Tuesday, August 18, 2009

The Pechanga Lies About Tribal Membership Show Incompetence from Enrollment Committee

A commenter from the CPP faction of Pechanga Band of Luiseno Indians routinely tries to shunt aside arguments of the Manuela Miranda family and Hunter family disenrollments as "simply correcting the errors in enrollment."

Well, the CPP had the perfect opportunity to put their money where their mouths were, but:


G-R-E-E-D + C-O-R-R-U-P-T-I-O-N + D-I-S-H-O-N-E-S-T-Y
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C-O-N-C-E-R-N-E-D P-E-C-H-A-N-G-A P-E-O-P-L-E



At the most recent membership meeting, a dilemma came up: The tribal enrollment committee recently 'discovered' nine applications that were submitted prior to the unconstitutional moratorium.

That brings up a few questions:

1. What happened to these applications? How could they be "lost" in a very small office?

2. Who had access to these papers and how did they suddenly become "discovered".

3. How incompetent are the members of the disenrollment committee. (remember, they disenrolled more people in the past 10 years than they enrolled)

Well, instead of doing the "right thing" and enrolling the nine applicants. The 'right' thing in correcting the tribal rolls by adding those who submitted their applications as required. The enrollment committee brings the question to the people.

All of a sudden, the general membership can now rule on enrolling members? Remember, the corrupt tribal council has ruled that the membership had no authority to halt the disenrollments of the Hunter family.

Well, a raucus meeting ensues. At these meetings, you get to speak by lining up at the microphone. Here's what sources had to say:

The Chairwoman of the enrollment committee presented to the General Membership at the last meeting that they found 9 applications for enrollment that were submitted before the moratorium but were never processed.

They wanted to know what to do with these applications. (process into the membership or not) The people discussed them at the mic and some of the comments were "do we have to share our $$ with them?"

When it came to a vote it was an overwhelming "NOT to enroll them".

Okay, so the tribe was NOT concerned about correcting the tribal rolls, or, they'd accept these applications. MONEY and GREED triumphed over what is right. Here is the kicker, GUESS which family the applications belonged to?

The enrollment committee was not allowed to say who these 9 apps were but everyone there knew (word leaked out) that they were all from the Murphy family!


That means that the tribe REFUSED to admit family of members ALREADY in the tribe! Was there a question about their lineage? IF so, shouldn't the whole Murphy family be evicted? After all, that family has NO lineal descent to a Pechanga person.
The members didn't want to do the right thing, which would have been to:
1. Enroll the members if they were valid, as the applications came in before the moratorium
2. Give per capita dating back to the moratorium which would have been somewhere near $1.4 MILLION dollars. to the nine.
So, when Pechanga Chairman Mark Macarro said "it wasn't about the money". Was he lying?
What say you?

56 comments:

Anonymous said...

Of course it is about the money. Greed, corruption and MONEY have always been the evil motivator for these so called "Concerned Pechanga People". Its all about the money. Time is on our side though because these corrupt people are going to be exposed and within the walls of Congress the sovereign crap that these people have been regurgitating is going to come to an end. Very few people know that a Hunter is also a member of Congress and has been quietly working the changes to come. Enjoy CPP, your time is marked. Be prepared to explain yourselves.

Anonymous said...

Hey cousin, I am also aware of this and the ground work being down now. Imagine when Markie Macarro has to decide which documents to burn or shred as the walls come closing in. All the documents which have already been removed from the Tribe and are in archive and copied relating to membership etc are all going to come out. Imagine the look on the BIA's faces when they are called before Congress to explain their lack of action and incompetence. It is going to be a real show.

Anonymous said...

I don't think anyone ever told any one about our cousin in the House of Representatives. I guess it was always just kept low key because of what needed to be done. Can't wait.

Anonymous said...

Cant wait to see the faces of Murphy, Macarro, Jennie Miranda and Porn King Burbee when they are subpoened before Congress in November. It is about time. Boys, (and lady) you cant hide behind sovereignty this time. Congress has your number and your documents. Cant wait to see you get out of this one. No courts or tribal boundaries, or other bogus Indian crap can get you out of this one.

'aamokat said...

So this proves what our relative who was on the enrollment committee and what family members from the Manuela Miranda family said in 2003 is true that people who had their membership applications in before the deadline for the moratorium were not enrolled but I believe it was with the full knowledge of the CPP controlled majority of the enrollment committee.

Well our family member and the people from the M. Mirandas as well as a member of the Garbonis, who reportedly the CPP tried again to disenroll last year despite that disenrollment is not a part of tribal law anymore, went to the tribal council but they did nothing about it.

And then those CPP faction people on the enrollment committee were allowed to vote us out of the tribe because they had the slight majority on the committee and on the council.

So the moratorium and disenrollment are two sides of the same coin and are directly related.

Also, I believe there are many more than the nine people whose applications supposedly recently surfaced that were in before the moratorium deadline and that this will all come out soon.

Below is going to be my sign off slogan from now on!

RETURN PECHANGA TO THE RULE OF LAW AND AWAY FROM THE LAWLESSNESS THAT HAS INFECTED OUR TRIBE!

Anonymous said...

We still live in a country of laws. Despite the fact that some BELIEVE they can hide behind sovereignty to do their deeds, we are a nation of laws and even the Indian Tribes will be held accountable. Justice moves slowly but in the end it is more often just and fair. It appears that the time is slowly winding down and accountability and explanation will become the order of the day. This is good news to hear and I am looking forward to seeing the day when ALL indians must prove their bloodlines once and for all. The day is almost upon us. Anonymity is best so as not to give any upper hand to an already corrupt council and tribal government. Best of luck to all in the coming months. Justice is on our side.

Anonymous said...

Well said cousin. I have heard and seen a little of what is to come. Keep your faith and know that in this world those who seek to disrupt, cheat or corrupt will be called to account and face their accusers in a proper forum where the balance of justice is not shielded by Treaty or implied immunity such as sovereignty. Truth will prevail. The only question is what happens to those who are exposed for their misdeeds? Time will tell.

Anonymous said...

Also many thanks to our cousin and all the contributors on this blog. The time for talk is done. The actions and exposure of these injustices are what matter in order to move things forward. The enrollment committee (joke) and the Tribal Council of Pechanga need to realize that they have played their cards long enough. Let everyone know that this is not over until justice prevails. Justice is not the decision of the Tribal Council nor the Enrollment Committee. It will be the order of Law and the actions of the government whose responsibility it is to not let these abuses go on that will make the difference. Support the documentaries, the upcoming outdoor advertising, and other commercials scheduled to hit the air waves in October and November.

Anonymous said...

Hey Macarro, you are not the only charismatic Indian Spokesperson out there. You will soon be introduced to someone who will expose you for all that you are and you cant do anything about it. You have known for a long time that the documents that can expose you were taken a long time ago, yes thats right, emails, files, and other documents. Good lucky covering up your LIES and other BS. YOU will be EXPOSED for the liar that you are and Butchy Murphy will be EXPOSED for the non-Indian he truly is. CPP, we are coming after you.

Anonymous said...

Cousin, dont forget all the Pechanga youngsters (Thugs). They will be exposed for who they are and they will also be held accountable. Advertising and word of mouth are very powerful especially when the truth is done in media, print and written form. Confirmed BIA documents, other notarized statements professional expert testimony, it will all come out and then we can begin to re-build that which was so wrongly taken away in the first place.

Anonymous said...

To all of our elders, and most important of all the Great Paulina Hunter, that which is about to come is done in honor of your memory and the proud heritage you have given us. NO ONE can ever vote that away from us. We are who we are and time will make you proud of your sons and daughters who stood up for you.

O Pechanga said...

The time for talking is not over. The tribe should be talking to their membership and saying WE MADE A MISTAKE.

They can recover from this mess by doing the right thing.

Tribal members, YOU have lost money for the tribe because the tribal council acted outside the constitution. People are noticing. The tribe had to spend $50 MILLION more to defend Prop 94 than the other tribes did to defend their propositions.

The bad and evil spirits have hurt the tribe.

The quick payoff you got for stabbing other members in the heart, through their backs will end when Californian approve gaming through the state.

YOU can influence that by doing the honorable thing and bringing home the people and that INCLUDES the moratorium people. The resulting press can be phenomenal and we can help that here.

There will be MORE articles coming, more focus on the civil rights that were violated by the tribal council and more focus on WHICH tribes S. Californians should support.

Look into your hearts and think about how you have hurt the elders and YOUR own ancestors by what you have done.

Cesar said...

There is more than 1 california tribe loosing applications. It's a sad case. This is really a case of tribal governance and crooks taking over our tribes.

Anonymous said...

Just curious O Pehanga..so are you saying that if they take all the members that have been kicked out back in...that all of this will go away?....for months you have been saying how bad these people are...so would that also include the removal of the "bad" tribal members that screwed all of you over?...the citizens of California have a long memory...and we wont forget so fast!!

Anonymous said...

@Anonymous
The tribe voted to stop all dis-enrollments by majority vote before the Hunter removal. This would stand unless changed by majority vote, as it should have been and should be. I could see the concern that retribution would be taken and I understand that. But really I don't think that is the answer and would be highly hypocritical. That, as I understand it, is not our position.

Anonymous said...

Well you are telling us how dangerous the Casino is and how rotten the guards are and how we will be cheated....what difference would it make if they put you all back in the tribe?...the only ones to benefit would be you...us ..as patrons would still be screwed!..kind of self serving on your part ..unless the bad people are removed and the golf course turned back into "sacred land"...these are things that you have made the general public aware of.

O Pechanga said...

1. If all who are supposed to be are in, the votes change and that can effect hiring and policies at the casino.

2. The future of lands coming into the tribe as sacred, a lie that Macarro perpetrated, will cease.

3. "Bad tribal members" power and influence will be lessened.

4. Legal counsel, such as Holland and Knight can be changed.

Luiseno said...

"....what difference would it make if they put you all back in the tribe?."

It would bring the rule of law back into the tribe. The behavior of thuggish guards would not be taken lightly and would be dealt with. Yes we would benefit, but so would the public. In that corruption would be rooted out and dealt with. I myself would be against any disenrollments, and believe that everyone who is a member of the Band should remain a member for the rest of there life.

But the main reason is because the Tribe would be making an effort to do the right thing.

O Pechanga said...

Also, there are HUNDREDS of people caught in the moratorium that are entitled to, deserve, should be included in all tribal affairs. It would mean that per capita would be reduced, but that MANY more will benefit and take more of that burden from the state and place it where it belongs: To the tribes.

Anonymous said...

To the CPP -- THE SPOTLIGHT is UPON YOU. Be prepared to defend your lies and indiscretions. Finally a higher power is going to sort out fact from Fiction (BS mostly). We have the documents which will expose your lies and corrupt behavior. We asked you to do the right thing. It is obvious you did not listen or are to above your heads in these matters. You thought we would go away. BIG MISTAKE! Enjoy spending your money defending yourselves. You are about to be confronted from MANY sides at the same time.

wiaasal said...

They are all cowards. Run and hide, maybe under your bed. It's gonna be a crazy time in the near future. distance yourself from those lying back stabbing CPP. Oh wait you can't, too much documentation. What will we do?

Anonymous said...

You must here this!!!!!

1.WHY HAVE THESE PEOPLE BEEN ABLE TO DO THIS FOR THIS LONG?


ANSWER

1.GOOGLE SEARCH THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT AND SECTION 1302 .

2.OR GOOGLE SEARCH PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION,THIS MEANS YOU AS A DISENROLLED OR MORATORIUM PERSON(S)
CANNOT SUE THE TRIBE AS A PRIVATE PERSON!

3.A FEDERAL LAWYER WITH TIES TO THE FEDERAL JUSTICE SYSTEM TOLD ME THIS AND IT IS TRUE.

4.LET ME MAKE IT CLEAR ,JOHN SMITH IS FROM RUSSIA AND A MEMBER OF PECHANGA AND WE ALL KNOW HE IS FAKE,SMITH LOADS UP HIS TRUNK FULL OF MONEY FROM THE CASINO IN FRONT OF TEN OF US AND LAUGHS AND SAYS (SCREW YOU I NO YOUR REAL AND I AM FAKE HAHA)AND LEAVES THE AREA,,,,,

WE ARE (PRIVATE PEOPLE )NOT TRIBAL MEMBERS AND HAVE NO (PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION)THE FBI WILL NOT LISTEN TO A PRIVATE PERSON.

CONCLUSION


1.GET CONGRESS TO AMEND THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT(TO ALLOW PRIVATE RIGHT OF ACTION).

2.(THE FEDERAL LAWYER ALSO STATED THIS)TAKE 200 PEOPLE UP THERE AND DEMAMD TO BE ENROLLED.THIS IS A INNTER TRIBAL MEMBERSHIP ISSUE AND THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT HAS NO JURISDICTION OVER THIS MATTER.

THAT,S ABOUT IT GOOGLE SEARCH IT IF YOU DON,T BELIEVE ME.


PONY,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

OH AND YES PECHANGA MEMBERSHIP LET ME GIVE YOU AN EXAMPLE,,,,,,,,


TRUE STORY,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

1.LAURA WASS WITH AIM STORMED THE TABLE MOUNTAIN TRIBE WITH 100 PEOPLE AND THEIR GUARDS PULLED THERE GUNS BUT NOBODY WAS SHOT ,,END RESULT SOME PEOPLE WERE ENROLLED (AND YES ITS NONE OF THE U.S GOVS BUSINESS NOR DO THEY HAVE JURISDICTION TO HEAR CASES FOR GATHING ON TRIBAL TRUST LAND IN ANY FEDERAL OR STATE ITS AN INTER TRIBAL MANNER)!


THATS THE WAY IT IS!

Anonymous said...

SORRY THAT WAS GATHERING ON TRUST LAND,,,,,,,,,,,,,


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Anonymous said...

SORRY THAT WAS AN INNER TRIBAL MATTER (HALF A SLEEP NO GLASSES ON)


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Anonymous said...

Im sorry mr liska maybe in in your next lifetime you will find your real family!

I told you it will cause to much heart ache!

Your family sold you out for a dollar bill,thats the same old child protective service story,I feel for you brother!

Can you blame the meek redman,weak at heart sorry not to disrespect you!

pv

Anonymous said...

None of the US governments business?...then why did the US government give you handouts when you didnt have the Casino?..at that time it was the US governments business to take care of you...what a bunch of garbage...whenever it suits the tribe, its none of the US peoples business...yet in the same breath...there are postings on here about how terrible Obama is because he hasnt done anything...cant have it both ways just because it suits you...either the US has something to say in all matters..or nothing to say in any matters...period.

Anonymous said...

People don't realize that rich tribes like Pechanga still get handouts from the U.S. government in the form of federal funding for the reservation and benefits for individuals.

Anonymous said...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zHv9eL8GhbE

Anonymous said...

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Anonymous said...

The disenrolled use the rios family and pony,look pony has posted private people cannot sue but the disenrolled suddenly lobby congress about what he said?


why did the disenrolled not no this?

you snakes suck!

Anonymous said...

Horse crap we did not use anyone!


(disenrolled member)

Anonymous said...

Who cares you can,t do anything anyway ,have a good life!


(current member)

Anonymous said...

I second that ,they can,t do anything!


(golden warrior) also current member

Anonymous said...

THIS IS JOE LISKA MAGEE

I GOT MY ASS HANDED TO ME IN FEDERAL COURT WHEN NOBODY SHOWED UP,IF YOU WANT ME TO SHOW YOU THE WAY,,,,,I WILL, IF NOT DON,T CALL ME OR POST ABOUT ME OR MY SISTERS OR I WILL STEP ON YOUR WEAK THROATS,,,,,THATS THE PROBLEM WITH DREAMERS THATS ALL THEY DO IS DREAM,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

SO I GOT MY FILIPINA GIRLFRIEND IN COURT WITH ME TELLING HER ABOUT ABUSED PEOPLE BY PECHANGA,,,,,,,,,AND THIS WOMAN STANDS BY MY SIDE (A WOMAN FROM ANOTHER COUNTRY)STANDS STRONG BY MY SIDE (AND NO FRICKING PECHANGA PEOPLE THERE )!

YOU GUYS ARE KILLING ME!

Anonymous said...

Hey Frank I got something I want to fax you in a few days ok,


pony ,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

front street justice,,,,,,,,pony

Anonymous said...

YOU WEAK PEOPLE ,

THE KILL MY FRIEND ROSAS BP AGENT SO WE CHOKE OFF THE BORDER AND THEY TRY TO RUN THE PORT OF ENTRY AND FIVE PEOPLE GET SHOT IN A CAR IN SAN DIEGO,,,,,,YES I WORK DOWN AT THE PORT OF ENTRY AND WORK INTAKE ,,,,,,,TONITES ACTION,,YOU TAKE YOUR HOMELAND SECURITY FOR GRANITE,,,,,,



PONY

Anonymous said...

they kill my friend thats honor,,,,,,,,,,,,,homeland security

Anonymous said...

some girl ask me if she could be an angel,I said humans can,t be angels,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

what happened to pechanga.info?

heard they bought off that site!

easy come easy go!

Anonymous said...

The angel closes his mothers eyes,

the confusion sets in,,,,,they take the baby down the hall,,,,

The mothers dies giving birth,,,

the angel closes her eyes

the baby is given to a white family,,,,,,

lightning crashes the mother opens her eyes ,,,,,,,,,he is born,,,,,they call him ,,,,,,,thunder,,,,,,,,,the rolling thunder chases the wind,,,,,,,in the wind he will find what he is looking for,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

The moment the mother is waiting for comes and goes,,why,,,,I can feel it coming back again,,,like the rollin thunder chasing the wind I can feel it,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

Title 18 section 3771 goggle it I will spell it out for you,,,,,I will led......if you do not believe me how can you follow me?


meekness is that a word?

Anonymous said...

Now we will see how deep the water really is?

Maybe I should ask for federal protection?(wait I work with Homeland Security)

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Anonymous said...

CRIMINAL CHARGES CRIMINAL CHARGES



THIS IS NO JOKE AGAINST TRIBAL COUNCIL MEMBERS AND ENROLLMENT MEMBERS

10-5-09

Anonymous said...

JOE LISKA HAS SERVED FRANK LAWERENCE TRIBAL ATTORNEY A 12 PAGE CRIMINAL COMPLAINT

(WHICH MAY END IN THE ARREST OF ANYONE WHO EXCLUDED HIM OR CONSPIRED AGAINST HIM )

SEE FEDERAL LAW 241 (CONSPIRACY AGAINST RIGHTS)THIS SECTION ALLOWS A PRIVATE PERSON TO CHARGE PEOPLE AND IF CONVICTED YOU CAN DO TEN YEARS IN PRISON!


THIS IS NO JOKE GOGGLE SEARCH 241 DO NOT LET MARK OR BUTCH DETERMINE IF YOU GO TO PRISON!!!!!


JOE LISKA IS TRYING TO PLEA BARGIN WITH TRIBAL ATTORNEYS BUT ONCE HE SIGNS THE COMPLAINT US ATTORNEYS OFFICE WILL NOT STOP UNTIL THEY CONVICT THESE PEOPLE!!!!!!!!!

THIS IS NO JOKE THE COMPLAINT WAS FAXED AT 12 NOON TODAY!!!!

YOU CAN DO 10 YEARS IN FEDERAL PRISON FOR THIS CHARGE!!!!

Anonymous said...

JOE LISKA BASES HIS CASE ON ANOTHER CASE WHICH MADE THE INDIAN CIVIL RIGHTS ACT CRIMINAL!


DO NOT LET A FEW PEOPLE DOWN PLAY THIS COMPLAINT ,,,,YOU CAN DO PRISON TIME,,,,,,,

Anonymous said...

fe fi fo fum I smell the blood of an irish/indian

Anonymous said...

the confusion sets in,,,,,us gov must uphold his complaint,,,,,

THE ANGEL OPENS HER EYES,,,,,

Anonymous said...

TO MY SON AND DAUGHTER THANK YOU FOR STAYING AWAY FROM THAT PLACE,,,,


ONE DAY WE WILL ALL BE TOGETHER!

Anonymous said...

I HAVE FORCED MY WHITE BROTHERS OR RED BROTHERS TO END ME EITHER WAY IT WILL BE A GOOD ENDING!

front street

Anonymous said...

THIS WOMAN WAS DYING IN THE HOSPITAL THE OTHER NIGHT WHILE I WAS WATCHING THIS BORDER PATROL DETAINEE ,AT SCRIPPS CHULA VISTA ,

SAD HER 74 YEAR OLD HUSBAND LOOKED AT ME AS IF I COULD SAVE HIS WIFE,I FELT WEAK,I COULD FEEL HIS PAIN,,,,,,,,(WHO THE FRICK AM I)

THE WOMAN DIED THE NURSE TOLD THE OLD MAN WE ARE NEVER READY TO SAY GOOD BYE!


CITY OF ANGELS

Anonymous said...

god damn such passion what a waste,,,,,,,,,,,



pv