax payer I object to a tribe with a billion dollar casino getting government grants to teach its children their culture. I mean how high are our taxes and how high is unemployment. That money could be used to create jobs on nongaming tribe reservations.

Anonymous said...

Amy the RD, approved the "new" enrollment ordinance on July 22, 2009 that smith and his 27 quorum cronies SNUCK IN. Sara, also Amy's niece, the lawyer who the disenrollees actually helped pay for, led smith and the EC through this 4 to 5 year banishment process. How convenient and strategic it is that Amy did not sign the recommendation letter back to the appellants. It almost makes you think possible conspiracy, collusion, and conflict of interest.

Anonymous said...

Possible you say? Amy is in on this, robert eben is in on this, francis "iam a fullblood,see my beadwork hair clip" muncey is in on it, and sadly it probably goes beyond sacramento to washington. Robert smith is not smart enough to pull this off by himself

Joseph Harris #821 said...

To anonymous who said: "Possible you say?"

Yes, possible...nothing is certain in life except death and taxes.

I am fully aware of all the connections going on with the BIA and Pala.

I still say possible but we will have to wait and see.

Anonymous said...

I am not sure I follow you guys with this BIA pala (conspiracy thing)?

1. The BIA is on your side stating you should not be dis enrolled and you have the blood.
2. They are stating because of the tribes constitution they don't have legal authority to get involved.

So? I don't believe there is any secret ,the letter appears to be up front to me?

Are we all missing something ? (fill us in please)?

Anonymous said...

You need to go back and review all the other blogs and comments, very complicated. But come on, BIA is United States Federal Government, not exactly as powerless as they are pretending.

Justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

The BIA is able to step in and pull funding from the tribe if they violate their constitution or do not offer due process to their members all which has has been proven in the appeals and supplement appeals to tr BIA yet they still offer no help to the disenrolled. They know Pala is violating the rights of the disenrolled they are not following their own constitution by deciding membership by using the 1913 allotment roll, they gave NO reason at all for disenrollment, they violated the savings clause, told the disenrolled to appeal to the BIA then didn't even wait for the BIA response before holding a meeting and making it final. This is just a fraction of rhe violations the BIA had the authority to act upon and did not. Like the person above said it is complicates if you read other comments from here and OP you will better understand or read the appeal and supplement appeals of the disenrolled you can find online. You should read the appeals and supplements it is black and white the BIA should have acted upon this.

Anonymous said...

If the Pala EC is not gonna follow the rules and their own constitution then the BIA shouldn't have to follow it either so they should step in!

Anonymous said...

It's simply a case of elected officials exceeding their lawful authority!
You have a family who has a documented right to be enrolled(MB family).it's all there on paper,even the BIA says they should be enrolled!
You have another family where it is documented doesn't have the blood to be enrolled(admitted by elders of family more than once.(rocindas family).the BIA says they don't have blood anymore!
Now I see why people like Doreen and Mel don't agree with the BIA,the BIA ruled against them twice.Once when they lowered their blood(everyone knows Yaqui blood is not native to the united states!)
Then the BIA restored MB blood,well Yaqui Mel made a claim rosinda told him MB was only half!
That claim goes against sworn testimony from people who knew and lived with MB.
This mess is getting clearer and clearer!

Anonymous said...

Those of us who know Robert Smith, who grew up with him and saw the tragic childhood, from the hateful beginning of an innocent child being thrust into a miserable existence, with two welfare minded parents (can you say government cheese) who spent as much of their time eating as drinking (with the exception of hating); never providing a proper loving environment and perhaps instead breeding hatred towards those who did work hard to provide a proper upbringing for their children because they miserably failed at that. I don't recall Victor or Marie ever doing anything except inflicting pain upon their children because of their miserable deficiencies as parents, and because hate breeds hate, that is why MB decendants are in this predicament. Those of us who saw Robert grow into a young man began to see the monster began to emerge. As this victim of his own upbringing began to show the monster that would become Pala's most hateful and horrible leader, saw the monster develop his skills as a party loving (alcohol and highballs) bully/monster. Keep the cocaine flowing and the Limousines rolling. Mix in a little rape here and a little drug dealing there and your monster starts to emerge into young adulthood. I see you, robert smith, I know you and you can't fool me. Soon, you pair this failure of a human being up with a greedy, like minded lawyer and with time you create the perfect team of corruption. Using sovereignty to now rape the people, taking away the citizenship of anyone who threatens their little racket, its tragic how none of us saw this coming, but if you know Dicksteins prior actions with other tribes, then you'll understand this as nothing more than Dickstein's usual modus operandi. Smith, unfortunately, is too dumb to know how to execute this plan, he is limited to bullying and threatening, but with Dickstein at the reins, the beginning of taking away the citizenship of rightful descendants now can fully commence. This isn't what sovereignty is about? Bad leaders and greedy, money hungry lawyer"s who wont stop at anything to protect their most precious cash cow. Dickstein probably instituted the concept of banishments and disenrollments as a method of dealing with us "dumb" Indians who threatened to expose him. Look up what he told Paula Lorenzo at Rumsey or what he did to Jessica Tavares at United Auburn, and it will be apparent to you what lengths Duckstein will go to protect HIS empire. I know his bully/enforcer (smith) has done everything to paint MB descendants as troublemakers, violating ICRAS's freedom of speech clauses by telling the tribe that when we speak out, we are threatening the tribe, but the casino enterprise is the only thing Dickstein cares about. In fact, he probably thinks he's more entitled to it than the people of Pala and his rumored 5% is much more indicative of his worth to the tribe than you'd paltry .00015% tribal citizens, so step back away you unworthy people and let the man and his partners feast at THEIR table. If you play your cards carefully and in line with Dicksteins plan, you may just get an extra .00015 bonus or orthodox get to ride in a luxurious cessna on a weekend golf trip and a t shirt that says "I sold my soul to Dickstein/Smith, participated in the rape of my people and all I got was this lousy shirt, an expensive 3 day stay at this fancy hotel and a fully paid round of golf at (insert name of rediculously expensive and exclusive golf resort name here). I see you cronies. What a bunch of bull.

Anonymous said...

Are you talking about pebble beach?
I know who has been going there,thanks for fixing the last election Nona.

Anonymous said...

I'm a warrior! I'm going to sit here in my boxers and blog about this until the cows come home!
If my ancestors acted like you I wouldn't be an Indian now!
If you don't fight for your rights and the rights of your decendents you don't deserve to be "Indian"

Anonymous said...

NONA? NOOOOO! NOT NONA, SHT VB TAUGHT HER WELL ALSO! MAN IT KEEPS GETTING CLEARER AND CLEARER. I COULD SEE HOW A LITTLE FIB CAN COVER A MULTITUDE OF GREEDYNESS. WHEN YOU ARE ON THE RITE TEAM, VB RAISED HER TO BE A GREAT ELECTION FIXER! IT MUST TAKE TACKTIC AND SKILL TO BE THAT GAMEFULL!!!! IT MOST DEFINATELY MUST RUN IN THE FAMILY, AFTER ALL SHE IS A DECENDANT OF MB,RITE. WINNN AT ALL COST IS THE PLAN! WEATHER YOU HAVE TO LIE CHEAT AND STEAL. MAKES SENSE

Anonymous said...

If she's fixing elections, she sure isn't doing for the Brittain's. Let me see, when was the last time an MB family member was chairman. Must be 25 years or so, eh? You guys really must be desperate if you think people are swallowing these allegations.

On the other hand, color coded ballots, open access to ballot boxes, no verification of counts, and RS in Vegas at election time telling people he's got it in the bag, are typical of the current election process in Pala.

Oh let me guess, it MB's descendents who are to blame, and King Freeman is doing it, and those Trujillos are the ones that are lying, cheating, and stealing. After all they have no access to the money, most of them can't even vote anymore, and so they have to cheat to not get elected.

I suggest you buy your brains somewhere else beside Wal-Mart. Those cheap brands don't work so good for you.

Anonymous said...

Fixed elections backed by Illegal YAQUI VOTES.
How did Leroy get on the ballot?
NONA!

Anonymous said...

By being elected. So now , tell me this, what does that election committe do? Why would Eric Ortega back that up? Really, who was in charge of the election this year? ASK THEM THE QUESTIONS,!

Anonymous said...

Nona and Eric both know what they did. They enabled certain events to occur and, in some cases, blocked events from happening. They are enablers. If you dig into their finances, would you find pay offs, or look at their salaries, would you find they are paid 3x, 5x or 10x above the normal rate? A forensic audit would uncover these type of discrepancies. I am just saying...

Anonymous said...

Everyone knows that , so then why don't she (Nona) get told by anyone? Call her out on it, all anybody can do is complain on this blog, when you come face to face its all good and dandy. Cuzzin Ann Trujijjo knows how to work it too, all she does is play BOTHE sides , while her hand is out for her pay off. Don't let them fool you. Even your own can be holding the knife to your back. Now days can't trust anyone!

Anonymous said...

I agree with you about cuzin ann she plays both sides how sad she doesnt back us up or warn us. Someone should whip her up or teach her a lesson on family loyalty. She could of helped 162 members of her family but she just let those evil people hurt and destroy us. But were not going down without a fight.

Anonymous said...

She loves that money!!! So watch her!

Anonymous said...

Bad apples in every bunch,everyone knows Ann is not trust worthy!
If you associate yourself with crap that's what you become!( rs and the executive/business/enrollment committee)
I guess the allure of easy money was too much for her weak soul!
And they(the EC) turned on her!

justiceforpaladisenrolled said...

It is so sad that money can rule peoples conscience. For people to turn on their own famliy members because of money is just awful. Their ancestors must be looking down and frowning in disbelief and feeling betrayedthat they would behave that way. I would be afraid of the evil that would come my way from doing such a thing. Robert Smith should really be afraid of what the spirits of his and our ancestors will do to him for doing this to their tribe. I am glad I am not in his shoes. I hope they have mercy on his soul and send help his way to make him a better person and to help make to overcome the evil he is doing to himself.