Friday, March 12, 2010

Pechanga's Banished Family Member, Joe Liska, Explains his Case on YouTUBE UPDATE

UPDATE:

Joe Liska wins another round. Court extends dates and will help serve the Pechanga Tribal Council. Please read the comments for more. The judge's curiosity is piqued by the attendance in court.

Joe Liska, is related to Mary Bear Magee and Gloria Wright. They have the same father, Pechanga member, Fred Magee. The two women have worked to keep hundreds out of the Pechanga Tribe and also, by design, their OWN BROTHER. Additionally, these two women were part of the CPP that helped lead the termination of 230 adults.

Mr. Liska has run a few suits through the courts and he explains in this video, what he's doing. Thank you Joe, for doing this, for standing up when so many members won't.


Lastly, he brings up a great point about how the Pechanga Band of Luiseno Indians get recognized as such. The tribe was federally recognized as the TEMECULA BAND of Luiseno Indians.




68 comments:

Anonymous said...

hay joe may the power of all disenrolled and all moratorium people be with you our family and i hope others will be with you we will be at the court house good luck

Anonymous said...

When is the court case? In March? And Where?

Anonymous said...

MARCH 8 1000 AM 900 FRONT ST SAN DIEGO DOWNTOWN OFF HIGHWAY 5 DEPT 1IRMA GONZALLES CASE 08 CV 1872 BIG BLOCK COPPER BUILDING.

JOE LISKA HELD UP THE COURT EVICTION NOTICE OF THE 300 ORIGINAL MEMBERS IN COURT LAST TIME AND THE TRIBES ATTORNEY COULD NOT DEFEND WHY MEMBERS ON THE COUNCIL WERE NOT FROM THE LIST,ALL HE COULD STATE WAS PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION MR LISKA IS A PRIVATE PERSON,,,,,THIS TIME LISKA HAS A VERIFIED CRIMINAL COMPLAINT REGARDING THIS ISSUE RECEIVED BY THE US ATTTORNEYS OFFICE ,,PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION DOES NOT APPLY HERE,,,LISKA IS A VICTIM ALONG WITH OTHERS,,,,,,,YOU WILL WANT TO SEE THIS,,,IF THE COURT RULES HE IS A VICTIM THIS CAN BE HUGE FOR ALL,,,,LISTEN TO HIS VIDEO ,HE HAS ALREADY DONE WHAT OTHERS ARE THINKING!

youtube viewer said...

damn joe you hit another five star rating on youtube after half a day,someone likes your videos.

Anonymous said...

It would be a good idea to rate the video an to watch it each day.

Anonymous said...

yes interesting joe,41 views in 18 hours ,your other video 42 views in a month,and 28 views in 2 months,mmmm

Anonymous said...

Well thanks for providing an explanation of what's going on with your case, it's very interesting.

Anonymous said...

If the "Pechanga splinter group" is not willing to rectify the disenrollment and banishment evils that have been done, close them down!

We have nothing to lose if the casino is closed, they have much to lose..
it would be financally sound for them to do the correct thing for all the moratorium and disenrolled people now before the courts rule.

Eventually all their payoff "protection" will not be enough to keep the truth (or at least the right angle of truth) out of court.
At which time all their "friends" will rapidly flee the scene to once again smuggly watch from afar as the Indians lose again.

Slow destruction is occuring from within even as we speak. Who amoung us did not say, "Oh it won't happen to us"...Pechanga splinter it will happen!
Only this time you will be the victim.

Let us all unite again, only then are we a safe people.

JOE LISKA said...

ATTENTION PEOPLE IN THE OTHER CASE ON PECHANGA .INFO THE FAKE TRIBAL COUNCIL MEMBER STATES THEY DETERMINE MEMBERSHIP AND TELLS BIA THEY CAN,T DO NOTHING,,,,HE QUOTES THE FAMOUS SANTA CLARA MARTINEZ CASE FOR PROTECTION ,,,,THE BIA WON,T THE US ATTORNEY GENERALS OFFICE WILL SANTA CLARA MARTINEZ CASE WILL NOT PROTECT HIM HES WRONG HERES PROOF

There are several reasons why the Santa Clara ruling does not control this case. First, in the case at hand, the government is asserting jurisdiction under § 241, not under the ICRA. The only reason the ICRA needs to be referenced at all in this case is to establish that a right to be free from fraud in a tribal election does indeed exist under the laws of the United States. There is nothing in the language of Santa Clara to indicate that the rights under the ICRA are nonexistent or in any way invalid. Instead, Santa Clara dealt with how those rights may be enforced, and concluded they could not be enforced through a private right of action, in a civil lawsuit. Nothing in Santa Clara addresses the U.S. government's right or obligation to assume criminal jurisdiction when one of its laws of generally applicability is violated. Additionally, tribal immunity is not at issue in the present criminal case.


PS 101 VIEWS ALREADY YOUTUBE DOUBLED IN HOURS,,,,

joe said...

THANK YOU FOR THE SUPPORT MY 18 YEAR OLD DAUGHTER WILL BE WITH ME AT THE HEARING,,,,,WIN OR LOSE I CAN LEAVE THAT MEMORY WITH HER ABOUT HER FATHER! THATS REALLY WHAT LIFE IS ALL ABOUT,,,

Anonymous said...

So in terms of you getting enrolled; is your family supportive and willing to help. It's to my understanding just about every enrolled family has a few family members that were left behind. I would think if all of these family were willing to help it might get a few people out of the mortatorium.

Anonymous said...

I DON,T HAVE MUCH CONTACT WITH MY FAMILY UP THERE,I BELIEVE ALL MEMBERS WANT THE MORARORIUM IN PLACE FOREVER!

SEVERAL PEOPLE SPEAK OF MY SISTERS BUT AT LEAST THEY DON,T CALL TRIBAL RANGERS TO HAVE ME ARRESTED LIKE I HAVE SEEN HAPPEN IN THE LAST FEW WEEKS.(FURTHERMORE) I BELIEVE IF I ASK THEM TO DRIVE ME TO MY FATHERS GRAVESITE THEY WOULD!


BUT THATS MY ISSUE,,,

Anonymous said...

dear anonymous the only place they would drive you to is the ranger station to question you about who you are what you are there for and what business you have their and if you can you will have to show proof of any ownership to any land you might own. and what would happen next get a hold of your self because on your next visit you will more then likly recive your banishment papers good luck from a person who knows

Anonymous said...

dear anonymous the only place they would drive you to is the ranger station to question you about who you are what you are there for and what business you have their and if you can you will have to show proof of any ownership to any land you might own. and what would happen next get a hold of your self because on your next visit you will more then likly recive your banishment papers good luck from a person who knows

Anonymous said...

So are you saying all non-members are being banished? Because I assume the Hunters that live on or that are visiting their family that live on the reservation will not be banished, along with non-members that rent or have land on the reservation. To my understanding there are about 300 people that live on the reservation and only about half of them are members. I also assume that both members and non-member can have visitors and that those people would not be banished.

little bee buzz buzz said...

To the tribal memeber that just posted ,don,t start to pretend that its ok for non members to be there,we no what your up to!

young bull said...

I want to step on someones throat,oop did I say that!

Anonymous said...

Joe ,I like your second new video on youtube temecula indian pride is that your homeland security uniform? maybe they should put your temecula pride video on this same page!

Anonymous said...

Yeah, I am still not a tribal member, and I was just asking a question. I've been on the reservation hundreds of times and they just ask where I'm going/who I'm going to see and my name.

Are you really telling me that Hunter family members that live on the reservation are not allow to enter?

Plus I know there are many other non-members that live on the reservation (renters) and or have land or rights to land on the reservation, and you're saying that these people are not allowed to enter?

Anonymous said...

MALICE; they target certain people and make their lives hell. Intimidation, threats, illegal detentions...you name it, they've done it.

O Pechanga said...

Please be sure to watch this video on YouTube and rate it too

joe liska said...

I have no more comment till the hearing check out the video.

Anonymous said...

This is a good video. More people should watch it.

Anonymous said...

joe,

enjoy your day with your daughter march 8th it will last forever in her mind!

Anonymous said...

anonymous not all just the ones that have Relitives that live on the rez that are building things on land that is not theirs. and can come up with some BOGUS lie to keep them out or for some other reason they your family or someone that lives on the rez doesnt whant you out their

Anonymous said...

Joe,

You might want to throw in the fact that you're a California Native whose family took part in the California Indian Land Claims Settlement (if they did?). If your family was part of the Land Claims settlement and received payment for lands and services from the Federal Government, then you're not a "private citizen" but a Federally Recognized California Indian. Provide your BIA Certificate Degree of Indian Blood showing that you and your family are descendants of the tribe.

It's just food for thought. Hey, throw the kitchen sink at them and hope that something sticks!

Best,
Andrew

JOE said...

THANKS ANDREW,,,

THEY CAN,T SAY I,M NOT A CALIFORNIA INDIAN THE TRIBE HAS GIVEN ME A LETTER OF VERIFICATION THAT I AM MARY MAGEE,S BROTHER BUT NOT BEING ENROLLED BECAUSE OF THE MORATORIUM ,FURTHERMORE THE LETTER OF EXCLUSION OR BANISHMENT REFERS TO ME ALSO AS PAUL JAMES MAGEE.

THE COURTS STATE I WAS NOT ON THE TRIBAL ROLLS SO I LOST NOTHING!

BUT I HAVE CASE LAW IN MY FAVOR I WILL TALK ABOUT THAT AT THE HEARING(AGAIN)AND ABOUT ANOTHER BOMB SHELL BUT COME TO THE HEARING AND FIND OUT!

I DON,T MEAN REAL BOMB BIG BROTHER,SO DONT PAT ME DOWN LIKE A DIRT BAG LEAVE THAT FOR THE DIRT BAG TERRORISTS THAT TRY TO #### WITH OUR COUNTRY!

HOMELAND SECURITY TEMECULA WARRIOR

joe said...

PS JUDGE GONZALES SAID I CANNOT HAVE A FILM CREW INSIDE THE COURT FILMING BUT I CAN OUTSIDE!

INDIAN COUNTRY FILM !

Anonymous said...

Anyone wishing to be in the film be at the courthouse at 900am march 8, 9oo front st ,san diiego federal court.

Anonymous said...

anonymous says lets get the filming show the storys of the lies of keeping true desendents from thier lands and rightful place as temecula mission indians Phil Ibenez had said years ago you will not have access to your home on our road water or electric services if you move to your land I dont know if member above has no ties or not but he must not have lands that pechanga wants or he to would be excluded attend federal hearing justice for all

Anonymous said...

hey have you seen the pechanga careers casino video ,family business youtube haha

Anonymous said...

I WOULD POST REZ PHOTOS UNDER THIS ARTICLE LIKE ON PECHANGA.INFO BUT I CAN,T DOWNLOAD THEM!

Anonymous said...

be careful at the hearing,

Anonymous said...

Joe you need all that have been left behind to UNITE for this court date banished ,disenrolled, moratorium STAND and UNITE KEEP THE FIGHT

joe liska said...

I CANNOT POST EVERYTHING HERE BECAUSE I DON,T WANT THE TRIBE TO SEE IT BUT THERE IS SOME HEAVY CRAP COMING DOWN NOW AS WE SPEAK ,I FILED A FEW DAYS AGO SOME EVIDENCE AND SHIT IS HITTING THE FAN,I WILL NOT GO INTO IT!

BUT U.S BIG SHOTS ARE TRYING TO COVER THEIR A^^^^ I HAVE RIGHTS THAT HAVE BEEN STEPPED ON AND THESE ISSUES WILL COME OUT AT THE HEARING (I DON,T THINK YOU WANT TO MISS THIS)WE ARE WALKING DOWN A DARK ALLEY TOGETHER!!!!!(ANYTHING CAN HAPPEN)


WE ARE UNITED (WE STAND TOGETHER IN THE DARK ALLEY)

Anonymous said...

THEY WERE GIVEN A CHANCE TO SETTLE WITH ME ,WHAT EVER HAPPENS IS THEIR FAULT NOT MINE!

Anonymous said...

Good Luck Mr. Liska.

Thank you for what you are doing. Too bad other Pechanga people aren't working as hard as you.

And it's really too bad that some family members would do this to others...

joe said...

I DID NOTHING,THEY MADE ME DO WHAT I DID!


LIKE IN THE MOVIE BRAVEHEART ,THEY CUT HIS WIFES THROAT AND KILLED HER,THEY MADE WILLIAM WALLACE DO WHAT HE FELT HE HAD TO DO! (THEY WOKE UP THE SLEEPING GIANT)!

OTHER PEOPLE ARE DOING THINGS,BEING BRAVE COMES IN MANY DIFFERENT FORMS!!!!!

Anonymous said...

I am part of the indian trust land back in 1972 I have a roll number through the government, told the enrollment committie about it, they scratched their heads and said what roll number, must be through the bia! So that makes me more of an indian than any of those tribal people. Go figure

joe said...

FEDERAL JUDGES MOVES JOE LISKA,S CASE TO MARCH 12 FRIDAY 1030 AM SAME PLACE MMMMMMMMMMMMM YOU TUBE VIDEO COMING PLEASE POST VIDEO OP!

joe said...

GETTING TO DEEP NO FURTHER COMMENT FOR SECURITY REASONS ,,,,PEOPLE CAN CONTACT ME,,,,,,MARCH 12 1030AM NEW HEARING ,,,,,

cowboy said...

show down in no man,s land!

'aamokat said...

Anonymous said...
"I am part of the indian trust land back in 1972 I have a roll number through the government, told the enrollment committie about it, they scratched their heads and said what roll number, must be through the bia! So that makes me more of an indian than any of those tribal people. Go figure"

I have one of those roll numbers too, it was from the 1968 judgement for California Indians, but as a direct descendant of Paulina Hunter I was disenrolled anyway.

I remember telling some Apaches I knew about our disenrollment and they asked me if I had a roll number and when I told them I did have one they couldn't understand how it happened to me.

Your are right, go figure.

Anonymous said...

OP IHAVE NEW VIDEO THEY ARE SHORT AND EASY TO DOWNLOAD CAN YOU PUT THEM ON THIS BLOG?

Anonymous said...

Where is everyone stuck in limbo start blogging we have major work to do

Anonymous said...

an object to crave,,,,,,,,,,,,your not alone ,,,,,,,,waters you have never been in,,,,,,,,,,,,,maybe this might be a good day to die!

Anonymous said...

your people are weak!!!!!!and they have no heart!,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

wheres the paublo apis clan ?

they are fake and will not be at the sorry ass liska hearing !


300 sorry ass people they are fake wake up!!!!!!

oe said...

getting ready for court 8 45 will let you no what happens ,,,,hope it turns ok !!!!!!!!

joe said...

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JOE said...

LISKA WINS ROUND!!!!!!TRIBES ATTORNEYS DOES NOT SHOW UP ?????

JUDGE GIVES LISKA MORE TIME TO SERVE MACARRO ,,,,,,,,,,JUDGE STATES THEY WILL SERVE THEM IF THEY HAVE TO.

US MARSHALS THERE AND US ATTORNEY GENERALS AID THERE THERE TO TAKE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT ,,,,,,,,,,,,,,WOW ,,,,,,,,,,,,JUDGE TALKS TO TOSOBOLS AND HUNTERS THAT WERE PRESENT IN COURTROOM!!!!!!!WOW JUDGE AGREE ABOUT US ATTORNEY INVOLVEMENT!

JOE said...

POWER COMES IN MANY FORMS,,,,JUST 12 PEOPLE IN THE COURT THE HUNTERS THE TOSOBOLS ,,URIAS, AND THE JUDGE ASK WHO THEY ARE !!!!!!


WARRIORS

Anonymous said...

we need all to be warriors to get back which was stolen unite to fight

creeper said...

On May 10, in the same court,
we need more warriors from all families, moratorium, disenrolled and banished to be there to support Joe.
The Judge noticed the people sitting in the room and she asked

"are these your supporters?"
Joe:
"yes your Honor they are descendants of the families the Rios and the Hunters, who where disenrolled , banished and in the moratorium by the
SHADOW GOVERNMENT OF THE PECHANGA TRIBE"
A U.S.MARSHALL WAS THERE AND LISTENED TO IT ALL.

The bottom line is that we need
to be there at the next hearing in BIG NUMBERS TO GET NOTICED.
Good job Joe.

joe said...

WHAT CREEPER SAID IS TRUE,,,ABOUT 10 U.S MARSHALS AND U.S ATTORNEY PEOPLE,,,,WERE IN AND OUT OF THE COURT THE WHOLE TIME(SUITS)THERE MAY HAVE BEEN FBI TO !

THEY ALL SHOWED US RESPECT BECAUSE OF THE WAY WE HANDLED OURSELVES

EXCEPT ONE PRIVATE SECURITY GUARD WHO TOLD ME I NEEDED A PERMIT TO FILM (I TOLD HIM NO I DON,T )I TOLD HIM U.S MARSHALS SAID I OK WITH WHAT I AM DOING!!!(HE LEFT AFTER THAT)!

Anonymous said...

It was the tosabol family and the hunters that were present at joes hearing. they are the true indians! Where were all the others? Waiting for something to happen? Get on the band wagon, we need support! We cant do it all by ourselves,And for those with the negative comments? keep them to yourselves! justice is coming! Praise be to mr Liska the tosabol family,and the Hunters with out them we would be nowhere!

shifty pete said...

THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION (WHERE ARE THE OTHERS)IS THAT IN FACT THEY ARE NOT TEMECULA INDIAN ,I BELIEVE THE TRIBE DID DISENROLL SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE TRULY NOT TEMECULA INDIAN (I HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT GETTING CHECKS AND LAUGHING BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT INDIAN!

THAT MAYBE PART OF WHATS HAPPENING HERE!

White Buffalo said...

shifty pete said...

"THE ONLY POSSIBLE ANSWER TO YOUR QUESTION (WHERE ARE THE OTHERS)IS THAT IN FACT THEY ARE NOT TEMECULA INDIAN ,I BELIEVE THE TRIBE DID DISENROLL SOME PEOPLE THAT WERE TRULY NOT TEMECULA INDIAN (I HEARD PEOPLE TALKING ABOUT GETTING CHECKS AND LAUGHING BECAUSE THEY WERE NOT INDIAN!"

Listen dude your talking out your ass or the side of your neck.

You know I try very hard to be nice, I have also explained that I do what I can with what I have. I have also said that I have to work so that I can have a place to live. Therefore, when you say that because I was not there that I do not belong, well I do and you talk a lot of crap. I think you would not accept me even if I was there. In fact remember when I seen you Joe L just the other week at a meeting with the Tosabol family and the Hunters, and you acted like you did not want to even shake my hand much less talk to me. Or am I mistaken when I tried to talk to you, and you could not be bothered with me because there were more important people there, so you just blow me off. I have never disrespected you. to all those who think that I am not Indian well how come you never say anything to my face. Our family line is Apis and you all know we are legitimit so cut the crap. I am not afraid of your hurtfull words, nor you.. Hey next time there is something that I can go to why don't you offer me a ride I can pay gass then maybe I would be able to go. good going today Joe I burn Sage for you and the rest of the families

joe liska said...

WOW,,,,,HEY CREEPER DOES ANYBODY LIVE UP BY MR NUNEZ (WHITE BUFFALO)
MAYBE YOU COULD CARPOOL WITH HIM NEXT HEARING ? I THINK HE SHOULD SEE THIS AND BE PART OF!


AS FAR AS THE PERSON POSTING THE TOSOBOLS AND THE HUNTERS BEING THE ONLY TRUE INDIANS THATS NOT TRUE,,,,,,,I WOULD BE NICE TO GET ONE FAMILY MEMEBER FRON EACH CLAN,,,SO THEY COULD PASS DOWN INFO.

Anonymous said...

way to try to unite Joe remember we have a lot of evil forces against us Thanks for being their for all unite for the fight all of us need to pull TOGETHER

stand your ground said...

Can we stop with the hate speech already............................

shifty pete's comments can not be taken serious...
I think we all know that.
The Apis, Tosobol, Hunter's are all true Pechanga. All are involved
and working together.
Some people where there at Joe Liska's hearing to support him and some people could not make it that day, for various reasons, they will be there next time.
The two AIRRO Board Members who where there watched the hearing and supported Joe.
I would think that it is not easy to be in a Federal Court, one person against a powerful Tribe,
sort of like David against Goliath.
We wish Joe well at his next hearing.

joe liska said...

DO YOU LIKE WHAT YOU SEE MY SISTERS?

POWER IS THESE PEOPLE IN COURT!

I DON,T CARE IF I WIN OR LOSE!

THE POINT IS TO SHOW THE U.S GOV THIS IS THE WORSE CASE CIVIL RIGHTS VIOLATIONS THE WORLD HAS EVER SEEN!

PRO SE PLANTIFF I HAVE ALOT OF RIGHTS IN COURT!

joe said...

IF MY BROTHERS AND SISTERS THAT COME TO COURT CAN SEE WIN OR LOSE MEANS NOTHING,THAT THIS IS FOR ALL IN INDIAN COUNTRY THEN THEY WILL HAVE PEACE IN THEIR HEARTS!

White Buffalo said...

Thanks for the words Joe, you know I am in the fight with you. That dude just pissed me off and I vented some say its the Indian in me. We stll ride the turtles back no matter what the casino Indians say

joe said...

PLEASE GO TO FACEBOOK AND SEE MY THREE VIDEO,S I SPEAK ABOUT WHAT HAPPENED AT COURT SEARCH WARPONY2310@YAHOO.COM TO FIND MY ACCOUNT ADD YOU AS FRIEND!

joe said...

federal court video live on facebook 4 videos

Anonymous said...

GREAT FILMING THE REAL PEOPLE ARE TRULY REAL AND VERY TRUTHFUL UNLIKE PECHANGA BAND, NOT powerful like them YET but you see my people Let us learn from their evilways to treat our people as we would want to be treated ourselves, no division CONGRATULATIONS TO ALL NATIONS

joe said...

STAND STRONG,,,,STAND STRONG,,,STAND STRONG,,,,,